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[LordOfChaos]

The additoinal 512 MiB in memory budget is curious as they have the same 8GB main RAM - moving more of the OS to a dedicated and updated ARM chip?

 

[Balb]

I dont see why first and second party games wouldnt patch something in.

If only evolution was still working driveclub...

I'm hoping they patch Uncharted 4, at least. Would be nice to have it look/run as nice as possible since it's probably the most anticipated Sony first-party game this year.

 

[Lister]

There won't be any Neo only games just Neo only features, effects, content etc

I'm not too happy about both Sony and MS doing this, Glad to have a PC but feel like my xbone is such a waste.

Yeah I regret my Xbone a lot too.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Time to find a second job motherfuckers... He's back!

You mean third job

 

[lawnchair]

from now on i'm only playing games that i download for free on the internet

 

[Omnistalgic]

Great post and this is pretty much how I feel.
My PS4 is not a primary platform for me and I only bought few games for so far.
It's the first console I even bought close to launch. Usually I just wait a few years, but since I had some spare money I bought one. And in the past, there was usually no downside to buy early. The only changes over time are slim models or a small price cut, but no major changes to the performance. Maybe a bigger HDD but those are replaceable anyway. I don't mind not having a slim model.
But if I had know that now suddenly a better model will be released I would have waited. For me this would have been the better decision. But I never had those facts to make a proper decision. That this is happening was never announced at the time and this is something that wasn't to be expected. So I made a decision based on how past generation worked and now it turns out without any heads-up that this generation suddenly changes the 'rules'.
If Sony had been upfront about it I wouldn't be so disappointed.

Well it still is year 3 after ps4 came out. It's not exactly like early adopters just made this purchase yesterday. I get where you're coming from though. A a gamer who plays mostly on ps4, I'm kinda ready for an upgrade and used my ps4 for thousands of hours already. I'm assuming that's who Sony is targeting here.

 

[Markitron]

They should have named the system after John Wick

I would have bought 10.

Spoiler

That poor dog.

 

[The Artisan]

did you know bayonetta 2 won goty here? do you know how much copy's bayonetta 2 sold? not enough to even break even. main point, common sense will tell that these extreme opinions will not effect the market.

and you think the mixed reaction to the iterative consoles is contained only on gaf? this is the future of the xbone and the Ps4

 

[farisr]

Well it still is year 3 after ps4 came out. It's not exactly like early adopters just made this purchase yesterday. I get where you're coming from though. A a gamer who plays mostly on ps4, I'm kinda ready for an upgrade and used my ps4 for thousands of hours already. I'm assuming that's who Sony is targeting here.

Yeah, I'm an early adopter and I'm totally down for this upgraded version.

 

[Markitron]

and you think the mixed reaction to the iterative consoles is contained only on gaf? this is the future of the xbone and the Ps4

The only significant reactions so far are from the enthusiast fanbase. We won't know the reaction of the larger fanbase until after it's announced, possibly till after it's out.

If every game releases on both, I suspect most people won't really care.

 

[Omnistalgic]

This.

How many devs are going to develop a "Neo" mode for their games? And it wont even boost the performance of current games?

So basically $400 for a slightly more powerful console that nobody actually might use.

This feels like the N64 Expansion Pak all over again.

Or for new PlayStation owners?

If I'm just getting Ps4 in 2017, do I want hardware that has been out for 3 years already or something more up-to-date? If I have a 4K TV in March 2017 with my tax return do I want the ps4 that's better compatible with my TV? Do I want extra features like enhanced theater mode or better media capabilities? All the while, many users can answer no to all of the above and get a regular Ps4 for an even cheaper price.

This could not be a success, or it could be a great one. I dunno...I'm just eager to see how it goes.

 

[potatohead]

Or for new PlayStation owners?

If I'm just getting Ps4 in 2017, do I want hardware that has been out for 3 years already or something more up-to-date? If I have a 4K TV in March 2017 with my tax return do I want the ps4 that's better compatible with my TV? Do I want extra features like enhanced theater mode or better media capabilities? All the while, many users can answer no to all of the above and get a regular Ps4 for an even cheaper price.

This could not be a success, or it could be a great one. I dunno...I'm just eager to see how it goes.

This.

