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[Optimusdouche]

except for the fact that pc will just be able to make the gap larger again in the future, so..... .
You're not making any sense at all

Wow, you guys keep missing the point so massively that it's really funny you guys are getting so emotional. It's really ironic too you would say this.

Let's go over this one more time. Slowly.

The gap between the power of PS4k and PC is smaller than the gap between PS4 and PC, regardless of the increasing power of PC. What exactly is so hard to understand about this? Please never use the word sense again.

And please, guys, go ahead and keep nitpicking words, while ignoring the massively obvious points every single time. It tells me all I need to know.

 

[NolbertoS]

This. Sorry OP, but the PS4K is actually gonna drive gamers back to PC. Same with Xbox 1.5. PC gaming is gonna get a whole lot bigger and better and to upgrade. Console gaming is on the down trend now

 

[CJVaughn]

Wow, you guys keep missing the point so massively that it's really funny you guys are getting so emotional. It's really ironic too you would say this.

Let's go over this one more time. Slowly.

The gap between the power of PS4k and PC is smaller than the gap between PS4 and PC, regardless of the increasing power of PC. What exactly is so hard to understand about this? Please never use the word sense again. You are not allowed.

But please, guys, go ahead and keep nitpicking words, while ignoring the massively obvious points every single time. It tells me all I need to know.

Do you have any proof to back up your statements? If not, then its just hot air

 

[K.Jack]

Need an Nvidia exec to get caught on camera laughing, so I can drive by post it in threads such as these.

 

[kcxiv]

This. Sorry OP, but the PS4K is actually gonna drive gamers back to PC. Same with Xbox 1.5. PC gaming is gonna get a whole lot bigger and better and to upgrade. Console gaming is on the down trend now

I don't think so until PC gaming can get a hold of cheaters consoles will still be around. PC cheating is way way way out of control. Only time you can play semi legit is if you join pro leagues.

 

[CJVaughn]

I don't think so u til PC gaming can get a hold of cheaters consoles will still be around. PC cheating is way way way out of control. Only time you can play semi legit is if you join pro leagues.

I agree, I tried to hop on Diablo 3 the other day and there were cheaters fucking everywhere. Oh wait, that was on console, woops.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

nah. sounds like a mass exodus to PC gaming.

Spoiler

Don't listen to me.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

GFlops per cm2 really? That's one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard, we all know that it's GFlops per m2, if you're not even going to bother to go with S.I. units how is anyone suppose to take your post seriously.

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[MK_768]

LOL! It's funny when people are unable to make any points, they resort to thinking they can impeach me because of my handle. Absolutely bizarre and nonsensical. You read some strange things on gaf, thats for sure. " Look at his name! You can't trust him."

I'm glad you have not been able to address or contradict my points. In the end that is the only victory on Gaf that matters.

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I was making two separate points which I did not make clear. First off, your username makes it seem like you're a douche. Second, your posts here seem trollish therefore it's a waste of time debating with you.

So it's not that I'm unable to address or contradict your points, Mr. knowitall. It's that I wouldn't dare waste my time doing so regarding this topic.

 

[kcxiv]

I agree, I tried to hop on Diablo 3 the other day and there were cheaters fucking everywhere. Oh wait, that was on console, woops.

There are far less cheaters on consoles then PC gaming. PC gaming is just buying a cheat and your good to go. Consoles are muchmore difficult to do.

 

[CJVaughn]

There are far less cheaters on consoles then PC gaming. PC gaming is just buying a cheat and your good to go. Consoles are muchmore difficult to do.

Do you have proof to back up that hyperbole?

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

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[diaspora]

This is pretty much the nail in the coffin, PC gamers have been propped up by enthusiast but these days are limited, it's known that PC gamers want the best and they can get it right now, but when you notice a console that only costs $500 is more powerful than your $1500 machine you know it's not worth it any more.

