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Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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what a weird statement, if Sony told everyone what they were considering all the time in the future no one would ever buy anything
This Is just the expected slim with a.boost in specs so if you don't buy slims nothings.changed it's literally only.a.positive imo
StrongBlackVine
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I'm expecting PC high and ultra equivalents at locked 30fps for most games. 1080p/60fps for competitive shooters.
gundamkyoukai
Member
This is not a slap in the face .
It is how every other consumer electronics are .
Consoles just finally getting with the times.
Ozzykamikaze
Member
One of the few people that stepped out of line when the crazy pills were being handed out.
Nobody HAS to buy this. I don't understand the outrage.
Should have been a CEO Kaz post XD
Quite possibly.
AstroNut325
Member
Pretty sure you're getting the complete Sony experience with the original PS4. When the PS4K hits $299 in 2-3 years, think about upgrading then. Or wait for the PS5. You're not getting tricked.
Mizzou Gaming
Member
And fortunately I never have to buy a Sony gaming device again, if I don't want to. That will show them.
Wait, would this make me part of the Master Console Race? I might be back in.
ethomaz
Banned
It is not logical.
If you want to have the most compatibility between hardware you stay in the same architecture... not move to a new one.
It is a custom APU and AMD/Sony can shrink to any process they wanted.
You will see PS4's APU in 14/16nm too.
It is logical.
BTW actual architecture in 14/16nm can end cheaper than Polaris.
I'll be curious to see which versions of upcoming games Sony uses to market them. Will we see Horizon and The Last Guardian running on OG PS4 at events with lower frame rate and visuals, or will we see the NEO versions and the game running at optimum performance? People bitch when a game is running on PC and gets downgraded at release, so will we see similar outrage when God of War 4 is demonstrated on PS4k and then we get our first-look at GoW PS4 and it is downgraded by comparison.
I can't help keeping up with the Joneses
Obliterator
Member
Expect all demos and videos to be showing NEO versions unless outright stated. Similarly to how nearly all multi platform titles are advertised with the PC version
The only improved cpu from Amd in that space is puma and it is 100% the same architecture. The difference is design and layout to reduce leakage and enable higher clock speeds at the same power consumption. They call it jaguar but if they are re-designing it for 14nm then I guarantee it will have the improvements to leakage puma had.
I bet it is Polaris, simply because it makes no sense to design and build an older GPU tech at 14nm when there is already one available that is a superset of what you currently have. That is to say it does everything GCN 1.1 does and more.
Always on point.
LOL!
I mean, I have a 4K TV and need a 4K Blu-Ray Player to get the most out of it anyway. I pre-ordered the 4K disc for Deadpool with intent of watching it in 4K one day, so I'm not 100% against the Neo. If anything, I'm pissed the original PS4 will bottleneck the (Dr.) Neo (Cortex... Crash 4K confirmed).
However, I want to see developers be able to take advantage of the Neo's full capabilities, if possible. If that meant using the extra memory to increase a multiplayer mode from 2P split-screen to 4P split-screen, I'd be happy to have those extra kickbacks. I get that this is to make it not be a PS5, but at the same time, Sony could have waited one or two more years to make the PS5.
However, I want to see developers be able to take advantage of the Neo's full capabilities, if possible. If that meant using the extra memory to increase a multiplayer mode from 2P split-screen to 4P split-screen, I'd be happy to have those extra kickbacks. I get that this is to make it not be a PS5, but at the same time, Sony could have waited one or two more years to make the PS5.
joecanada
Member
Read the real upset posts though sony will make a killing on this... Notice the most upset people are raving that Sony is ripping their money right out of their hands, costing them X dollars more, making them buy more stuff!!
At first I thought this would be niche but even the mad people don't even consider keeping their good old ps4....they have to get it or suffer " subpar experience ". I'm keeping my ps4, no issues whatsoever. Doesn't bother me one bit. I think it's great if the ps4 drops in price too for more countries to enjoy.
