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[Thoraxes]

Well, I think the money I'd have to use to get a Neo to probably better enjoy the PSVR I preordered is going to just go to a Vive now. Gonna be more than the cost of a Vive for me to upgrade all this console stuff just to enjoy that.

That is, if and when this all even pans out.

I can deal with this stuff with handhelds cause its half the cost, but when the home consoles do it, I find myself extremely reluctant to jump in again if they're just going to release a new one again in another 2 years.

You guys who are into this though, good for you.

 

[Skinpop]

I hope this will be a disaster for sony.

 

[Dark Cloud]

At the very least we can stop talking about gaming at 4K on consoles now, right?

I don't think that ever was in play.

 

[The Last One]

Ahhh, some of the posts here... The usual GAF overreaction.

What exactly were you expecting? You only have yourself to blame for your personal fan fictions.

People were sadly expecting a scenario where games would run at 30fps in 1080p on PS4 and 60fps in 1080p on PS4K.

 

[Blanquito]

I personally like the

expect more info in the coming weeks

At the end of the article

 

[Brad Grenz]

Wonder if there will be a trade in program. Would seem like most of the people who would want this in the first place would be the early adopters.

It's already running! Take your ps4 to any gamestop or bestbuy and they'll offer you credit today.

 

[GavinGT]

How much extra dev time is it going to require to make games for both specs?

 

[Apoleptica]

Can't wait to actually see some comparisons between games running in NEO mode and base mode, I wonder how big the gap will be. It will also be interesting to see if older games get NEO mode patches.

 

[Pooya]

Square Enix releasing FFXV right on Sep 30 to dodge NEO support. damn. gotta milk that.

 

[sssstententen]

We should commemorate by changing the GAF on the site logo to PS4 for the next 72 hours or something.

EvilLore putting in that branding work.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

I wonder how that "No Exclusives" rule translates when it comes to VR titles. VR games could really benefit from 2x the performance. We could really get some PS4-pretty VR games on the PSVR.

 

[dralla]

This seems like a bad idea all around. It's been proven that consumers don't like to buy inferior versions of consoles. Assuming this is $400 this is essentially a $50 price increase for a PS4. If this was supplanting the current PS4 at the same price it would make sense, but adding another more expensive SKU to the market is crazy.

 

[Insane Metal]

Holy crap, that's a substantial upgrade.

 

[Somnid]

Hmmm...sounds like n3DS where most of it will just go to waste, but perhaps even lamer because there will be no exclusives (I fully expect that stance to change on a whim) and the non-power upgrades don't really matter because it's not portable. Still aligns will my original thought, PS4 isn't getting the VR performance they'd like and they need something to push it further.

 

[SmellyHoundRedux]

Well, this is going to suck. I'll be forced to buy a new system, unless they Sega CD this thing and release an add on that I can slap onto my PS4.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

It's already running! Take your ps4 to any gamestop or bestbuy and they'll offer you credit today.

But it doesn't come out until October at least and that Digimon game is pretty dope.

 

[witness]

Ok fuck it, let's do this Sony and MS. I'll be there day 1 and trade in my old consoles for them, because I'm a fucking sucker. I need to have the latest and greatest.

 

[Deleted member 465307]

Neo is a dope as code name. I hope Square patches FF XV.

Sounds like they have to:

Though every PS4 game released as of October of this year will need to support both the original PS4 and the NEO, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the Neo will release in October. Additionally, games released in the late September window will require a day one patch that updates them to NEO standards.

 

[bananafactory]

Based on what?

Based on history, and common sense? Last gen PS3/360 was the base which is why PCs could run those titles at such high resolutions/framerates. Similarly, why would they target a system that represents like <10% of their userbase when they have 60 million PS4/X1s out there that they need to then struggle to get it to run adequately on.

 

[Netherscourge]

PS4's GPU is a Pitcairn

So, looks like NEO is a Tahiti Pro GPU?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_HD_7000_Series

Somewhere around a Radeon HD 7950 and a Radeon 7970, mixing and matching different clocks and memory bandwidth.

 

[Ishida]

People were sadly expecting a scenario where games would run at 30fps in 1080p on PS4 and 60fps in 1080p on PS4K.

People should stop making stuff up in their heads and then blaming the companies for not meeting their fantasy specs.