In fact according to NeoGAF PC gamers themselves to beat the the PS4K if the leaked specs are true you are looking around to spend $1870 dollars:


How any gamer can justify this is insane. to put it into perspective to recoup costs of buying a 4k pc with cheaper PC games with 'average' savings of $15 for PC compared to PS4 it would take over 70 games to re-coup your initial investment that means spending over $3000 dollars on games to make pc gaming worth it.

Also consider the specs, we are looking at around 4000 GFlops to play 4k games:

PS4K = 2292.3 cm2
PC = 7698 cm2

so...

PS4K = 1.74GFlops per cm2
PC = 0.519615485 GFlops per cm2

PC gamers will need to spend triple the amount to get a 1/3 of the cm2 performance of the PS4K.


While the PC platform slowly starts to rot with SteamOS, Windows Store and other 3rd parties trying to fragment it with what agenda they have, Sony have been smart and took the best parts of the PC and made it so it works such as more powerful hardware, X86, true backwards compatibility and a robust and easy way to play and buy games.

Consoles beat the PC's at their own game, lets be honest here. a 4k box for less than $500 is virtually impossible for PC's to catch up with and with optimisation of the x86 on the PS4, Sony have done what the PC gaming community have been trying to achieve in the last twenty years - to have a platform that flows well with backward compatibility and being able to upgrade the hardware with no problems.

The GOAT

 

[Lashley]

LOL! It's funny when people are unable to make any points, they resort to thinking they can impeach me because of my handle. Absolutely bizarre and nonsensical. You read some strange things on gaf, thats for sure. " Look at his name! You can't trust him."

I'm glad you have not been able to address or contradict my points. In the end that is the only victory on Gaf that matters.



Anybody could be chief. Not exactly a meaningful comment without context, proof, or an explanation.

No victory on gaf matters.

 

[CaptainGyro]

Wow, you guys keep missing the point so massively that it's really funny you guys are getting so emotional. It's really ironic too you would say this.

Let's go over this one more time. Slowly.

The gap between the power of PS4k and PC is smaller than the gap between PS4 and PC, regardless of the increasing power of PC. What exactly is so hard to understand about this? Please never use the word sense again. You are not allowed.

But, go ahead and keep nitpicking words, while ignoring the massively obvious points every single time.

No kidding it's smaller right now. So? That's the way it's always gone with newer consoles, and pc gaming has been just fine. A pc will also be able to increase the gap again, so why will pc gaming suddenly suffer?

 

[Optimusdouche]

Do you have any proof to back up your statements? If not, then its just hot air

The gap between a more powerful PS4 and PC is smaller than the gap between a normal PS4 and PC. I don't know what proof has to do with anything. That is merely an obviously factual statement, that a lot of people are conveniently ignoring to prop up their illogical arguments.

Its great people are anecdotally claiming they will become PC gamers. But it's foolhardy to impose your own insular experience onto the whole industry gamers. Fact is, every single sound conclusion says this will lead to more people becoming console gamers not the other way around.

" I'm angry I won't have the best console! I will become a PC gamer! Console gaming is dead because I am leaving it!" Not how it works. Your insular single experience doesn't mean anything and is not proof of anything, no matter how many times you guys repeat your own personal feelings.

 

[CaptainGyro]

I dk wtf is going with these double posts

 

[CaptainGyro]

goddamn it dp when it was supposed to be an edit

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

PC vs console threads rarely fail to deliver.

This one delivered.

I'm a PC gamer.

I don't think I've ever cared about gaming at 4k resolution. I've never bought the very best PC hardware. I am not a PC gamer because the best exists on PC.

Now obviously PS4K won't beat the best that PC gaming has to offer anyway. But the people claiming that all PC gaming is held up by PC enthusiasts who want the best... are severely out of touch. Most people I know use mid tier hardware. And I am just guessing but, that mid tier hardware probably will still be better than the next sony console. If it isn't just more powerful, than it's still not going to appeal to me or them, because there are just too many other things that separate PC above playstation in our eyes.

 

[kcxiv]

Do you have proof to back up that hyperbole?

