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Giant Bomb Vive stream | What a Time to Be a Vive!
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tryagainlater
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Man, VR seems like a colossal waste of money right now. Maybe in a few years when there's some great games for it and the price comes down. Still enjoyed the stream though.
That'll be a good month of launch streams I'm sure. PSVR stream, NX stream,
PS4K stream
ratcliffja
Member
I think Jeff's cynicism is mostly due to the infeasibility of the set-up. If that wasn't an issue, and somebody was willing to pay that money for an early platform, then that person would likely have a very positive experience overall. The Oculus has a weaker lineup so far and doesn't yet have hand motion controls, but it is also $200 cheaper and doesn't require a lot of room. Personally, I'm probably going to wait a while until the price comes down since I don't have a ton of extra money to spend.
Not a bad idea at all. By gen 2 there will be a ton of cool software for the Vive. Personally I'm a crazy person who married a crazy person so my wife ordered us a Vive (she also surprised me with a DK2 and GearVR over the last year and a half). We'll end up with a PSVR certainly, but for now I can't wait for the Vive to get here. So fucking pumped! Got a May ship date though so now we play the waiting game...
Sleeping Lesson
Member
Oh totally. While most of the Vive games seem gimmicky and shallow, they're totally beside the point for me. I just want weird experiences and to be in fantastical worlds.
bigwinnerx
Member
This is where I'm at.
I may add one of the mini golf games. I have a 9 foot by 9 foot space in my office that I have cleared out and ready to use and I'm not just buying for myself, I have 2 elementary school age kids that I want to try it.
I'm older, space isn't much of an issue, and I'm into the tech, so, I can't wait. I also really love how especially the Vive just looks like an IRAD project.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Depends on what you're looking for.
Traditional, AAA games? Yeah, definitely.
Interested to see how VR is developing as more people get their hands on it? I'm super into that.
I agree with their final words. Space is going to be an issue for many people, myself included. My office, where my PC is located, is small. If I remove the chairs I just have about the minimum required available. I have larger rooms, but I'd rather not move the PC back and forth every single time I want to play a larger roomscale game. It's especially a hassle because of the lighthouses that need to be at a certain height, and will likely be mounted in my tiny office.
Regardless, I'm 100% on board with the Vive. I will no doubt move the PC to one of the larger rooms from time to time to play roomscale games. Just not very often. When it's in my office, I'll have a great headset for seated and standing experiences.
I'm an enthusiast, however, and understand the price/space concerns are very real for many other users.
Regardless, I'm 100% on board with the Vive. I will no doubt move the PC to one of the larger rooms from time to time to play roomscale games. Just not very often. When it's in my office, I'll have a great headset for seated and standing experiences.
I'm an enthusiast, however, and understand the price/space concerns are very real for many other users.
That's kind of how I feel. It does kind of suck that we won't have that AAA game for VR (whatever that may be). I just hope we have a steady stream of cool experiences for now.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Watching this also made me gobsmacked at how much oculus has dropped the ball.
Based off of how many developers are releasing stuff at launch I think we'll most certainly see a steady stream of games of increasing quality and scope. That's just the nature of a hardware launch coupled with new technology.
I find it super weird that anyone could be surprised by the lack of AAA games. It's so obviously not the time for those kinds of games to be made yet. VR is still super early and being released now for enthusiasts. The tech is there but the install base and design language isn't. HTC/Valve and Oculus never expected mass adoption this year. If AAA is what you're looking for then look at the PSVR for more complete, larger experiences, but I still wouldn't expect much of anything AAA for PSVR for another year or so past its launch.
tryagainlater
Member
If that's what you're into, I guess I can understand. It just seems so ludicrously expensive right now. But then again, I'm a cheap fucking bastard so I say that about most things.
This was my big takeaway. I don't think the room-scale stuff will end up being a big deal because of the space requirements, but the motion controls are huge.
That said I'm still futilely checking my email and credit card account hourly hoping for some kind of movement from Oculus or HTC, I don't care which at this point.
Felix Lighter
Member
I am in the same boat.
Im like 3 hours in and this stream is magnitudes more positive than the other one was. Only reason they probably werent as positive was they were tired by the end. There was a lot more genuine reactions of people being impressed during this stream.
chris121580
Member
Really enjoyed the stream today and as cool as the technology looks, I don't have a good enough video card for either VR system so I'm just going to wait for the PSVR. It doesn't sound like there are any must have games right now anyway although Job Simulator looks really cool
DizzyCaffeine
Member
Sorry if this has already been asked, but anyone got a link to an archive of the stream?
