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Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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Good thing i didn't buy the current model yet. I wonder if ND will patch U4 to run at 60fps on the NEO model or if the CPU will be a bottleneck.
It's a typo, PS4 is 176GB/s.
Okay, this sounds a lot more like what I expected.
The commitment to keeping ALL PS4 games compatible on both systems, with only cosmetic upgrades for NEO Mode (and not new gameplay features, or entire games) is key, and I hope they stick with that. Otherwise some of the goodwill they've managed with the PS4 so far may start to erode.
The commitment to keeping ALL PS4 games compatible on both systems, with only cosmetic upgrades for NEO Mode (and not new gameplay features, or entire games) is key, and I hope they stick with that. Otherwise some of the goodwill they've managed with the PS4 so far may start to erode.
Nemesis121
Member
It's 176, typo..
gundamkyoukai
Member
Day 1 .
Since i expect devs to start pushing PS4 even more soon.
Since i expect devs to start pushing PS4 even more soon.
StarBlazers1
Member
2 thoughts.
1. Would the NEO version only really have resolution and framerate improvements. Can't imagine there would be new textures or assets on the same disc.
2. Can't imagine this sentiment lasts more than a year or two. Prices will be down so that most everyone will transition.
1. Would the NEO version only really have resolution and framerate improvements. Can't imagine there would be new textures or assets on the same disc.
2. Can't imagine this sentiment lasts more than a year or two. Prices will be down so that most everyone will transition.
Live Free or Die
Banned
$399. boom there it is baby.
Hellsing321
Member
This is a bad idea and Sony should feel bad for making it.
Hexa
Member
Yes, but not has big as some people expect. PC gaming has online multiplayer with different specs since forever and it's not really a problem.
jackissocool
Member
Fine by me! No NEO exclusive stuff means I ain't got shit to worry about.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Please correct me if Im wrong, but does this mean that its using a revision of the same GPU ?
CosmicQueso
Member
They want to resell us what's already been sold to us.
Like all those Remastered games, but like, this time the Console itself.
There was 10x more last gen systems out when we got hit with all the cross-gen games when the PS4/Bone gen began. Take a look at how garbage the last gen versions were optimized.
MetalGearZed
Member
"Neo Mode" better mean 1080p/60fps for every fucking game! No more bullshit. this should have been the standard for the reg PS4.
Let's be honest about the technology age we live in: in order to get 7-8 years out of one console, it'd have to cost $600-$800 out of the gate, which nobody would buy into. SONY has a business to run, and it won't go to well for the PlayStation division if they try to stretch a $400 piece of tech out for 8 years--that's simply not the world we live in anymore.
My man Austin with the hot scoops.
If this means regular-PS4 games at 30 fps will be 60fps on NEO, I'm on board for sure. But if we're talking "this game that runs kinda shitty on normal PS4s runs at stable 30 on NEO", fuck that. Stable 30 on regular PS4 is not too much to ask for.
If this means regular-PS4 games at 30 fps will be 60fps on NEO, I'm on board for sure. But if we're talking "this game that runs kinda shitty on normal PS4s runs at stable 30 on NEO", fuck that. Stable 30 on regular PS4 is not too much to ask for.
Well, GAF, I'm all in.
Just did the budget; saving $50 a month allows me to purchase it in December (if it releases around then) and I can give my PS4 to my younger brother, who is still rocking a PS3.
I'm not sour about it, not even a little bit. Shit happens. At this point, you'd be better off continuing to enjoy the PS4 or start saving for NEO.
The announcement of NEO should NOT spoil the fun you've had (and will continue to have) with the PS4. Everything eventually gets an upgrade: this is like saying you were mad when you bought a (insert electronic device) and then 2, almost 3 years later, announce the successor to your device.
Pay for it. Or not. Either or, life moves forward.
Just did the budget; saving $50 a month allows me to purchase it in December (if it releases around then) and I can give my PS4 to my younger brother, who is still rocking a PS3.
I'm not sour about it, not even a little bit. Shit happens. At this point, you'd be better off continuing to enjoy the PS4 or start saving for NEO.
The announcement of NEO should NOT spoil the fun you've had (and will continue to have) with the PS4. Everything eventually gets an upgrade: this is like saying you were mad when you bought a (insert electronic device) and then 2, almost 3 years later, announce the successor to your device.
Pay for it. Or not. Either or, life moves forward.
mugurumakensei
Member
Once again, not in any impactful way. Your tv's lag, the difference in internet lag, etc all impact competitive online games much more. The performance difference would have to be 30fps -> 90fps before lag caused by framerate differences impacts competitive performance more than networking.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Honestly, not that big of deal if we get good trade in values!
Netherscourge
Banned
So if the PS4 is 1.84 TFlops, how many TFlops is NEO?
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Not with those specs tbh
nckillthegrimace
Member
So developers "must" support NEO mode? They can't just make a base PS4 game with no modifications and have it run on NEO?
rokkerkory
Member
This is a pretty small bump in performance. How will 1080p60 fair??
High Fry Frow
Member
I'm really underwhelmed by those specs. Perhaps I shouldn't have expected something more substantial considering the price range needs to be kept low.
