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[allan-bh]

All makes sense, except Minecraft.
How 53,000k average per day years after release is below expectations?

 

[azertydu91]

I can't imagine the mental gymnastics required to look at Minecraft and say it underperformed. They recently announced they've sold over one hundred million copies.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-02-minecraft-sales-pass-the-astonishing-100m-milestone

Simply by wondering how much of those sales happenned after Ms bought Mojang.If they already were at (and it's a exageration but it serves my point) 99 millions then it hasn't seold well.

And moreover there's a huge diference between predictions and real sales.

Would you consider the X1 sales as catastrophic ? Nope but to MS predictions it should sell twice as much so for microsoft it may seems catastrophic.

It's all a matter of perception.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

All makes sense, except Minecraft.
How 53,000k average per day years after release is below expectations?

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but I bet you anything most of them are the $6 mobile version on android and iOS so the revenue is weak despite 50k a day

 

[SpartanN92]

Lets not get carried away, all he did was the only option they had, reverse course and re-focus on games, you know what every game console platform holder has ever done....

That isn't the only thing he has done. There has been a very large focus on improving the console itself. Stuff like a new UI, Screenshots, and Backwards Compatibility (That's Huge!), the Pro Controller etc.

All you are seeing is game announcements when there is a lot more going.

 

[allan-bh]

Would you consider the X1 sales as catastrophic ? Nope but to MS predictions it should sell twice as much so for microsoft it may seems catastrophic.

It's all a matter of perception.

That seems a little strange too. Xbox One until the end of 2015 was tracking ahead of 360, but Microsoft was projecting the double?

 

[KinofChaos]

That isn't the only thing he has done. There has been a very large focus on improving the console itself. Stuff like a new UI, Screenshots, and Backwards Compatibility (That's Huge!), the Pro Controller etc.

All you are seeing is game announcements when there is a lot more going.

I doubt phil was alone in all those improvements, they were going to happen regardless like any console after launch, they get improved and updated. BC is not HUGE as per the zero impact it has had on sales.

 

[Kathian]

Minecraft likely seen as weak as they were hoping to grab some sort of untapped market - likely abroad and its just not happened as they'd like.

They paid a handsome sum.

 

[Chris1]

I doubt phil was alone in all those improvements, they were going to happen regardless like any console after launch, they get improved and updated.

BC is Phil's doing

 

[SpartanN92]

I somehow doubt Minecraft can be below projections when it's the second highest selling game of all time.

If you ain't first you're last.

 

[dancrane212]

All makes sense, except Minecraft.
How 53,000k average per day years after release is below expectations?

Perhaps it's referring to the Windows 10 version? The same article mentions it performing close to Tomb Raider (2% vs Steam).

 

[Cidd]

Being the best performing console for multiplatforms is certainly a start. I haven't seen anyone saying it'd be a game changer, but it certainly will help.

The majority of consumers couldn't care any less about that. The only people that will buy the Scorpio are people who already own a Xbone, same goes for Neo.

 

[darkinstinct]

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but I bet you anything most of them are the $6 mobile version on android and iOS so the revenue is weak despite 50k a day

40 % are mobile versions, 40 % are console versions, 20 % PC. They gave that info with the 50k a day.

 

[azertydu91]

That seems a little strange too. Xbox One until the end of 2015 was tracking ahead of 360, but Microsoft was projecting the double?

I don't know how they predicted that. I have no idea even more with their original plans.That would semme obvious to anyone but Microsoft.

 

[BleedOrange]

The majority of consumers couldn't care any less about that. The only people that will buy the Scorpio are people who already own a Xbone, same goes for Neo.

I disagree. Being the best place to play multiplats is a large part of why the PS4 is doing so well. It drive the value proposition a lot.

 

[shoreu]

What turn around? Things are the same now as they were 2 years ago sales wise

Better Ui, Frequent updates, More Exclusive games, Crossbuy/play, Larger party chats, Game Streaming, Backwards Compatibility. etc.. the console itself has gotten better under him i wasn't referring to sales.

 

[Peterpan]

If I were Microsoft, I'd put all first party games on Xbox One and PC... Steam included. Do what's best for the games and stop trying to make Xbox One and Windows Store happen.

It's a good thing they don't hire you. Then why pay for games if they don't support your platform. Why not just let third party do that. Come on man.

 

[marmoka]

I don't know if someone else commented already, but I read somewhere that Project Spark didn't sell well, that it was below expectations.

 

[shoreu]

I don't know if someone else commented already, but I read somewhere that Project Spark didn't sell well, that it was below expectations.

i don't know why this is funny but it is lol

 

[crab rangoon]

Not sure how reliable disgruntled ex-employees who were recently laid off are going to be when it comes to some of these claims. Especially the bits about sales projections of other titles they had no connection with. That part reads very much like someone trying to make sure they aren't blamed for not making a great game by trying to say nobody else's work among first party studios was great either.