What if Boyes comes out and says, "We showed this game a long time ago and now we think it's the perfect time to show it again. Reintroducing....Deep Down!" and the game looks bonkers on Neo? HNNNNGGGHH
They are still using Jaguar CPU cores. Those don't even have PC equivalents at 14nm finfet.
No, what you're saying doesn't make sense. If they didn't care about compatibility they'd at least go for Puma cores on the CPU side (even there they'd have to make a custom 14nm design).
This is a "custom" design. They are probably using 14nm,but the fact that Polaris is at 14nm also doesn't make that a guarantee that it is what they're using (especially since it is a different microarchitecture).
Ninja Scooter
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I mean, I could understand if this really was them trying to push towards a phone-esque model, where you are basically releasing a completely new model of PS4 every year, and banking people upgrading every couple of years and leaving prior models obsolete, but that doesn't appear to be what is happening here. The PS4 is still the PS4 and I think Sony wants to keep it that way. This is probably less about existing users upgrading (though I'm sure a portion of the base will) and more about keeping the platform attractive and relevant for new buyers as the years go buy. I just bought a HORI fight stick. It has better buttons than the model released last year. Is that a "slap in the face' to people that bought that fight stick? Or is that just how a majority of consumer products work nowadays? TV models get refreshed with better features every year. Some people just need to be dragged kicking and screaming towards any sort of change though.
True. I can only imagine the reactions when we see, say, something like FFXV running on NEO and looking great, and then a video showing OG version having slowdown and people getting pissed. It could get messy.
YES! I had forgot about dreams. It's incredible that they are going to have more power to play with.
HerroRygar
Member
GiantBomb said:
Well, sounds like FFXV is going to have NEO support then. I wish the console was launching at that time so I could get the best-possible experience, but I'm certainly not above replaying the game if it is at all decent.
ethomaz
Banned
Polaris will add incompatibility.
Sony/NVidia did go to lower shrink using the same tech with RSX.
That is what happen in consoles.
Sony won't pay for a new project that can give issues... they will reuse what they already paid for.
It is a custom project/APU.
katsubento
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That supposed to be some PC Master race thing, Junior?
Get_craycray
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I'm also very curious to see the design of this NEO PS4.
Povertystation 4.
blankempathy
Member
because my og ps1/ps2/ps3 still play games as well as the later models? Yes electronics like phones or pc parts get yearly updates. And if sony releases a ps4.75 then i wont be saying anything because they've clearly decided to follow a model they set forth with the ps4.5. To say that I should have seen this coming because other electronics do it though isn't exactly a valid argument. After all I'm following the rules the industry itself made standard. Yes I can keep my ps4 and still play games but honestly I'd rather get the most money out of it now and wait to see what happens and possibly pick up a ps4kv1/2/3? in the future for a chance to also play 4k blu rays. I want to see where the dust settles before I decide to pick up a new ps4.
If that makes you happy, go for it. Not buying anything from them ever again sends a much stronger message than buying something you don't want to buy, if that's how strongly you feel about this upgrade existing.
Movalpolos
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Dont you get it? PC is the end all be all. If you aren't a PC gamer you're worthless. If it wasn't for consoles PC would get all the exclusives.
/s
The insecure PC gamer shit posts are strong in this thread.
like I said a few pages back, I hope it's very similar to the PSPoor so my wife won't notice when I buy one
Ninja Scooter
Member
Standards change. Expecting an entire industry to be like it was in 1998 is silly.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
If only one version the PS4K version for sure. Always market your best.
AstroNut325
Member
Get_craycray
Banned
PSPoor? That's a thing or is this new?
...Scatter...
Banned
I mean, there are other differences between the two.
First party games.
No driver issues.
You can trade in games.
There are only two specs to code for.
Unified online system (for the most part)
Less cheating
etc.
Anything less would be uncivilized.