Proof is in playing the games. I play both PC and consoles. I double dip on games alot and you can just feel the difference when playing. People on PC blatantly hack and give 0 fucks. I don't see that on console gaming much.

Been a gamer since about 1980. I've been though it all. I don't know if you game on console and PC but there is a reason alot of games die fast because of cheating. Go to sub reddit of games and all yoiu see is people bitching about hackers on the PC version Don't see people bitching about console hackers much.

 

[Lashley]

The gap between a more powerful PS4 and PC is smaller than the gap between a normal PS4 and PC. I don't know what proof has to do with anything. That is merely an obviously factual statement, that a lot of people are conveniently ignoring to prop up their illogical arguments.

Its great people are anecdotally claiming they will become PC gamers. But it's foolhardy to impose your own insular experience onto the whole industry gamers. Fact is, every single sound conclusion says this will lead to more people becoming console gamers not the other way around.

" I'm angry I won't have the best console! I will become a PC gamer! Console gaming is dead because I am leaving it!" Not how it works. Your insular single experience doesn't mean anything and is not proof of anything, no matter how many times you guys repeat your own personal feelings.

Err, the gap is smaller every time a new console is released. It's never affected PC gaming before.

What is your point?

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

edit: Yeah sorry, English is obviously not your first language. My bad.

 

[CJVaughn]

The gap between a more powerful PS4 and PC is smaller than the gap between a normal PS4 and PC. I don't know what proof has to do with anything. That is merely an obviously factual statement, that a lot of people are conveniently ignoring to prop up their illogical arguments.

You would really need to specify 'PC' if you want to use that argument. If you are saying that the gap between PS4-Current PC is greater than Future PS4K-Current PC, then you may have a point. But, by the time PS4K comes out the power of a Current PC is going to be greater, so youd have to compare PS4-Current PC to Future PS4K-Future PC, and if decades of technological advancement are any proof (hint: they are) than the gap is likely to stay roughly the same for console hardware cost reasons.

tl;dr: You can't compare future console tech to current PC tech without taking into account that PC tech will also improve in the future as well

 

[Tizoc]

Why is this thread still open?

 

[CJVaughn]

Proof is in playing the games. I play both PC and consoles. I double dip on games alot and you can just feel the difference when playing. People on PC blatantly hack and give 0 fucks. I don't see that on console gaming much.

Been a gamer since about 1980. I've been though it all. I don't know if you game on console and PC but there is a reason alot of games die fast because of cheating. Go to sub reddit of games and all yoiu see is people bitching about hackers on the PC version Don't see people bitching about console hackers much.

Do you have any examples of the games you see this on? I'm legitimately curious

 

[ArtHands]

PC vs console threads rarely fail to deliver.

This one delivered.

I'm a PC gamer.

I don't think I've ever cared about gaming at 4k resolution. I've never bought the very best PC hardware. I am not a PC gamer because the best exists on PC.

Now obviously PS4K won't beat the best that PC gaming has to offer anyway. But the people claiming that all PC gaming is held up by PC enthusiasts who want the best... are severely out of touch. Most people I know use mid tier hardware. And I am just guessing but, that mid tier hardware probably will still be better than the next sony console. If it isn't just more powerful, than it's still not going to appeal to me or them, because there are just too many other things that separate PC above playstation in our eyes.

Well yah. PC gamers play mainly on PC because they enjoy the benefits from the open nature of the platforms, with higher fidelity as one of the benefits.

On Sony's side, they are upgrading the PS4 earlier to keep up with the power of a mid range PC, but its consumers ain't willing to follow because they dont want to buy another full priced PS4 to enjoy the latest games. This makes PC more attractive because if they find the need to spend fee hundred bucks so often, they might as well bite the bullet and get a PC where the upkeep cost wil be cheaper, and they can reap the benefits of PC gaming and access to an entirely different library. They can upgrade their pc and playstation every few years alternative and enjoy the best of both world, as compare to upgrading a playstation every few years.