DizzyCaffeine
Member
Thank you!
bigwinnerx
Member
TRACERCORE
They were really positive about it at the end when they were talking about it. It's just a lot of hours and when you play everything, it's not all going to be great.
"You and I are very similar, we are both prisoners. You, of this warehouse, and me, of my genius... and also this warehouse."
They played it longer on the Oculus stream, but Jeff didn't do much better. That's why they quit out of it so fast this time around, the audience had already seen Jeff be bad at that game
They played it longer on the Oculus stream, but Jeff didn't do much better. That's why they quit out of it so fast this time around, the audience had already seen Jeff be bad at that game
The game plays much differently with positional controllers than it does on the rift.
It also made them look silly because they were talking about things that are in the game. "This game should have an area where all you do is swinging."
That's, like, the entire rest of the game, beyond the initial tree they were failing at.
giant_frying_pan
Member
They were talking about how they think it`s limiting that you can only grab onto trees, and not everything else in the environment, even though they understood the puzzle aspect of only being able to grab certain objects.
RomanticHeroX
Member
I don't have the money, I don't have the space and I certainly don't have the time, but man I really want a headset to play around with.
No they weren't, that was another conversation they had. They were talking about wishing there would be areas where all you did was swing rather than walk from platforms to platforms and jump.
That is what most of the game is like. The reason the part they were at wasn't like that is because they were still basically in the tutorial level.
BlitzBlake
Member
Jesus these headsets make you look like a complete idiot.. I thought 3D glasses were bad. guess I'll be waiting.. PSVR seems the less idiot looking, what without all the Velcro straps and shit.
| Praxis |
Banned
You literally have lights strapped to your head, I'm not knocking it but it's the dumbest looking out of the three.
It wasn't an extended look of the game, it was a very brief play session to give the viewer a glimpse of the game. They had way too many games to play through to give much time to a game they already played for a bit on the Occulus stream.
Nah, I think you misunderstood that conversation. They were discussing what I said and also that a good compromise would be that there could be some early levels where you could grab onto everything, and later in the game there could be challenges where you only grab onto trees and stuff. Something like that. They weren`t discussing what you`re saying, unless I completely blacked out. They certainly know that the game is all about swinging, I think Brad even mentioned on the Oculus stream that he had seen a video of someone doing that at a high level.
RomanticHeroX
Member
Oh maaaaan, the Job Simulator stuff is so good, especially when Jeff starts playing around with the camera! I would love to see them fool around with this some more.
I read your 'oh maaan' in jeffs voice when he saw the donut create push shirt.
Glitchesarecool
Member
Dude if you care at all about your appearance then you'll want to stay faaaar away from VR.
RomanticHeroX
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if that became a thing I started saying because of Jeff.
I'm trying to imagine why I would care what I looked like while using VR. I'm being totally honest, I can't imagine a scenario where that would matter.
chrominance
Member
A few takeaways from the bits of stream I watched:
1) I was actually surprised by how many "room-scale" games seemed playable with just standing-room space. That is to say that I assumed none of them would be playable by just standing and turning your body, so to see any that allowed this was pretty nice.
2) Same issue with the Oculus Rift launch lineup: way too many one-trick-pony games, retailing for extremely high prices. It's still early days, so maybe someone will come up with a great game built around VR. But this could also just be the second coming of waggle games: a library marked by lots of experimentation at first, but soon falling into the same easy gameplay tropes and a relative lack of new or deep experiences.
Despite the obvious promise, there appear to be some pretty fundamental barriers to widespread VR adoption, including the potential for motion sickness, the limitations imposed by room-scale requirements, and the varying pros and cons of different control schemes. These are all barriers that could be overcome (even room-scale, though for many people it'll never be a viable option in the home), but it's not really clear if publishers will take the time and expend the resources to figure this out or if it'll turn into the Wii/Kinect/Move all over again.
Vive at least has Valve to act as the Nintendo in the Wii analogy, pumping out games that actually take advantage of the hardware and are compelling experiences on their own merits. But Valve's a much smaller outfit than Nintendo and we don't even know what, if any, games they have in development for Vive. Oculus doesn't really have anyone that can be relied on to produce quality VR games. PSVR could surprisingly have the best slate of games available when it launches, but until we get some more details it's premature to say either way.
