Memnoch
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Me too, can't wait. Buying it day one as well.
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Digital Foundry: Neo GPU are point-for-point a match for RX 480
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Well, actually nobody said anything concrete but that is why the thread is now on page 40.
martino
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Beaufort wind scale force 10 ?
Wishmaster92
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I have already gone full mad bro. 5.5 ft or bust
More like he is saying there is a big difference between PS4/Xbox & Neo/ Scorpio but it will must likely not be used for going from 30fps to 60fps because the games need to be mostly the same on the 2 versions of the consoles across the network.
What you're most likely to see is games that are mostly the same but up-rendered to 4K & no I'm not talking about upscaling I mean the extra power well be used to render the games at a higher resolution.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Battlefield will be 60fps. Even on the current ones
Even 1440p will be a huge upgrade. It's a shame they can't do true 4K though. I really had hoped we could get most if not all titles up there. I'd say it's more important for Sony to get out to market this holiday with neo than try and match Scorpio spec for spec. Because they can't/won't match it so if it gets too close to Scorpio people will just wait.
That would be huge, I don't think I could find somewhere in my room to place it.
dead monkey uk
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We have a product for people like you its called the PS5.
I'll buy that too lol. Just playing overwatch on my 75" 4K tv makes me wish it was in 4K because it already looks amazing as is.
wonderful103
Member
You can make that wish come true today
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sorry but 4k even on a PS5 will be a gigantic waste of GPU resources. 4k resolution isnt going to magically make a game look better. You need 4x the tflops to output on 4k and those 8 or so tflops are better spent on extra foliage, shaders, geometry, physics, post processing effects like motion blur and draw distance.
Games look just fine on 1080p.
Freeman
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This obsession about Sony matching Scorpio one year earlier is just silly.
What if MS had said 7TF? 12TF? So far that's all they've done, stated how many Teraflops it will have, no price, no box, no games running on it, nothing.
Just undercut the Scorpio in price when its released and 4,2TF will more than do the job.
What if MS had said 7TF? 12TF? So far that's all they've done, stated how many Teraflops it will have, no price, no box, no games running on it, nothing.
Just undercut the Scorpio in price when its released and 4,2TF will more than do the job.
It wasn't an obsession, it was people using rumors from reliable sources, and relying on history when Sony suddenly upped the ram amount to 8 GB of GDDR5 in the PS4 devkits.
At this point though, it's safe to put the rumor on ice. I think it's unfair to say just blindly criticize people passionate about these machines being as powerful as possible using whatever information we have available.
LukasTaves
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Probably someone already said it, but I'm going to guess full BC with all previous playstations.
There's no way sony will let Ms have this feature by themselves if they release a box that's capable of emulating the ps3, and would be a great way to get people on current Ps4's to upgrade, as well make them invested on the system in a way that they wouldn't mind scorpio coming later.
I'm wondering whether 1440p looks better than 1080p on a 4K TV since it can't be upscaled as easy as 1080p.
dead monkey uk
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Will 1440P look better on a 1080P TV than a native a 1080P image?
It's up-rendering
StrongBlackVine
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We don't know anything. You were speaking in this authoritative manner a while back, then recently started drinking the Kool-aid and now you have come full circle. No one can take you seriously any more...
StrongBlackVine
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Make your mind up
It will change again before we get any official info. It's quite absurd.
Your Twitter said the internet would break down soon hinting at a even more powerful Neo being announced. Is that not the case anymore?
Actually it does. if you have a camera take a picture at 2MP (1080P) & a picture at 8MP (4K) & print them out or even look at the pictures on a monitor or TV with a higher resolution than 1080P you will clearly see that 4K look a lot better than 1080P.
StrongBlackVine
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He is not an insider. He knows as much as you and I do.
Freeman
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Terrible comparison. Resolution is only one of many things that determine how good something will look. Increasing the resolution isn't always the best way to apply the resources availiable.
I can already hear people complaining that next gen look hi-res current gen if they go after 4K.
With all due respect Thuway, between blowing hot and cold continually yourself on these rumors, as well as your history as an "insider", I personally wouldn't tell others how to feel and what to think.