 

[Micael]

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Think the relevant part to have been bolded really should have been the lack of S.I. units, it's all about those gflop standard m2 units, how can you even calculate the bandwidth if you are multiplying cm2 by newtons, it makes no sense.

Spoiler

Clearly my initial post was too subtle, or we got to a point where no one knows who is joking and who isn't.

 

[CJVaughn]

Think the relevant part to have been bolded really should have been the lack of S.I. units, it's all about those gflop standard m2 units, how can you even calculate the bandwidth if you are multiplying cm2 by newtons, it makes no sense.

Spoiler

Clearly my initial post was too subtle, or we got to a point where no one knows who is joking and who isn't.

Damn, so does this mean a full tower case actually has less GFLOPS/m2 than a mid tower case?

 

[Machspeed007]

As a PC gamer (Steam Controller + Steam Link is the only console I will ever need for a long time) I will still probably get a PS4K. As a 4K bluray player.

 

[Optimusdouche]

You would really need to specify 'PC' if you want to use that argument. If you are saying that the gap between PS4-Current PC is greater than Future PS4K-Current PC, then you may have a point. But, by the time PS4K comes out the power of a Current PC is going to be greater, so youd have to compare PS4-Current PC to Future PS4K-Future PC, and if decades of technological advancement are any proof (hint: they are) than the gap is likely to stay roughly the same for console hardware cost reasons.

tl;dr: You can't compare future console tech to current PC tech without taking into account that PC tech will also improve in the future as well

Not really chief. We are talking about PS4 and PS4k, relative to the PC market. At any single given point in time, any single PC gaming rig, the PS4k will alway be closer to it. Newer console technology, more frequently, means the graphical superiority of PCs is smaller, than it would be otherwise.

It's genuinely that simple. A very simple, obvious and basic thing I said, you guys are trying to complicate and make messy for no real reason other than merely to contradict.

I think we all know PC will continue to grow in power. It doesn't affect the argument either way. It's not going to kill the PC market. And the effect is likely to be mild, but if there is an effect at all, it's going to be in favor of console. But I am sure some gafer will tell me I am wrong, because he is planning on getting a PC and abandoning console, and the entire industry clearly will follow the lead of small group of powerful and influential gafers.

 

[HariKari]

Proof is in playing the games. I play both PC and consoles. I double dip on games alot and you can just feel the difference when playing. People on PC blatantly hack and give 0 fucks. I don't see that on console gaming much.

What games recently?

 

[diablos991]

This helps PC gaming more than anything.

Now is PC players will have higher fidelity options in the shifty ports.

Feel bad for those console gamers without a PC though. 2 year console life cycles are going to suck hard. Cost of gaming just went up!

 

[Astery]

lol no.
I would just leave console gaming, diverting the money of buying new iteration(s) of closed platform hardware to PC hardware, which does not limit to gaming or a useless "media center".

 

[SneakyStephan]

It's not modular

It's not upgradeable

It's not an open platform

It doesn't support modding or ini edits

It doesn't support k/m or other input methods

It doesn't play pc games

You can't run emulators on it

It doesn't have 20 years of backward compatibility, nor is there any guarantee of forward compatibility (will it play ps5 games, will its games work on ps5?)

You cant play at the framerate you want (developer decides for you)

You can't turn off settings like CA, blur, film grain etc except in those very rare cases where the developer gives you the option

Oh and ofc you still have to pay for multiplayer



If there was a dial to signify how closely a playstation resembles a PC, the ps4k would not even move the needle.


They still fill completely different niches and serve completely different audiences

Ask again in 10 years if UWA is successful and the answer would be completely different, but until then, no.

 

[Akoi]

If the console cycles become shorter more people will flock to PC since the days of buying a console and being set for 6+ years will be over.

The only reason I have a PS4 is for Sony exclusives, I do all/most of my multiplat gaming on PC.(not saying everyone does this)

 

[The Shadow]

Sweet merciful jesus....I haven't seen posts like that since the dawn of the PS2/Xbox/GC generation.

