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[Bronetta]

I thought MS is only announcing the Xbone slim at E3 and the Scorpio won't be revealed till later.

 

[daveo42]

This makes sense, bu still. Dont we all know its coming officially? What does this change really? Someone who wants the neo is going to wait one way or another at this point.

Depends on how much a person follows gaming. Us, on an internet forum dedicated to gaming? We've known since it was leaked. Mom looking to buy little Johnny a new video game system? She's got no clue till a news story pops up on the news or its already on store shelves. Holding back on doing a full reveal means most "non-gamers" or "casuals" will have zero clue that Sony and MS have plans to do an update to their consoles.

 

[qa_engineer]

They can't surpass PSVR resolution, heck PSVR dosn't even support native 1080p on both eyes. There won't be much difference between the two versions. The only thing devs can do is try 90/120 FPS native with NEO. Resolution will be the same.

You forget there is this cool thing called super sampling and it does improve image quality in VR. Not saying thats what theyll do, but its possible.

 

[Prologue]

Disappointed, especially after all the rumors the last few months.

 

[VincentMatts]

This isn't how things work. Sony probably knew of the Scorpio rumored specs long before we even heard about it. And besides Sony isn't going to let MS dictate their plans. Sony is the Market leader. They probably just don't want their conference overstuffed.

Let E3 be about games and VR. They can announce NEO at a later time

Or they could have just announced it before e3, at the same time that they talked about it to ign. People know its coming, they just revealed it. They dont expect one million questions about it at e3 now? They clearly want to see what MSs move is.

 

[Pathfinder]

I thought MS is only announcing the Xbone slim at E3 and the Scorpio won't be revealed till later.

The word is Scorpio will at least be mentioned in some capacity at E3.

 

[JigglesBunny]

Good. I stand by the belief that this incremental upgrade/.5 business is a bit ridiculous and taking up any time at E3 to show off the Neo/Scorpio is nothing but a detractor and a waste of time.

Show this off at Gamescom or something where there's a little less to show off, leave E3 for the big reveals, gameplay demos and megatons.

Spoiler

And no, a slightly more powerful console that we've known about for months isn't a megaton.

 

[Lacix]

Good. I want to hear about the new suckerpunch game on E3.

 

[funkystudent]

So I guess NEO isnt hitting 2016 then?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Exactly, I think you are right about that. Even if they didn't know the details about each other's plans, I really doubt Sony would change plans completely based on rumours about Scorpio. It's nice that Sony has confirmed it now though. I wonder how long until MS confirms it as well. It's possible that they briefly mention it at E3.

If you had to guess, do you think the Neo will still launch this year?

I think MSFT will mention something briefly about 'Scorpio' in their plans as well.

I think it will be out by this Holiday season, if pushed back to 2017, it is to take advantage of a better CPU solution then.

So I guess NEO isnt hitting 2016 then?

What makes you say that?

They are not launching a new console platform. They do not need as much 'time in advance'.

 

[ironcreed]

I still believe it's coming out later this year

 

[Freeman]

Depends on how much a person follows gaming. Us, on an internet forum dedicated to gaming? We've known since it was leaked. Mom looking to buy little Johnny a new video game system? She's got no clue till a news story pops up on the news or its already on store shelves. Holding back on doing a full reveal means most "non-gamers" or "casuals" will have zero clue that Sony and MS have plans to do an update to their consoles.

They gain nothing by attempting to hide it from people, it probably to soon to show it due to more practical reasons.

 

[Morts]

The annoying part of this getting confirmed this morning is that all my podcasts for work today are out of date.

 

[thuway]

All the disappointed people have no one to blame but themselves. You know how you reveal Neo?

You reveal Neo by giving it an entirely seperate event where architects, engineers, developers, and key designers are given time to do a deep dive on the product. You take the proper time to enunciate the rhetoric necessary to explain to consumers why this product exists, who the target audience it's for, and what it's capable of. And guess what? You should take a heavy look at the unveil of the PS4 at the PlayStation meeting in February of 2013 to see how that's done.

