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[Proelite]

I don't think Neo and Scorpio will be competitors at ALL.

Neo is trying to retain PS4 users who wants the premium power experience from going back to PC for their VR and 4k needs.

Scorpio is offering the cheapest entry point for 4k gaming and high end VR on the PC side.

Whether Neo succeeds and fails has no bearing on Scorpio and vice versa.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Xbone: always online, power, and price vs PS4 = doomed

Scorpio: 4K only, confused messaging, premium price likely, year later than NEO = doomed

No one is saying the power alone dooms the consoles.

The above is also mostly untrue, like the always online part, but it's the message they're sending. The message is where Sony have been playing Aces since 2013 and MS keeps failing miserably.

4K = Wrong

Confused = if you came down in the last shower, or pretend to be.

Premium = Pulled from ones mud chute.

You'll be alright, Pal. This will push for a better console for you in 2020 ish.

 

[LukasTaves]

Xbone: always online, power, and price vs PS4 = doomed

Scorpio: 4K only, confused messaging, premium price likely, year later than NEO = doomed

No one is saying the power alone dooms the consoles.

The above is also mostly untrue, like the always online part, but it's the message they're sending. The message is where Sony have been playing Aces since 2013 and MS keeps failing miserably.

That's not the message they are sending, but I see the point.

However, unlike last time, they are dropping info with caution and taking their time to address the concerns, so by the time Scorpio hits it won't have anywhere near the amount of flak xbone got.

 

[Proelite]

4K = Wrong

Confused = if you came down in the last shower, or pretend to be.

Premium = Pulled from ones mud chute.

You'll be alright, Pal. This will push for a better console for you in 2020 ish.

He's right.
The teraflops and bandwidth numbers are really confusing for the average buyer.

Should have gone with DBZ power levels.

 

[biglittleps]

I'm finding less and less reason to get a Neo at this point. I'd rather put money towards Scorpio for all its trying to do. Neo feels like a half measure.

Neo is focusing on making 1080p (which is used by most currently compared to 4k in TV worldwide) better in the middle of the generation, but Scorpio is trying to get 4k gaming and we know(even DF saying its not enough for 4k) that their horse power is not enough to push same visuals of Neo 1080p in 4k. I think Sony is doing great job by keeping power and price ratio for an upgraded console and they might be targeting 4k in PS5 in 3 years when we actually see the 4K becoming mainstream and also they can boost horse power close to 10+TF which is enough to push 4K.

 

[What A Time To Be Alive]

This will pump you up!!

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-scorpio-is-us-returning-to-our-roots-says-microsofts-aaron-greenberg

The really going back to their roots I'mma need Sega to jump on with a bunch of games and I need Blinx back.
'
Oh yeah Amped 4 plz tank u

 

[Lady Gaia]

The most fascinating part of this mid-generation experiment from my perspective is the question of whether either premium console offering is going to get a large enough installed base for publishers to cater to. Sony seems to be betting it won't happen, at least initially, with the mandate that games have the same modes on both PS4 variants, playing up online interoperability, etc.

Microsoft looks to be hedging their bets a little differently. If the premium audience is small then there should be sufficient horsepower to render Xbox One games at 4K without much work while adding a flagship product to tout when it comes to spec wars. On the other hand, if the base Xbox One audience growth stalls and there's significant uptake on Scorpio they'll be able to shift gears to focus development on the high end box.

A lot depends on price and market receptiveness, not to mention timing. Announcing specs this far out from a launch is something of a gamble. If you have thermal issues or production challenges do you ship on time with reduced specs, or forego one more holiday season to hit your announced targets? It's a very interesting game no matter how you look at it.

 

[Sydle]

I don't think Neo and Scorpio will be competitors at ALL.

Neo is trying to retain PS4 users who wants the premium power experience from going back to PC for their VR and 4k needs.

Scorpio is offering the cheapest entry point for 4k gaming and high end VR on the PC side.