 

[The Artisan]

The only significant reactions so far are from the enthusiast fanbase. We won't know the reaction of the larger fanbase until after it's announced, possibly till after it's out.

If every game releases on both, I suspect most people won't really care.

by enthusiastic do you mean hardcore? i spoke to a friend of mine this weekend who i would classify as casual and he doesn't take lightly to this news either. now of course he ain't the spokesman of everyone who likes to play games casually, but there definitely can be many others that think the same way.

 

[Summer Haze]

from now on i'm only playing games that i download for free on the internet

 

[Omnistalgic]

Yeah, I'm an early adopter and I'm totally down for this upgraded version.

Yea that seems to be the current divide. Multiple platform guys who don't use ps4 as much feel a bit slighted because it's not the traditional cycle they thought it was at time of purchase. And Ps4 only people who are like "my machine is making hella noise! I'll upgrade sure!!"

Lol...interesting gen that's for sure. I actually think it will be successful though. This really isn't a huge bump, even if the CPU specs go up some. I think it can be viewed like other industry's iPhone 6s and iPhone 6. Not sure people will care that much. New owners and hardcore will buy the newer ps4 I think.

Multiple platform holders will be looking for the cheapest way to get a regular Ps4. Life goes on...

 

[dealer-]

This.

How many devs are going to develop a "Neo" mode for their games? And it wont even boost the performance of current games?

So basically $400 for a slightly more powerful console that nobody actually might use.

This feels like the N64 Expansion Pak all over again.

If it's effectively a 970 in a box then it's quite an upgrade. Be interesting to see how this extra GPU grunt is actually used in third party games.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

If it's effectively a 970 in a box then it's quite an upgrade. Be interesting to see how this extra GPU grunt is actually used in third party games.

It's nowhere near 970, its slightly faster than 280x which is 50% slower.

 

[IcyRhythms]

If it's effectively a 970 in a box then it's quite an upgrade. Be interesting to see how this extra GPU grunt is actually used in third party games.

lol

 

[AaronMT86]

So will Sony stop production of the "old" PS4 when this releases?

Probably. I don't think we will see PS4 and "New" PS4 both in retail at the same time, or at least for the long haul.

 

[mephixto]

Those Neo specs is basically what you need to run 1080p games at somewhat stable 60fps with the same graphics options of a normal PS4, I don't expect games using better graphical options than a nomal PS4 unit besides the resolution and fps.

I think some people need to understand that for games like Uncharted 4 or Horizon Zero Dawn doubling fps and with better resolution requieres lot of hardware juice its not a simple think to do.

Also if you are one of those that are very upset when your game drops frames from 30 to middle 20s, dropping from 60fps is a lot lot more noticeable.

 

[Markitron]

by enthusiastic do you mean hardcore? i spoke to a friend of mine this weekend who i would classify as casual and he doesn't take lightly to this news either. now of course he ain't the spokesman of everyone who likes to play games casually, but there definitely can be many others that think the same way.

Enthusiast/Hardcore, basically people who follow gaming news. Most of the casual market don't know about it yet, so it's pointless to make assumptions on what the overall reaction to this console will be. Only a small minority of potential owners are arguing the merits of this upgrade right now, we shouldn't be drawing any conclusions from that.

 

[Lister]

Those Neo specs is basically what you need to run 1080p games at somewhat stable 60fps with the same graphics options than a normal PS4, I don't expect games using better graphical options than a nomal PS4 unit besides the resolution and fps.

I think some people need to understand that for games like Uncharted 4 or Horizon Zero Dawn doubling fps and with better resolution requieres lot of hardware juice its not a simple think to do.

Also if you are one of those that are very upset when your game drops framse from 30 to middle 20s, dropping from 60fps is a lot lot more noticeable.

Pretty much, or at 30 FPS with better graphics.

Again, this is NOT some super charged GTX 970, I say that and know full wlel in the following page there will be atleast 2 people parroting the same thing again...

 

[Mister Megative]

this is the first time a console generation is going to experience an incremental upgrade. when it's fully public we can't predict how the vast majority is going to react. but judging off of everything i've seen is pretty goddamn mixed.

Everything you've seen is based off a gaming forum that comprises about 0.000001% of gamers worldwide. A gaming forum where lots of people shitpost about silly crap they have no intent of following up on, such as "BRO IM DONE WITH CONSOLESZ M8".