Exactly. They are going to use the same tech as OG PS4...but instead of being held back by 28nm...they are going to be using 16nm finfet(14nm..?) and using the added silicon it provides. Its almost too easy and way most cost effective and efficient
Newtype-001
Member
Its funny seeing people lose their minds over this honestly its like some of you guys regressed to five year olds lol.
I woke up at the right time.
I woke up at the right time.
MisterCTwo
Member
I was just about to buy another PS4 so I'm excited to wait.
I can't help but wonder though, could game sales be impacted by this? I wonder if people will say "I want to play <insert game title> but I'll just wait to buy it until I can play it on the Neo" rather than playing it on the PSPoor (love that) first? Similarly, would people be inclined to play games again if they had better framerates and whatnot? So many people who own both systems are going to become their own Eurogamer, Lol. This really is going to change things.
I can't help but wonder though, could game sales be impacted by this? I wonder if people will say "I want to play <insert game title> but I'll just wait to buy it until I can play it on the Neo" rather than playing it on the PSPoor (love that) first? Similarly, would people be inclined to play games again if they had better framerates and whatnot? So many people who own both systems are going to become their own Eurogamer, Lol. This really is going to change things.
Ozzykamikaze
Member
There's always new thing. Nearly every other industry subscribes to yearly new thing x. If anything, people should be happy that this is a mid-generation new thing, that does not make old thing obsolete.
I don't think consoles would work very well with a yearly upgrade the way phones do, so I wouldn't think it's warranted to get worked up over something like that. The way development cycles on console games work, versus how apps/mobile games are developed, are completely different. Flappy Bird wasn't pushing your iPhone to the theoretical limit, and therefore a new iteration won't send future development into a tailspin (even assuming the development on something like that took long enough to outlive a phone cycle.)
This is a mid-generation (relatively) incremental upgrade that will likely have no major impact on people on either side of the fence. I don't see this being a yearly thing (or even bi-yearly) so I don't see any problem with it.
In short, I agree with you.
First, Polaris refers only to GPU side. The GCN architecture improvements do not require any code changes to run games as it would on the CPU side. That's why Sony couldn't move to a ZEN architecture on the CPU as that would break compatibility. Second, if it were using GCN 1.2, that wouldn't explain how 2304 SPs could fit within the power and size limitations of a console. The largest GCN 1.2 mobile GPU AMD makes today is still only 32 CUs (2048 SPs) and it is still a 125W part. This new PS4 is said to be even smaller than the current one which would require the 14nm die shrink and AMD is only building 14nm Polaris parts. The much improved perf/watt is the only way a console can squeeze 2304 SPs onto an APU of equal or smaller size than the current PS4 and still fit within the TDP, noise, and size requirements of the PS4 form factor. It's just common sense.
Also, there is no 36 CU GCN 1.2 part in production but there is already a known 36CU Polaris based GPU in production and that is the Polaris 10. A happy coincidence? I think not.
For some reason I read the article and said they wouldd require late September games to patch a neo mode, and thought "figures, FFXV releases at the beginning of September so it won't get patched as it's optional, I was looking forward to an even better FFXV"
The one time I'm so glad to be wrong about a game coming out later than I thought. I've waited 10 years. I think I'll wait a few more months if it means I'll get to play a better version of the game. (I'm still getting a copy day 1, it'll just be sitting there unopened LOL). Though the whole late september games needing a day 1 patch is making me hope it actually comes out early october.
New, and it already seems like it's gonna stick, unfortunately, so may as well get used to it.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Well thankfully a majority of people that think that way and operate in that kind of crazed hyperbole are a very vocal minority who reside in small dark pockets of the internet and don't have any actual influence or drive the industry in anyway. If it were up to some of them we'd still be playing on cartridge based systems with no online connections.
ethomaz
Banned
I posted this few days ago...
It is the most logical and smart scenario to upgrade the PS4 at low cost (low R&D budget).
If the rumors are true they did go with more CUs and clock than what I guessed.
It is the most logical and smart scenario to upgrade the PS4 at low cost (low R&D budget).
If the rumors are true they did go with more CUs and clock than what I guessed.
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