I'm definitely not saying VR is doomed; it seems like it's here to stay for the most part. Its status as Next Big Thing looks a bit shakier after the past week, though. Some really good games could go a long way towards alleviating that, and I look forward to seeing how things shake out over the coming months. Perhaps more traditional games like Dirt Rally will actually be the saving grace, or maybe it'll be some completely revolutionary new game that would be impossible without VR. Or maybe it'll be Tilt Brush, because that looks pretty sweet and I kind of want to play with it right now.
1) I was actually surprised by how many "room-scale" games seemed playable with just standing-room space. That is to say that I assumed none of them would be playable by just standing and turning your body, so to see any that allowed this was pretty nice.
2) Same issue with the Oculus Rift launch lineup: way too many one-trick-pony games, retailing for extremely high prices. It's still early days, so maybe someone will come up with a great game built around VR. But this could also just be the second coming of waggle games: a library marked by lots of experimentation at first, but soon falling into the same easy gameplay tropes and a relative lack of new or deep experiences.
Despite the obvious promise, there appear to be some pretty fundamental barriers to widespread VR adoption, including the potential for motion sickness, the limitations imposed by room-scale requirements, and the varying pros and cons of different control schemes. These are all barriers that could be overcome (even room-scale, though for many people it'll never be a viable option in the home), but it's not really clear if publishers will take the time and expend the resources to figure this out or if it'll turn into the Wii/Kinect/Move all over again.
Vive at least has Valve to act as the Nintendo in the Wii analogy, pumping out games that actually take advantage of the hardware and are compelling experiences on their own merits. But Valve's a much smaller outfit than Nintendo and we don't even know what, if any, games they have in development for Vive. Oculus doesn't really have anyone that can be relied on to produce quality VR games. PSVR could surprisingly have the best slate of games available when it launches, but until we get some more details it's premature to say either way.
I'm definitely not saying VR is doomed; it seems like it's here to stay for the most part. Its status as Next Big Thing looks a bit shakier after the past week, though. Some really good games could go a long way towards alleviating that, and I look forward to seeing how things shake out over the coming months. Perhaps more traditional games like Dirt Rally will actually be the saving grace, or maybe it'll be some completely revolutionary new game that would be impossible without VR. Or maybe it'll be Tilt Brush, because that looks pretty sweet and I kind of want to play with it right now.
Maybe he plans on dragging his VR setup to Starbucks.
This is where I'm at atm but I think we will see a second Oculus before we see a second Vive whichever comes first the second gen versions will be so much better.
PSVR just seems like the perfect compromise but who knows how impatient I'll be haha!
jabberwocker
Banned
What What What? What nintendo games took advantage of the wii controls? wii sports and metroid. Thats all wii got. The controls were tacted on for like 99% of the wii games or they just shouldnt have been games on the wii anyhow. Shooting stars at crap on mario games and swinging your sword without 1 to 1 matching with zelda was not needed.
chrominance
Member
I suppose that's fair, though Wii Sports was a hell of a game for showing off motion controls, and arguably Nintendo made better use of the Wiimote than other publishers. (Yes, I know about Wii Party and Wii Music. "Better use" doesn't necessarily mean "great use.")
Let me rephrase, then: Nintendo was the only reliable source of critically acclaimed Wii games, so even when the post-launch Wii library felt like a letdown, people could at least say, "there's this Nintendo game coming out and I know that'll be good!" And for the most part, they would be right. (Forget that Wii Party ever existed. And Wii Music.)
Nothing like that seems to exist for any of the VR solutions right now. There's no game anyone can point to and say, "this will be a great game and it's in VR!" Eve Valkyrie was going to be that game for me, but it looks like it's faltered badly, between being a very simplistic dogfighting game and trying to be a free-to-play multiplayer game without really being free to play. Beyond that, I don't really know what the breakout VR hit will look like, and given how expensive these systems are, it's much harder to take the promise of VR gaming on faith than it ever was for motion controls.
jabberwocker
Banned
I think you are right in the fact we are a ways off from mega AAA games right now for VR. But I think this challenges the idea that only AAA are needed. I think you will go alot further with a lot less for now in that scope because there is a whole new way of looking at things literally and physically. This is Mario64 all over. Its all new and just the beginning but simple gameplay that is fun is all you need to get started.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Audio shield and budget cuts look really cool.