You don't dedicate an entire E3 programme to Neo. A time where- the majority of consumers are concerned with seeing the latest and greatest software for your platform- just one month after this generation's highest rated, technical showpiece just launched. You want to reinforce the base, and keep them coming.

 

[Mass Effect]

knew it. Told you they wouldn't show it.

 

[Septic360]

All the disappointed people have no one to blame but themselves. You know how you reveal Neo?

You reveal Neo by giving it an entirely seperate event where architects, engineers, developers, and key designers are given time to do a deep dive on the product. You take the proper time to enunciate the rhetoric necessary to explain to consumers why this product exists, who the target audience it's for, and what it's capable of. And guess what? You should take a heavy look at the unveil of the PS4 at the PlayStation meeting in February of 2013 to see how that's done.

You don't dedicate an entire E3 programme to Neo. A time where- the majority of consumers are concerned with seeing the latest and greatest software for your platform- just one month after this generation's highest rated, technical showpiece just launched. You want to reinforce the base, and keep them coming.

Then why confirm it the way Sony have today?

 

[...Scatter...]

Good. I stand by the belief that this incremental upgrade/.5 business is a bit ridiculous and taking up any time at E3 to show off the Neo/Scorpio is nothing but a detractor and a waste of time.

Show this off at Gamescom or something where there's a little less to show off, leave E3 for the big reveals, gameplay demos and megatons.

Spoiler

And no, a slightly more powerful console that we've known about for months isn't a megaton.

Boooo. New systems are BIGGEST reveals and the best Megatons.

 

[jett]

WTF this “It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” means??

could be the Neo just an external graphics card for the ps4 or something? otherwise I don't know why would the neo sit alongside the ps4... if it's suposed to render it useless...

No offense, but sometimes I wonder if some people here are just putting on an act.

He means in the marketplace.

 

[icespide]

Then why confirm it the way Sony have today?

cuz shit leaked

 

[Sangetsu-II]

You forget there is this cool thing called super sampling and it does improve image quality in VR. Not saying thats what theyll do, but its possible.

It's possible but now people are just reaching, who is to say out of 100 games that all devs will use that. At most, like I stated previously, all devs will just do the common norm and try to achieve a better FPS. Only 10% will try to innovate and use the full capabilities of the system and it will be Sony's First Party to do that, which in term will try to make both versions similar to not cause confusion, I guess. lol

 

[Han Shot First]

The word is Scorpio will at least be mentioned in some capacity at E3.

I mean that'd play well with us gamers. I don't think it'd be smart financially for them though.

 

[thuway]

Then why confirm it the way Sony have today?

You do know how these press conferences are. If Sony doesn't confirm it's existence- than after the E3 press conference journalists will be up in arms and ask: "Where's Neo?" ; "Why didn't Sony show Neo?" - and insert any other narrative that can easily be conjured by heresay.

At this point- acknowledging it's existence - has done what it's done; but outright denying something like this exists might have created a FUD that they don't want to deal with.

 

[neurosyphilis]

I'm here waiting for the same backslash Nintendo got for not revealing NX at E3.








That basically confirms it will not be out this year, right?

What ? It's two completely different situations.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Why is there a cynical assumption that Sony is "scared" of Scorpio and pro-actively reacting to an unannounced- paper spec- console with target performance number- set to release much later?

If anything- it's quite obvious why Sony wouldn't overload their conference with information. For all the pomp and circumstance from critics that for some reason still regurgitate the tried and true hyperbole: "PlayStation 4 has no exclusives!" - this E3 will be the one to try and challenge that rhetoric if every thing we're being told comes to fruition.