 

[mugurumakensei]

The GPU is clocked 111 mhz higher. So if you factor that in you see a close to 4 TF boost?

Factoring in the mhz boost, it's roughly 4.05 TF

 

[Gitaroo]

Extra 512 mb memory available doesn't make any sense, if both systems only have 8 in total. Bandwidth increase doesn't means memory is freed up from OS reservation.

 

[Fredrik]

But why?

As said so many times before by so many others. This is the worst idea ever. Nobody wanted or requested something like this before these rumors started. 40 million users can't be wrong, PS4 is an awesome console. Why anger the original customers by launching an upgrade nobody wanted? This generation will basically end after 3 years for some people or the PS4 generation will have cost them $798 instead of the universally praised $399 Sony announced at the launch.

 

[napata]

3.7 TFLOPS on GCN 1.0.

Wrong it's 4.2 TFLOPS

36 x 64 x 911 x 2 = 4197888

 

[MrCunningham]

Ahhh, some of the posts here... The usual GAF overreaction.

What exactly were you expecting? You only have yourself to blame for your personal fan fictions.

GAF is a victim of its own hype. This seems to be what I expected out of the machine. It's a PS4 with a spec bump to accommodate VR and possibly 4K displays?

 

[Boke1879]

Ahhh, some of the posts here... The usual GAF overreaction.

What exactly were you expecting? You only have yourself to blame for your personal fan fictions.

And the boost isn't even that big enough based on these rumors for 1080p 60fps. If anything you may get more stable performance and other graphical bells and whistles, but people thinking this will replace the OG model have no leg to stand on right now.

 

[Golgo 13]

Okay, a few questions for the programmers or developers here who can answer this -- doesn't this seem like a pretty incremental upgrade? Almost not worth bothering with?

What can we expect out of a game that is 1080p/30FPS on PS4 to function on the Neo? It can't be the same game at 60FPS, can it? There's simply not enough extra power here. Correct me if I'm wrong, I do want to hear just how big of a bump this is. And again, only reply to this question is you know your shit. Very curious to hear how good/bad this is from someone with knowledge.

 

[Hesemonni]

Seems like a marginal improvement. I'm actually disappointed that the slow ass SATA 2 is staying

How do you know this?

 

[paulogy]

When PS4 was first announced, cynics called it the "PS3.5", in part because contrasted with the Xbox One it didn't have a lot of fundamentally new features above the spec update over PS3.

So with this PS4 NEO, might this be the machine they intended PS4 to be from the start but just couldn't get to that crucial $399 pricepoint, so they waited for the components to come down in price?

 

[chromatic9]

Digital Foundry's going to need to recruit more people to do the comparisons :/

Going to need a 21.9 screen for the comparisons soon.

 

[SerTapTap]

Different textures and assets, probably not. But I could see the NEO mode using more sophisticated lighting models, physics, particle effects and impacts to non-essential things like enemy death animations, blood splatter, etc.

With those specs I wouldn't expect res or FPS differences unless we're talking unstable 30 vs 30 (which would be absolutely inappropriate) or 900p vs 1080p (frustrating but not nearly as bad).

Seems more likely we'd see more AF, lighting, stuff like that. Minor improvements.

In that sense I guess it's better than there being a big difference. I still think this is a stupid idea though.

 

[TheXbox]

Congrats to Austin. Giant Bomb doesn't break a story often, but when they do...

 

[Death Metalist]

I don't really get what's terrible. Even if you decide to keep your regular PS4, you are losing absolutely nothing. Those who want PS4k now have that option too.

You can't live your life in a constant state of envy and feeling inadequacy just because you perceive someone else to have a little bit nicer gadgets than you. No matter how far you go in life, there will always be someone with more material wealth. You need to learn contentment or you'll always be miserable.

Well, the problem is when we're talking about the technical specifics of a video game or movie of course I want the way it's meant to be played or seen when it comes to entertainment. I don't care about other people and it isn't even comparable because I'm talking about my entertainment here and I'm sure most of the other people care about having it the way it's meant to be played when it comes to games or seen when it comes to movies(which is why I have shit tons of blurays)

So, it's disappointing seeing Sony doing a combo breaker if you will when it comes to console cycles but I guess it was bound to happen sooner or later.

 

[Magwik]

I personally like the



At the end of the article

E3 is practically weeks away tho >.>

 

[GnawtyDog]

Slippery rope......not like the competition is healthy. NX will have to rock it out the park.