"Cut it Out"...
"Be happy with what we get"...
"We know the specs"?
Yeesh.
SenjutsuSage
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It really isn't all that important, I think. How much more powerful is this GPU compared to original PS4's? We know it's a pretty sizable jump. Games will look insane, with more going on. Resolution isn't nearly as important as all the other things you can get from a more capable system, such as higher graphics quality settings and improved performance from newer titles. Very few people out there are playing games at 4K resolution, even on PC. We have to keep things in context. This type of power is still very much uncharted territory on consoles. Games are going to look damn good regardless, unless we've forgotten what's already been achieved on XBO and PS4.
In the case of Neo we are getting hi-res current gen & being higher res is going to make the games look better.
Jeeze - I apologize if you find that contradictory, but I don't want this thread to go into crazy town. It's one thing to speculate- but we are officially talking about "secret sauce"- and at that point you have to hit the eject button.
Also- Paz is someone I respect alot. He worked on the incredible Assault Android Cactus and was literally telling us in so many words to dial it back a notch. He would have access to Neo - more so than any one in this thread.
I'm speculating just like any one else, and have expressed skepticism over the last few pages. I'm not trying to masqerade myself as anything except- a person super passionate about hardware, Sony's first party exclusives, and performance. ^_^
I don't want you to think I am speaking in an authoritative manner or take my enthusiasm to mean anything except that- enthusiasm. Sorry about that. I dialed it back after I read what Paz had posted because he's a developer and I just took his advice about the telephone game.
mckmas8808
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Mind reset and dialed it back mentally.
StrongBlackVine
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Well technically it qualifies as rumor(although I have no idea where it came from), but credibility is lacking.
I strongly believe it will get the CPU upgrade and possibly a smaller boost to the GPU clock speed.
StrongBlackVine
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No offense to smaller devs, but I seriously doubt an indie developer is in the loop for Sony's official plans. Why would they be? Even Guerrilla Games was not fully privy until very late in the process.
Have no idea, but I don't like his tone and when he gets called out for it he feigns innocence. He clearly thinks his opinion holds more value than the rest of us.
wesleyshark
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With no signs of slowing. I do enjoy checking in now and again just to read the endless speculation haha
thelastword
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Exactly, this dev is not SONY, people are pretending Cerny, Yoshida, House or Jim Ryan made the statement. Hell, even Cory Barlog may not be prevue to all of the NEO details right now. I really don't get how having dev kits now means that's what Sony is going to release.
The only thing Sony won't do is to send out dev kits with a 6700k + 1080ti and back down later to a Jaguar+polaris, that would mess up the devs vision for the platform and skew the amount of power they were working with. It makes more sense to give devs something in the ballpark of what they're going for, to get things up and running, getting devs prepped and familiar with NEO development and then boosting that power in the end if necessary.
SneakyStephan
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Image quality is a HUGE part of graphical fidelity
Highly dense and detail rich environments are pointless if you don't have the resolution to resolve that detail, and it turns into a pixel crawling mess (or a blurry, artifacty mess with TAA)
dead monkey uk
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Well if they sell 15M PS4s at $299, they will easily sell 20M+. My guess is Neo will be $450/$499 depending on harddrive. I agree with you $599 is a price Sony will not revisit.
thelastword
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Exactly, like we have seen in many games this gen, like HALO5 and QB......1080p will be looked at like this generation looked at 720p and 900p. We have to move on, by the time PS5 comes along, GPU's will be strong enough to deliver 4k resolution with high end visuals at 30 and 60fps.
The whole point of Neo is to have the same development environment as the PS4. Hence compatibility both ways. It'd make no sense to send out a box which is the exact same to develop for, with the only difference of power to then be like "Oh, it now has more power".
I'd understand if they sent out boxes with off the shelf parts strapped together (aka: PC) like they did the PS4 prior its launch, although this is a dev-kit which has a finalised APU in it. It's not changing.
StrongBlackVine
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Another person speaking in an authoritative manner. None of us know what is going on. Digital sales...