The last three years, Sony's first party studio output has been titled. Studios have rebooted, entire projects have been canned, priorities have been shifted, and heads have rolled. However, this is the year where we are officially seeing: Bend, Guerilla, Japan, Media Molecule, Polyphony, Santa Monica, AND Sucker Punch with some sort of reveal planned. The most important of which is - there is no "timed exclusivity", "sequel on another platform"; "paid to be exclusive" shenanigans..... AND not to mention the myriad of second party projects Sony has- this show seems to be the most "exclusive" heavy PlayStation conference yet.

AND ALL PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NEO? Why? The best way to disrespect your first party send-offs is to divert the media's attention to an entirely new box.

Agreed 100 percent. I want to see games. I plan to buy a Neo day one, but I'm much more interested in seeing the exclusive games Sony has been working on.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

All the disappointed people have no one to blame but themselves. You know how you reveal Neo?

You reveal Neo by giving it an entirely seperate event where architects, engineers, developers, and key designers are given time to do a deep dive on the product. You take the proper time to enunciate the rhetoric necessary to explain to consumers why this product exists, who the target audience it's for, and what it's capable of. And guess what? You should take a heavy look at the unveil of the PS4 at the PlayStation meeting in February of 2013 to see how that's done.

You don't dedicate an entire E3 programme to Neo. A time where- the majority of consumers are concerned with seeing the latest and greatest software for your platform- just one month after this generation's highest rated, technical showpiece just launched. You want to reinforce the base, and keep them coming.

But they just revealed it.

They just haven't expounded on it.

 

[Z3M0G]

Wait, what? There's a chance that not all games will work on the newer model? What!?

What he meant is that new games are not required to take advantage of the extra power.

A game is allowed to look exactly the same between the PS4 and PS4Neo.

 

[pixelation]

This is your chance, Phil!

Spoiler

We're not getting any hardware at E3, are we?

Yeah, MS can afford to announce the Scorpio. The XBO isn't selling that good going by the NPD results so they need not worry about people potentially halting from purchasing XBO's because not many are buying them anyways.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

All the disappointed people have no one to blame but themselves. You know how you reveal Neo?

You reveal Neo by giving it an entirely seperate event where architects, engineers, developers, and key designers are given time to do a deep dive on the product. You take the proper time to enunciate the rhetoric necessary to explain to consumers why this product exists, who the target audience it's for, and what it's capable of. And guess what? You should take a heavy look at the unveil of the PS4 at the PlayStation meeting in February of 2013 to see how that's done.

You don't dedicate an entire E3 programme to Neo. A time where- the majority of consumers are concerned with seeing the latest and greatest software for your platform- just one month after this generation's highest rated, technical showpiece just launched. You want to reinforce the base, and keep them coming.

Neo is not a new console though. I doubt it warrants its own separate event.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why is there a cynical assumption that Sony is "scared" of Scorpio and pro-actively reacting to an unannounced- paper spec- console with target performance number- set to release much later?

If anything- it's quite obvious why Sony wouldn't overload their conference with information. For all the pomp and circumstance from critics that for some reason still regurgitate the tried and true hyperbole: "PlayStation 4 has no exclusives!" - this E3 will be the one to try and challenge that rhetoric if every thing we're being told comes to fruition.

The last three years, Sony's first party studio output has been titled. Studios have rebooted, entire projects have been canned, priorities have been shifted, and heads have rolled. However, this is the year where we are officially seeing: Bend, Guerilla, Japan, Media Molecule, Polyphony, Santa Monica, AND Sucker Punch with some sort of reveal planned. The most important of which is - there is no "timed exclusivity", "sequel on another platform"; "paid to be exclusive" shenanigans..... AND not to mention the myriad of second party projects Sony has- this show seems to be the most "exclusive" heavy PlayStation conference yet.

AND ALL PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NEO? Why? The best way to disrespect your first party send-offs is to divert the media's attention to an entirely new box.

Testify!

All the disappointed people have no one to blame but themselves. You know how you reveal Neo?