The vast majority of the core gaming crowd will Eat. This. Up. Thing will sell like mad, as will the OG PS4 to the wider mass market with that price cut.

 

[Mister Megative]

and you think the mixed reaction to the iterative consoles is contained only on gaf? this is the future of the xbone and the Ps4

Considering this is not common knowledge on the mass market? Yes. I do.

 

[MicSte79]

Everyone I have told about the Neo is very excited for it.

Face it folks, some people love new tech and will buy it. See: iPhone, iPad, gaming PCs, better, newer TVs etc.

 

[Lister]

Everything you've seen is based off a gaming forum that comprises about 0.000001% of gamers worldwide. A gaming forum where lots of people shitpost about silly crap they have no intent of following up on, such as "BRO IM DONE WITH CONSOLESZ M8".

The vast majority of the core gaming crowd will Eat. This. Up. Thing will sell like mad, as will the OG PS4 to the wider mass market with that price cut.

So you admonish him for drawing conclusion from insufficient data points... and then you draw your own conlcusions based on even less data points.

 

[Omnistalgic]

by enthusiastic do you mean hardcore? i spoke to a friend of mine this weekend who i would classify as casual and he doesn't take lightly to this news either. now of course he ain't the spokesman of everyone who likes to play games casually, but there definitely can be many others that think the same way.

Artisan if you have 50 friends all react negative it would mean little. That's really not to be insulting it's just a useless metric. Also you might be presenting the news in a biased way since you yourself dislike the direction.

Regardless though, you have new PS owners. You have day one owners with raggedy ps4, you have tech enthusiast, you have TV enthusiast who want a companion device. We don't know how this will be received in certain regions. Germany, UK, U.S, Japan, Middle East are all different markets with different trends in technology.

You know what people said when they saw Nintendo Wii on forums?

You know how many people still think VR is gonna fail and be worse than 3D TV's?

Just no way of knowing how well this plan will work, and I only posts this because you seem hellbent on finding the faults in this plan and people who agree with you instead of just waiting it out.

 

[amstradcpc]

It's nowhere near 970, its slightly faster than 280x which is 50% slower.

What are Hitman benchs at 1440p with a 970?.

Polaris 10 makes 60fps, I imagine that with high settings.

 

[mephixto]

Pretty much, or at 30 FPS with better graphics.

Again, this is NOT some super charged GTX 970, I say that and know full wlel in the following page there will be atleast 2 people parroting the same thing again...

IMO developers should target 60fps than better IQ just cause its the most tangible difference that you can get from better hardware, AA, AO or shadow quality is more noticeable if you compare two screenshots but most of the user base not gonna do that or don't care. But a smooth and more responsive game is what most people would notice.

 

[Ishida]

So will Sony stop production of the "old" PS4 when this releases?

No. Wow... It's been stated several times that this model will coexist with the current PS4, it will NOT replace it.

 

[Interfectum]

One thing I find interesting about Sony releasing the specs this early, it gives MS a clear target to beat. I wouldn't be surprised if they pull every string they got to best 4K specs.

 

[truth411]

People seem really paranoid about this. They shouldn't be.

/Thread.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Everything you've seen is based off a gaming forum that comprises about 0.000001% of gamers worldwide. A gaming forum where lots of people shitpost about silly crap they have no intent of following up on, such as "BRO IM DONE WITH CONSOLESZ M8".

The vast majority of the core gaming crowd will Eat. This. Up. Thing will sell like mad, as will the OG PS4 to the wider mass market with that price cut.

Agreed. People love shiny new things. Hence why EVERY other tech item that has yearly revisions have no signs of slowing down, and 'skipping a year or two', from TV's, to Home Theater equipment, Computers, Tablets, Phones, etc., etc..

 

[mephixto]

What are Hitman benchs at 1440p with a 970?.

Polaris 10 makes 60fps, I imagine that with high settings.

You are not getting a polaris APU with the PS4 Neo. It's just an upgraded version of the Jaguar.

 

[Obliterator]

lol

I'm not sure why the lol. It's TFlops performance is indeed in line with a 970

 

[Sectorseven]

One thing I find interesting about Sony releasing the specs this early, it gives MS a clear target to beat. I wouldn't be surprised if they pull every string they got to best 4K specs.