Whether Neo succeeds and fails has no bearing on Scorpio and vice versa.

Well put.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

I think having the strongest, most powerful console on the market is better than not having the strongest, most powerful one.

But it doesn't magically translate your platform into the one with the best games library or the one offering the best bang for the buck.

 

[Proelite]

The most fascinating part of this mid-generation experiment from my perspective is the question of whether either premium console offering is going to get a large enough installed base for publishers to cater to. Sony seems to be betting it won't happen, at least initially, with the mandate that games have the same modes on both PS4 variants, playing up online interoperability, etc.

Microsoft looks to be hedging their bets a little differently. If the premium audience is small then there should be sufficient horsepower to render Xbox One games at 4K without much work while adding a flagship product to tout when it comes to spec wars. On the other hand, if the base Xbox One audience growth stalls and there's significant uptake on Scorpio they'll be able to shift gears to focus development on the high end box.

A lot depends on price and market receptiveness, not to mention timing. Announcing specs this far out from a launch is something of a gamble. If you have thermal issues or production challenges do you ship on time with reduced specs, or forego one more holiday season to hit your announced targets? It's a very interesting game no matter how you look at it.

Even if Scorpio sells 10 units lifetime they still get whatever games that'll be out on the W10 market place, in addition to the xb1 games.

At minimum Scorpio library would still be bigger than Xb1s.

 

[cackhyena]

Neo is focusing on making 1080p (which is used by most currently compared to 4k in TV worldwide) better in the middle of the generation, but Scorpio is trying to get 4k gaming and we know(even DF saying its not enough for 4k) that their horse power is not enough to push same visuals of Neo 1080p in 4k. I think Sony is doing great job by keeping power and price ratio for an upgraded console and they might be targeting 4k in PS5 in 3 years when we actually see the 4K becoming mainstream and also they can boost horse power close to 10+TF which is enough to push 4K.

What? Scorpio on paper is a good deal beefier. There will be 4K content, but I'm sure there will be plenty of devs who focus on 1080p and making everything sing...and that should easily compete and theoretically beat out Neo. In terms of raw power.

I think having the strongest, most powerful console on the market is better than not having the strongest, most powerful one.

But it doesn't magically translate your platform into becoming the one with the best games library or offering the best bang for the buck.

Too true. I just have more confidence in MS and what they are doing atm. Maybe that changes when Neo is officially revealed.

 

[MilkyJoe]

He's right.
The teraflops and bandwidth numbers are really confusing for the average buyer.

Should have gone with DBZ power levels.

Didn't they say "will be the most powerful console ever made"?

 

[gamz]

The really going back to their roots I'mma need Sega to jump on with a bunch of games and I need Blinx back.
'
Oh yeah Amped 4 plz tank u

You okay?

 

[Proelite]

What? Scorpio on paper is a good deal beefier. There will be 4K content, but I'm sure there will be plenty of devs who focus on 1080p and making everything sing...and that should easily compete and theoretically beat out Neo. In terms of raw power.

Scorpio at 1440p would beat out Neo at 1080p. I was hopeful for a Neo upgrade to over 5 teraflops but the 480 reviews really put a damper on things. Global Foundries fucked up big time.

 

[LukasTaves]

Neo is focusing on making 1080p (which is used by most currently compared to 4k in TV worldwide) better in the middle of the generation, but Scorpio is trying to get 4k gaming and we know(even DF saying its not enough for 4k) that their horse power is not enough to push same visuals of Neo 1080p in 4k. I think Sony is doing great job by keeping power and price ratio for an upgraded console and they might be targeting 4k in PS5 in 3 years when we actually see the 4K becoming mainstream and also they can boost horse power close to 10+TF which is enough to push 4K.