You reveal Neo by giving it an entirely seperate event where architects, engineers, developers, and key designers are given time to do a deep dive on the product. You take the proper time to enunciate the rhetoric necessary to explain to consumers why this product exists, who the target audience it's for, and what it's capable of. And guess what? You should take a heavy look at the unveil of the PS4 at the PlayStation meeting in February of 2013 to see how that's done.

You don't dedicate an entire E3 programme to Neo. A time where- the majority of consumers are concerned with seeing the latest and greatest software for your platform- just one month after this generation's highest rated, technical showpiece just launched. You want to reinforce the base, and keep them coming.

Bravo! But I do not think there will be a spectacle like the PS4, due to this not being a new console platform.

You do know how these press conferences are. If Sony doesn't confirm it's existence- than after the E3 press conference journalists will be up in arms and ask: "Where's Neo?" ; "Why didn't Sony show Neo?" - and insert any other narrative that can easily be conjured by heresay.

At this point- acknowledging it's existence - has done what it's done; but outright denying something like this exists might have created a FUD that they don't want to deal with.

.

 

[Vena]

Why even admit to its existence and give it a soft-reveal?

 

[mejin]

Why is there a cynical assumption that Sony is "scared" of Scorpio and pro-actively reacting to an unannounced- paper spec- console with target performance number- set to release much later?

If anything- it's quite obvious why Sony wouldn't overload their conference with information. For all the pomp and circumstance from critics that for some reason still regurgitate the tried and true hyperbole: "PlayStation 4 has no exclusives!" - this E3 will be the one to try and challenge that rhetoric if every thing we're being told comes to fruition.

The last three years, Sony's first party studio output has been titled. Studios have rebooted, entire projects have been canned, priorities have been shifted, and heads have rolled. However, this is the year where we are officially seeing: Bend, Guerilla, Japan, Media Molecule, Polyphony, Santa Monica, AND Sucker Punch with some sort of reveal planned. The most important of which is - there is no "timed exclusivity", "sequel on another platform"; "paid to be exclusive" shenanigans..... AND not to mention the myriad of second party projects Sony has- this show seems to be the most "exclusive" heavy PlayStation conference yet.

AND ALL PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NEO? Why? The best way to disrespect your first party send-offs is to divert the media's attention to an entirely new box.

These people just want Sony to screw up. So they ask for stupid moves as if Sony would do it. Spread BS. Then, cycle continues.

 

[FireBeaver]

That was possibly the most anticlimactic announcement for a "new" console I've ever seen.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Hope it still comes out this year, with 4K blu ray support.

 

[ironcreed]

I have a great idea. Let's get excited for the software for the hardware we just bought.

 

[qa_engineer]

Why is there a cynical assumption that Sony is "scared" of Scorpio and pro-actively reacting to an unannounced- paper spec- console with target performance number- set to release much later?

If anything- it's quite obvious why Sony wouldn't overload their conference with information. For all the pomp and circumstance from critics that for some reason still regurgitate the tried and true hyperbole: "PlayStation 4 has no exclusives!" - this E3 will be the one to try and challenge that rhetoric if every thing we're being told comes to fruition.

The last three years, Sony's first party studio output has been titled. Studios have rebooted, entire projects have been canned, priorities have been shifted, and heads have rolled. However, this is the year where we are officially seeing: Bend, Guerilla, Japan, Media Molecule, Polyphony, Santa Monica, AND Sucker Punch with some sort of reveal planned. The most important of which is - there is no "timed exclusivity", "sequel on another platform"; "paid to be exclusive" shenanigans..... AND not to mention the myriad of second party projects Sony has- this show seems to be the most "exclusive" heavy PlayStation conference yet.

AND ALL PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NEO? Why? The best way to disrespect your first party send-offs is to divert the media's attention to an entirely new box.

Preach. Its all about VR and games

 

[potatohead]

If they talk about NEO for E3 conference that will pretty much take at least 30 min or even an hour.

That leaves no space for games. And even with lots of game announcements they'd have to be quick just to fit in NEO, it would be a mess. NEO would take all the thunder.