It's hard to draw conclusions about Halo 5 either way. After all, Halo 4 was presumed DOA too a couple months after it launched but it went on to supposedly be the best selling Halo title iirc. The claim about Windows installs seems rather dubious as well. The fact this person notes they were taken by surprise regarding its existence suggests to me they are venting and may be trying to shit on a platform whose existence required them to suddenly shift their dev plans, hence animosity towards it. Furthermore, Minecraft on Xbox has done incredibly well in sales. It is constantly in the top selling games every NPD month and usually seems to lead on Xbox.

/2cents

 

[inpHilltr8r]

True. A better way of thing to call it would be a PS2 clone, with some inspiration from the 360.

Crazy talk. PS2 was custom cores everywhere with embedded memory all over the place. PS4 is the complete opposite. Standard cores, one flat bank of memory.

 

[RetroDLC]

I expect Minecraft to become profitable eventually, but the forced Windows 10 upgrade fiasco is a huge unavoidable lawsuit waiting to happen.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

The majority of consumers couldn't care any less about that. The only people that will buy the Scorpio are people who already own a Xbone, same goes for Neo.

The majority of consumers are adults who are not stupid and want the best they can get for the money they work hard to earn. I think you are wrong. People didn't switch from 360 to PS4 in droves for Knack and Killzone, they did it because they knew it was a better product for less money, a no brainer as we say.

 

[KinofChaos]

Better Ui, Frequent updates, More Exclusive games, Crossbuy/play, Larger party chats, Game Streaming, Backwards Compatibility. etc.. the console itself has gotten better under him i wasn't referring to sales.

Mu=ch of that happens no matter who is in charge.....like every other console. Doubt Phil was the sole reason behind these. Improvements happen throughout a console gen.

 

[cleveridea]

Look at skyrim and witcher 3 sales figures and think...wouldnt it have been better just to produce a high quality regular RPG fable on X1?

 

[darkinstinct]

Expectations for Win 10 a year ago: 1 billion installed by April 2017 to April 2018. They reached 300 million just now - while giving it away for free and counting Xbox One's.

 

[rje]

Simply by wondering how much of those sales happenned after Ms bought Mojang.If they already were at (and it's a exageration but it serves my point) 99 millions then it hasn't seold well.

And moreover there's a huge diference between predictions and real sales.

Would you consider the X1 sales as catastrophic ? Nope but to MS predictions it should sell twice as much so for microsoft it may seems catastrophic.

It's all a matter of perception.

They were at ~50m sales when the acquisition was announced, and continue to sell over 50k copies a day. The argument that others have made where they're disappointed in the performance of the windows store version makes more sense, because I could see them easily having irrational predictions for it.

 

[icespide]

The majority of consumers couldn't care any less about that. The only people that will buy the Scorpio are people who already own a Xbone, same goes for Neo.

that's a really weird thing to think. most people that will buy a potentially upgraded xbox or PS4 will be people that don't already have one either because they haven't jumped into current gen yet or they have the competitor

certainly plenty of existing owners will upgrade but a lot of people won't

 

[Barack Lesnar]

40 % are mobile versions, 40 % are console versions, 20 % PC. They gave that info with the 50k a day.

Ohh I didn't see that, interesting. So nevermind about my point about mobile.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

LMAO this isn't news MS wants out there a week before E3

I dunno
Given MS's situation this gen I wouldn't be surprised if they have gone on a huge spending spree to secure lots of exclusives
This is a time for MS to be aggressive, to make up for their first party shortcomings, so we may see the results of that next week!

 

[jelly]

I mean it could make things better for them. they have too many things against them a technically sound console is a good bonus to the turn around phil has been pulling.



If this course of action was so obviuous why didn't Mattrick do it. I don't think anyone knew exactly what phil was going to do. He's done a good job on being creative an innovate with is ideas beyond the status quo that your saying he's following and he should be commended if we're being fair.

I give props to Phil for BC, gamer tag revival but mostly everything else is basically duh or reactionary or about time you stopped being backwards greedy gits as an example the Gold restriction for apps such as YouTube, Netflix, IE! Microsoft just got forced into not being twats. Phil has had some time and we will probably see what a new direction under him and Nadella is like with Xbox so no Mattrick excuses now. I do like how Phil is more open to chatting even though it's PR, he at least tries to give something, discusses and is generally easy going.

 

[shoreu]

Mu=ch of that happens no matter who is in charge.....like every other console. Doubt Phil was the sole reason behind these. Improvements happen throughout a console gen.

I don't think any of this PC initiative happens w/o Phil and as another person said Bc was on Phil and these exclusive are also on him.

 

[KinofChaos]

I dunno
Given MS's situation this gen I wouldn't be surprised if they have gone on a huge spending spree to secure lots of exclusives
This is a time for MS to be aggressive, to make up for their first party shortcomings, so we may see the results of that next week!

LOL no....if it were that easy they would have done it ages ago. People say this every year and it never happens.

 

[SpartanN92]

Mu=ch of that happens no matter who is in charge.....like every other console. Doubt Phil was the sole reason behind these. Improvements happen throughout a console gen.

You keep doubling down on this.