There's no way a single publisher/developer will have a worse looking game on scorpio than neo but running in 4k compared to 1080p. They will most likely support a res higher than 1080p on both, with same fidelity but with scorpio having higher res/framerate.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Neo is focusing on making 1080p (which is used by most currently compared to 4k in TV worldwide) better in the middle of the generation, but Scorpio is trying to get 4k gaming and we know(even DF saying its not enough for 4k) that their horse power is not enough to push same visuals of Neo 1080p in 4k. I think Sony is doing great job by keeping power and price ratio for an upgraded console and they might be targeting 4k in PS5 in 3 years when we actually see the 4K becoming mainstream and also they can boost horse power close to 10+TF which is enough to push 4K.

Documents made it seem like Sony wants 4k games. I assume we'll see higher than 1080p resolutions scaled to 4k based on the leaked stuff Giant Bomb and Eurogamer posted.

 

[Lady Gaia]

Even if Scorpio sells 10 units lifetime they still get whatever games that'll be out on the W10 market place, in addition to the xb1 games.

Is that speculation or has something been announced that I missed? I had assumed Microsoft would keep the monetization strategy constant across the entire Xbox One family.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Neo is focusing on making 1080p (which is used by most currently compared to 4k in TV worldwide) better in the middle of the generation, but Scorpio is trying to get 4k gaming and we know(even DF saying its not enough for 4k) that their horse power is not enough to push same visuals of Neo 1080p in 4k. I think Sony is doing great job by keeping power and price ratio for an upgraded console and they might be targeting 4k in PS5 in 3 years when we actually see the 4K becoming mainstream and also they can boost horse power close to 10+TF which is enough to push 4K.

Ahem...

Xbox head Phil Spencer has said that he won't mandate games to be 4K on Scorpio. ... "We'll talk more about this later, but we never said we'd mandate 4K frame buffer, we won't.".

 

[PeterLegend]

Microsoft has deeper pockets, they can have the power advantage but at what price.

Also if you're a pc gamer all xbox one exclusives will be coming to pc, interested to see if microsoft can continue selling a lot of hardware.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Microsoft has deeper pockets, they can have the power advantage but at what price.

Also if you're a pc gamer all xbox one exclusives will be coming to pc, interested to see if microsoft can continue selling a lot of hardware.

Some people drive a motorcycle some a car.

Different markets get you from A to B.

I'm pretty sure that most console folk are not going to abandon a very powerful console to pay more for a gaming PC to play the same games.

 

[timlot]

Neo is focusing on making 1080p (which is used by most currently compared to 4k in TV worldwide) better in the middle of the generation, but Scorpio is trying to get 4k gaming and we know(even DF saying its not enough for 4k) that their horse power is not enough to push same visuals of Neo 1080p in 4k. I think Sony is doing great job by keeping power and price ratio for an upgraded console and they might be targeting 4k in PS5 in 3 years when we actually see the 4K becoming mainstream and also they can boost horse power close to 10+TF which is enough to push 4K.

Only spec facts we know about Scorpio are 6TF, a greater than 320GB/sec memory bandwidth, possibly 12GB or ram based on the gpu rendered in their introduction video, and that it was semi customized by AMD.

We don't know any more elements about the gpu, nothing about the cpu, or how much greater the memory bandwidth will be.

Therefore I'll defer to public comments Microsoft emphasized when talking about Scorpio. 6TF, 4K, 60hz, most power console ever (which tells me they have some assurance from AMD that it will be to make that statement).

 

[TH-Work]

Its not "power" alone that make people choose Playstation over Xbox.

Playstation brand is simply way bigger than Xbox especially WW, it also has more games, world class 1st party developers and VR.

I believe you're wrong The fact that the PlayStation 4 is more powerfull than the XBox One is a huge selling point for the PlayStation 4! The XBox One got alot of bad press because many developers could not reach the same resolution or framerate on the XBox One than on the PlayStation 4. Everyone just wants the most powerfull device, the device that could display the games in 1080p and 60Fps.