NEO can have it's own event for announcement. Games need E3, Neo simply does not.

 

[Gunslinger]

They are going to reveal it in PlayStation experience with a release date of holiday 2017 imo.

 

[JigglesBunny]

Boooo. New systems are BIGGEST reveals and the best Megatons.

An actual new console, of course!
People's expectations for this are insane though. This is really just a power-buffed PS4 that can output 4K resolution (definitely not run games at 4K) that will probably help games like Uncharted 4 run at 1080p in multiplayer and maybe 60fps in single player.

To me, that's not all that exciting. It's nice for those starved for any improvements on the current iteration of the console they can get, sure, but it's really not all that substantial that it warrants as much hype as it's getting, in my opinion.

Of course, I'd love to eat crow and see this be a $400 console upgrade that runs games at a locked 1440p, 60fps, but that's not going to happen and I don't think anyone should expect it too.

 

[MaulerX]

All the disappointed people have no one to blame but themselves. You know how you reveal Neo?

You reveal Neo by giving it an entirely seperate event where architects, engineers, developers, and key designers are given time to do a deep dive on the product. You take the proper time to enunciate the rhetoric necessary to explain to consumers why this product exists, who the target audience it's for, and what it's capable of. And guess what? You should take a heavy look at the unveil of the PS4 at the PlayStation meeting in February of 2013 to see how that's done.

You don't dedicate an entire E3 programme to Neo. A time where- the majority of consumers are concerned with seeing the latest and greatest software for your platform- just one month after this generation's highest rated, technical showpiece just launched. You want to reinforce the base, and keep them coming.

But they just revealed it.

 

[StoopKid]

That was possibly the most anticlimactic announcement for a "new" console I've ever seen.

The nx?

 

[ChackanKun]

So this means games sre being shown on base PS4!!


OMG Horizon!!

 

[Crimson_Gold]

But they just revealed it.

They merely said it exists. They didn't give a detailed breakdown with specs and a release date

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Neo is not a "new" console nor is it as big of a deal as the PS4 is.

 

[Timeaisis]

I really wonder how many current PS4 owners are going to buy this, seeing as how all games are going to be playable on both platforms in the future. Most people seem cheap as hell nowadays. Of course, it's a question of if the upgrade is worthwhile for you, and indeed there will be many people in which that answer is yes, but I do wonder if it is enough to justify the consoles existence.

Sure, Apple does hardware revisions every year, but the market segment is so much different.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Why even admit to its existence and give it a soft-reveal?

It will deter journalists from pursuing Sony after the conference with pointless Neo's questions.. It's real now we wait.

 

[blame space]

worst reveal ever!!

 

[DeepEnigma]

That was possibly the most anticlimactic announcement for a "new" console I've ever seen.

Hilarious since you have Reggie in your avatar. NX anyone?

But in all seriousness, it is because it is not a new platform, and they do not need attention diverted at an E3, which is about games, and their VR Platform.

So this means games sre being shown on base PS4!!


OMG Horizon!!

Of course they are. GG has already stated they are not going down a bullshit road since the KZ2 target. Ever since then, it has been all their technical wizardry on display.

I mean shit, people would be claiming UC4 was 'Neo' if these leaks were a year earlier, lol.

 

[GamerJM]

It is almost as if, E3 is not about the games.

E3 stands for Electronic Entertainment Expo. It has, traditionally, always been about games and hardware, from the very first E3.

 

[DragonKnight]

Makes sense. So next gen starts 2017 with new consoles from Nintendo, Sony and MS.

The concepts of gens doesnt exist anymore.

 

[jimbobsmells]

http://www.polygon.com/2016/6/10/11902554/sony-playstation-neo-e3-2016

Sony's PlayStation 4 Neo: Bad news for Microsoft, great news for you

Ben's got an opinion.

The comments on these articles never cease to amaze me. Calling Ben a Sony fanboy? Did they not read his articles around the time these consoles launched?