As others have said, that CPU WILL continue to be a bottleneck.
As others have said, that CPU WILL continue to be a bottleneck.
chrominance
Member
I genuinely think people who want to hold on to their PS4s for a few more years will be fine. Between the significant but ultimately incremental jump in spec, Sony's directive not to split the communities, and the likely hesitation on the part of third-party devs to embrace Neo fully unless and until the console sees significant market penetration, it seems pretty clear that many companies will continue to target the PS4/Xbox One as a primary or first spec. There are too many people with PS4s to simply ignore them with crappy backport-level performance, at least not yet.
I'm still undecided on how long Sony would stick to "no Neo-only games" as a rule. I think Sony will sunset the PS4 before the Neo, which would be an obvious time to stop making games that support the PS4. At the same time, there's a certain value in having all games on the platform work on all devices. I think there's a possibility the rule will be rescinded after a few years, though.
I'm still undecided on how long Sony would stick to "no Neo-only games" as a rule. I think Sony will sunset the PS4 before the Neo, which would be an obvious time to stop making games that support the PS4. At the same time, there's a certain value in having all games on the platform work on all devices. I think there's a possibility the rule will be rescinded after a few years, though.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I doubt this will happen. Don't you need double the power to render twice the frames? It doesn't appear to be a big deal tbh. Seems like a marginal improvement. I'm actually disappointed that the slow ass SATA 2 is staying
I think by "support" they mean it needs to run on the NEO
Glorified G
Member
This doesn't seem to be made for the focus of VR as others had speculated:
Sony seems to be handling this in a very easy, sensible way.
The final true test will be if devs make a great NEO version and shit out an OG PS4 version, but that remains to be seen.
I'll definitely scoop one, but I also had no problems buying a 360/ps3 slim when they came out.
robertsan21
Member
this doesnt sound like the jump I had hoped for.
Graphics guys, how big of a difference in graphics can we expect or is the jump so small that we only will see better frame rate?
Graphics guys, how big of a difference in graphics can we expect or is the jump so small that we only will see better frame rate?
Garrett Hawke
Member
But Sony will incentivise good OG PS4 optimisation so that people can still get a good experience and won't feel the need to upgrade!
A sound business strategy when you have a new product!
bananafactory
Banned
My guess is they wanted to release a new box to push with their 4K TVs and thought "hey we can boost the power a bit while we're at it so why not"
I don't think Jags can even clock that high and be stable without also causing incredible heating. The poor IPC of the Jaguars also gives you very limited returns on just increasing the clockspeed, you'd need to upgrade to the next generation (or two) of the cat family to solve the problems of the Jaguar CPU.
This console is basically an overclocked system. It will have all the same problems as the original too, since it was apparently not addressed at all.
It just exemplifies why this is such a poor decision.
Suzushiiro
Banned
So basically any game coming out fall 2016 or later will at least take *some* advantage of the Neo, though I'd imagine we won't see too much effort put into it unless it's really easy to get significant gains.
Constant amount of RAM seems a little weird, but from what little I know of game dev I'd imagine that the idea there is that it would be difficult to actually utilize more RAM without diverging the PS4 and Neo builds too much? I mean I would imagine that coding your game around varying amounts of GPU/CPU muscle would be way easier than coding your game around varying amounts of RAM, at any rate.
Constant amount of RAM seems a little weird, but from what little I know of game dev I'd imagine that the idea there is that it would be difficult to actually utilize more RAM without diverging the PS4 and Neo builds too much? I mean I would imagine that coding your game around varying amounts of GPU/CPU muscle would be way easier than coding your game around varying amounts of RAM, at any rate.
I don't really get what's terrible. Even if you decide to keep your regular PS4, you are losing absolutely nothing. Those who want PS4k now have that option too.
You can't live your life in a constant state of envy and feeling inadequacy just because you perceive someone else to have a little bit nicer gadgets than you. No matter how far you go in life, there will always be someone with more material wealth. You need to learn contentment or you'll always be miserable.
some of the hyperbole "hey to 15fps for the base game" It's clear based on this the OG PS4 will be the base and the Neo version will have some minor performance upgrades. This is mostly about getting 4k out the door.
Some of you act like your old PS4 is now completely useless.
Some of you act like your old PS4 is now completely useless.
gundamkyoukai
Member
This gen will already be 3 years by the time this systems come out .
Also what are these well optimised titles unless you only counting first party stuff .
As time goes on we were going to see drop in PS4\X1 games either way .
Different textures and assets, probably not. But I could see the NEO mode using more sophisticated lighting models, physics, particle effects and impacts to non-essential things like enemy death animations, blood splatter, etc.
Hexa
Member
Still not powerful enough for 60 fps for most games already unfortunately. More like more solid performance. Definitely enough to push it to 1080p though. However, the GPU/CPU imbalance getting even wider from already pretty wide either means they're pushing GPGPU even harder for traditionally CPU tasks, or they're expecting devs to increase the fidelity of other visual effects over other areas.
I wish it had a better CPU tbh, but I guess they wanted to keep $399.
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