If your console is doing well then you only lightly improve it with updates (see PS4)... Xbox was in trouble and they knew they had to update the hell out of it. Phil led that. Could/Would another executive have done that too? Probably. but at the end of the day it's Phil at the wheel and he's doing a good job.

 

[RowdyReverb]

The majority of consumers couldn't care any less about that. The only people that will buy the Scorpio are people who already own a Xbone, same goes for Neo.

People, especially Microsoft, thought the same thing about people buying the XB1 because they had a 360. Look how that turned out.

 

[Hockeymac18]

Big Don absolutely destroyed MS. I mean, seriously. I'm sure he had many on board behind him but jeez what a fucking wrecking ball that keeps on giving even now.

I've always thought paying Notch what MS did was completely ridiculous as well. They got played. Even if making a profit talk about a resource hog and time commitment to turn that transaction deal around.

He did a great job at Zynga too ...

 

[darkinstinct]

Xbox One expectations 2013: One ... billion.

https://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-microsoft-aims-for-1-billion-lifetime-sales-100-million-xbox-360-units/

So funny.

 

[Kayant]

I disagree. Being the best place to play multiplats is a large part of why the PS4 is doing so well. It drive the value proposition a lot.

Maybe in the markets where Xbox brand is strong like UK/US else where I doubt that plays much of a role.

 

[KinofChaos]

I don't think any of this PC initiative happens w/o Phil and as another person said Bc was on Phil and these exclusive are also on him.

The unified PC /console approach comes from the top down, Nadella not Phil.

You keep doubling down on this.

If your console is doing well then you only lightly improve it with updates (see PS4)... Xbox was in trouble and they knew they had to update the hell out of it. Phil led that. Could/Would another executive have done that too? Probably. but at the end of the day it's Phil at the wheel and he's doing a good job.

LOL do you really think console updates are to drive sales? Sony had their updates planned well in advance and said they no longer wanted to have frequent updates as people complained last gen...it has nothing to do wit sales.

 

[prwxv3]

I dunno
Given MS's situation this gen I wouldn't be surprised if they have gone on a huge spending spree to secure lots of exclusives
This is a time for MS to be aggressive, to make up for their first party shortcomings, so we may see the results of that next week!

Oh boy this has been said before every E3 since the xbone was revealed. And it has not been true even once.

 

[shoreu]

The unified PC /console approach comes from the top down, Nadella not Phil.

Where are you getting that from?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Maybe in the markets where Xbox brand is strong like UK/US else where I doubt that plays much of a role.

Agreed.

Playstation brand recognition/appeal worldwide, is the larger part.

 

[BleedOrange]

All makes sense, except Minecraft.
How 53,000k average per day years after release is below expectations?

Yeah I'm betting most of this is just the bitterness of a laid-off employee coming through when asked some unrelated questions.

 

[Netherscourge]

250-300m install base still not enough? That's like 8 times PS4 install base.

And does that includes surfaces and windows phones?

 

[KinofChaos]

Where are you getting that from?

UWP and unified devices is Nadella's initiaitive. Xbox is just another division going that direction because that is the mandate from up top.

http://www.wired.com/2014/07/unified-windows/

 

[BleedOrange]

Maybe in the markets where Xbox brand is strong like UK/US else where I doubt that plays much of a role.

Arguably, the US is the most important market. I'm not saying they wouldn't like to be stronger elsewhere, but they simply HAVE to win the US. People spend more on gaming here than anywhere else on the planet.

 

[oldergamer]

This seems to support what I said about this being a transition period and MS using the console exclusives to prop up the windows store for games. This doesn't mean all MS console games will be on PC from this point forth.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Xbox One expectations 2013: One ... billion.

https://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-microsoft-aims-for-1-billion-lifetime-sales-100-million-xbox-360-units/

So funny.

Not as funny as selective reading. From the article you linked

On the subject of Xbox One sales and the growth of the market with the herald of next-gen formats, Mehdi continued, “Every generation, as you’ve probably heard, has grown approximately 30%. So this generation is about 300 million units. Most industry experts think the next generation will get upwards of about 400 million units. That’s if it’s a game console, over the next decade.

“We think you can go broader than a game console, that’s our aim, and you can go from 400 million to potentially upwards of a billion units. That’s how we’re thinking of the Xbox opportunity as we go forward.”

He's talking about the market as a whole and what piece of it MS can try and achieve. Unless I missed a meeting and the 360 topped 300 million units

 

[oldergamer]

Agreed.

Playstation brand recognition/appeal worldwide, is the larger part.

Xbox brand was strong in Australia and a few other places as well.

 

[darkinstinct]

UWP and unified devices is Nadella's initiaitive. Xbox is just another division going that direction because that is the mandate from up top.

http://www.wired.com/2014/07/unified-windows/

Unified devices was Ballmer. Nadella just goes with it.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2044126/one-microsoft-all-the-time-what-ballmers-newly-unified-vision-could-mean-to-you.html

 

[KinofChaos]

Unified devices was Ballmer. Nadella just goes with it.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2044126/one-microsoft-all-the-time-what-ballmers-newly-unified-vision-could-mean-to-you.html

Either way it's not Phil Spencer.