 

[kyser73]

Probably the worst thread I've read in Gaf for not reading the OP.

OT:

Development focussed on the OG unit, so no worries about PoorS4 games.

Neo clearly aimed at Sony devotees who coincidentally are also their target group for PSVR (that from an interview with Shu).

No one loses out unless they're a baby who can't stand the idea of options being available to others, or that someone out there might have something a bit better than they do.

 

[Xyrmellon]

I keep misreading "base mode" as "beast mode" and really think they should call the updated specs that...

 

[Ishida]

GAF is a victim of its own hype. This seems to be what I expected out of the machine. It's a PS4 with a spec bump to accommodate VR and possibly 4K displays?

And the boost isn't even that big enough based on these rumors for 1080p 60fps. If anything you may get more stable performance and other graphical bells and whistles, but people thinking this will replace the OG model have no leg to stand on right now.

It happens all the freakin' time.

And just you wait until Nintendo reveals the NX.

 

[spwolf]

What will people buy instead?

PS3?

 

[LiK]

i'm gonna wait for DF analysis and reviews for NEO enabled stuff before i even bother.

 

[Maybesew]

Please give me a link to pre order this so I can have it day 1

 

[Coffinhal]

Take a look at the cross gen hell that was 2013-2015 and tell me that you would be able to enjoy those games on a PS360.

The gap is not going to be that big but when devs are rarely given time to properly optimise and regularly release games on only TWO platforms which end up having performance issues, I don't know why anyone would expect them to suddenly be given extra time to optimise for weaker hardware when they can just brute force it on the new console. There would be literally no reason for Sony to incentivise otherwise anyway - get people to upgrade to PS4K.

Because 2/3 to 9/10 of the user base has a "normal" PS4 and if it runs like shit shitstorms are coming ? Plus, the PS4 is plenty capable for games today. See Far Cry Primal, The Witness, Battlefront, Firewatch, Ratchet and Clank, soon Uncharted 4.

We could expect the opposite : devs don't care about PS4.5 because extra work on getting steady 60fps or getting 30fps while having better shadows and more particles.

The games from 2013-2016 will have little updates for the PS4.5. Maybe Sony will release a few for Uncharted 4 and other flagships but that's all. So why people want to preorder when we don't know a thing of the differences that'll happen in reality for past games and future ones ?

It's definitely not the same gap as in old-gen vs new-gen.

As for me, I prefer to pay for a new monitor and a new PC where the games will be 2 times better with widescreen options etc.

 

[Toki767]

I hope this will be a disaster for sony.

I really doubt they're going to make a ton of these. Their bread and butter will still be the regular PS4.

 

[213372bu]

This looks like it contradicts the mod certified post we had that broke the PS4K.

 

[ManeKast]

So if games must work on both are we looking at increased framerate @ 1080p on NEO or are we looking at simply 4K versions @ same framerate? If it's the former I'm in. If it's the latter, whatever.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

There was 10x more last gen systems out when we got hit with all the cross-gen games when the PS4/Bone gen began. Take a look at how garbage the last gen versions were optimized.

That is because the PS4\X1 base were more active .
It's the active user base that also matter .
So saying PS4\360 sell 10x times as much is not the full picture.

 

[KillerMan91]

Based on what?

Current userbase of original PS4 and Xbox One = Over 60 million
Current userbase of PS4 NEO and Xbox One 1.5 = 0 units

Then when you factor that current AAA games cost tens of millions to make you get your answer.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Based on history, and common sense? Last gen PS3/360 was the base which is why PCs could run those titles at such high resolutions/framerates. Similarly, why would they target a system that represents like <10% of their userbase when they have 60 million PS4/X1s out there that they need to then struggle to get it to run adequately on.

Current userbase of original PS4 and Xbox One = Over 60 million
Current userbase of PS4 NEO and Xbox One 1.5 = 0 units

Then when you factor that current AAA games cost tens of millions to make you get your answer.

What about all those cross gen titles from a couple of years ago? Did Monolith target the PS3/360 as a base when they released Shadow of Mordor? Titanfall?

 

[chaosblade]

Ahhh, some of the posts here... The usual GAF overreaction.

What exactly were you expecting? You only have yourself to blame for your personal fan fictions.

I didn't really have any expectations but I've been hoping these rumors would be false.