They could, but this gen is already lost and I don't think a minor spec improvement will change anything. No one is likely to switch from PS4 to Xbox 1.5.

 

[Mister Megative]

So you admonish him for drawing conclusion from insufficient data points... and then you draw your own conlcusions based on even less data points.

I'm not drawing conclusions based on data points, I'm making a prediction based on a simple understanding of how consumerism works. But thanks.

 

[jroc74]

So will Sony stop production of the "old" PS4 when this releases?

Good question. Even tho this isnt a regular revision like we are used to I wonder this too. Revisions usually replace older models.

The additoinal 512 MiB in memory budget is curious as they have the same 8GB main RAM - moving more of the OS to a dedicated and updated ARM chip?

Curious about this too.

 

[Rodin]

I'm not sure why the lol. It's TFlops performance is indeed in line with a 970

Nvidia and AMD flops are "different", so to speak. A 970 basically matches the 290X, so it's around 5.5 AMD tflops.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

You can already do that now.

I don't really get the logic of some people here.

It's called common sense, if there's already so many games with bad framerate right now, what's going to happen when devs have a more powerful console which requires less optimization?

 

[Danthrax]

Sony pls rename it to the NEO Generationally Advanced Functionality PS4

It'll be great

 

[DeepEnigma]

One thing I find interesting about Sony releasing the specs this early, it gives MS a clear target to beat. I wouldn't be surprised if they pull every string they got to best 4K specs.

Nah, MSFT is already invested in what they are doing, are limited by the same APU supplier, also their ESRAM issue for compatibility with the current Xbox One. They will not scratch what they are doing now, try and find some magical tech to fit their APU with a 3.2x+ the power (over the current Xbox One) to try and beat the PS4K, which will just push their revision back another year or so later.

My prediction if MSFT does this. It will be the same 2.3-2.5 times the power bump over the Xbox One we have now, due to knowing what is available with the APU maker, die size, and the ESRAM issue. That will still put it a good 1TF less in power than the PS4K. We will all find out soon I am sure.

 

[get2sammyb]

They could, but this gen is already lost and I don't think a minor spec improvement will change anything. No one is likely to switch from PS4 to Xbox 1.5.

Plus, one has to remember that both consoles will always be limited by the original model.

 

[mephixto]

I'm not sure why the lol. It's TFlops performance is indeed in line with a 970

AMD's TFlops are not the same of Nvidia's

 

[StarBlazers1]

Anyone think this leak will slow the current gen PS4 sales a little? I see a few posts saying,"Welp, glad I didn't jump on the Base PS4. Will wait now". I'm sure this info will make it out to the mainstream sooner or later.

I've got to imagine Sony won't be too happy with this as they hope Uncharted 4 will drive a lot of HW sales. That number might not be as big as they thought now.

 

[Mediking]

Still don't know how I feel about this. Leaning heavily towards not getting it. At least there won't be any Neo only games.

Be like me. Keep playing your original PS4. Save/keep your money. Don't upgrade until a real PS5 comes.

 

[Timeaisis]

The upgrade doesn't seem too great. Or worthwhile. As long as this is geared towards 4K and doesn't affect game quality on base units, I'll just pass.

However,

Starting in October, every PS4 game is
required to ship with both a “Base Mode” which will run on the currently available PS4 and a “NEO Mode” for use on the new console.

I don't like this one bit.

 

[Obliterator]

Nvidia and AMD flops are "different", so to speak. A 970 basically matches the 290X, so it's around 5.5 AMD tflops.

This is true but it's also in a closed ecosystem. You are looking at probably right around a 970 performance. Maybe slightly under

 

[Hydrargyrus]

If the first games with the NEO option start in October, then the PS4N will be released in September-October, isn't it?

 

[Mister Megative]

Anyone think this leak will slow the current gen PS4 sales a little? I see a few posts saying,"Welp, glad I didn't jump on the Base PS4. Will wait now". I'm sure this info will make it out to the mainstream sooner or later.

I've got to imagine Sony won't be too happy with this as they hope Uncharted 4 will drive a lot of HW sales. That number might not be as big as they thought now.

Nope.

UC4 will sell a metric shit-ton of PS4s.