Brings me back. Ah, memories.

 

[CaptainGyro]

Not really chief. We are talking about PS4 and PS4k, relative to the PC market. At any single given point in time, any single PC gaming rig, the PS4k will alway be closer to it. Newer console technology, more frequently, means the graphical superiority of PCs is smaller, than it would be otherwise.

It's genuinely that simple. A very simple, obvious and basic thing I said, you guys are trying to complicate and make messy for no real reason other than merely to contradict.

I think we all know PC will continue to grow in power. It doesn't affect the argument either way. It's not going to kill the PC market. And the effect is likely to be mild, but if there is an effect at all, it's going to be in favor of console. But I am sure some gafer will tell me I am wrong, because he is planning on getting a PC and abandoning console, and the entire industry clearly will follow the lead of small group of powerful and influential gafers.

So now it's gone from a "massive threat" "pretty much guaranteed to hurt pc gaming" and "this is bad news for pc gaming " to just "the effect is likely to be mild".

 

[Chobel]

 

[SmartBase]

Different market segments.

The people who actually want consoles outside of gaming forums like this, do so because they either don't have the room or space to dedicate to a office for a PC. Or they simply don't want to go into adding a new GPU, CPU or anything.

For as easy as Steam is, it is still insanely scary for normal people if it is anything beyond downloading a app or putting in a disc.

It's totally different markets.

Should've ended the thread here, there's not much more to it.

 

[MogCakes]

pc gaming is doomed. As we speak, a mass exodus is upon pc loyalists. It:s only a matter of time until PS4K dominates pc gaming entirely.

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

LOL@ this question

 

[Finaika]

I'm worried, will my 6700K + 980Ti PC be made obsolete by the PS4K?

 

[Daingurse]

I'm worried, will my 6700K + 980Ti PC be made obsolete by the PS4K?

I'm sorry, but the answer to that question is yes. So I'll be more than happy to take that obsolete hardware off your hands.

 

[GHG]

I'm worried, will my 6700K + 980Ti PC be made obsolete by the PS4K?

Yes. Everyone knows the PS4 was catching up to the PC and the power gap was closing through increased coding to the metal. Now that the PS4K is coming it's all over for the PC. Nvidia might as well shut up shop.

 

[KonradLaw]

Ultra PC elite overlords won't be phased. But what about them entry level PC gaming poors?

Those people will just continue playing on whatever PC they've got. Idea of spending a lot of money to get a console, which is a machine solely for playing games, is completely alien to them. And the fact that Sony will be releasing more powerful units frequently will only make them less likely to ever bother with consoles, as it will create the impressions that suddenly console gaming got a lot more expensive hobby.

 

[big_z]

the only thing ps4k is a threat to is sony and the playstation brand.

the phone like hardware upgrade cycle could really hurt console gaming if the audience doesn't take to it. Microsoft has a better chance of doing it right since xbox live is becoming unified with pc. this allows the hardcore who need it all to play xbox on pc and the more casual audience who don't give a fuck can get an out of the box ready console.

with sony on the other hand youre stuck replacing your console if you want to keep up.

 

[sleepykyo]

The exact opposite actually. PC has never looked more attractive.

This is my take on it. With such short cycles consumers might as well switch to pcs/steam boxes.

 

[Grassy]

I'm worried, will my 6700K + 980Ti PC be made obsolete by the PS4K?

You should be straight-up motherfucking concerned. May as well throw that shitty PC in the dumpster m8. I've got two 980Ti's and I'm about to go bury them in my backyard.

RIP.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

You should be straight-up motherfucking concerned. May as well throw that shitty PC in the dumpster m8. I've got two 980Ti's and I'm about to go bury them in my backyard.

RIP.

You're burying those together, right? You want them to have the best performance in the afterlife and SLI is the only right way to send them off.

 

[The Spoony Hou]

Just wait until they announce PC2, Sony is doomed.

That's about the best way to reply to the OP.