I can't remember how often people complained about that the XBox One version of a certain game had only 900p and 30Fps! So in my opinion nowadays it is the most important thing to have the most powerfull hardware on the market, because no one want's the second best console, and only the console with good press has a chance to sell well in my opinion

It can't be more games, or 1st party developers or VR, because Microsoft also has more games, and world class 1st party developers and VR with Oculus Rift in the future. In my opinion it's just the little fact that the PlayStation 4 is more powerfull than the XBox One. I think that having the most powerfull console is the most important thing for kids in the age between 14-26

 

[LukasTaves]

Only spec facts we know about Scorpio are 6TF, a greater than 320GB/sec memory bandwidth, possibly 12GB or ram based on the gpu rendered in their introduction video, and that it was semi customized by AMD.

We don't know any more elements about the gpu, nothing about the cpu, or how much greater the memory bandwidth will be.

Therefore I'll defer to public comments Microsoft emphasized when talking about Scorpio. 6TF, 4K, 60hz, most power console ever (which tells me they have some assurance from AMD that it will be to make that statement).

I don't think there's even a legal way for AMD to assure that.

They probably went for the highest they could go assuming the current fabrication process, the thermal design and thus they knew that at best AMD would be able to match it for a competitor.

 

[icespide]

I believe you're wrong The fact that the PlayStation 4 is more powerfull than the XBox One is a huge selling point for the PlayStation 4! The XBox One got alot of bad press because many developers could not reach the same resolution or framerate on the XBox One than on the PlayStation 4. Everyone just wants the most powerfull device, the device that could display the games in 1080p and 60Fps.

I can't remember how often people complained about that the XBox One version of a certain game had only 900p and 30Fps! So in my opinion nowadays it is the most important thing to have the most powerfull hardware on the market, because no one want's the second best console, and only the console with good press has a chance to sell well in my opinion

It can't be more games, or 1st party developers or VR, because Microsoft also has more games, and world class 1st party developers and VR with Oculus Rift in the future. In my opinion it's just the little fact that the PlayStation 4 is more powerfull than the XBox One. I think that having the most powerfull console is the most important thing for kids in the age between 14-26

let me clear this up. you think power is the only reason the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One?

 

[Bitch Pudding]

It can't be more games, or 1st party developers or VR, because Microsoft also has more games, and world class 1st party developers and VR with Oculus Rift in the future. In my opinion it's just the little fact that the PlayStation 4 is more powerfull than the XBox One. I think that having the most powerfull console is the most important thing for kids in the age between 14-26

Sure, why not.

 

[c0de]

let me clear this up. you think power is the only reason the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One?

Let me ask you: do you think power has nothing to do with a successful console and that a more powerful console which is cheaper than the competition has nothing to do with sales?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I don't think Neo and Scorpio will be competitors at ALL.

Neo is trying to retain PS4 users who wants the premium power experience from going back to PC for their VR and 4k needs.

Scorpio is offering the cheapest entry point for 4k gaming and high end VR on the PC side.

Whether Neo succeeds and fails has no bearing on Scorpio and vice versa.

Yeah that makes the most sense

 

[Primethius]

Let me ask you: do you think power has nothing to do with a successful console and that a more powerful console which is cheaper than the competition has nothing to do with sales?

I'll post my answer:

Not nearly enough to be significant and I certainly don't think the number was noteworthy enough to warrant it being brought up as a potential sales success factor for Scorpio.

People mix and match the power issue with price when the price alone was the bigger issue for PS4/XB1 and seperate from the power issue. We had two months in 2014 where XB1 being the cheaper console allowed it to outsell the PS4 by over half a million. And that was after the PS4 had established itself as the dominant console in North America.

Imagine that at launch. Without packed in kinect shit but at the same power as XB1 is now. It would've been vastly more successful.

Power on the list of things that impact this gen, I would put in the class of things you talk about when all other factors are exhausted.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I still don't understand why MS is marketing this in tandem with X1. I think they should leave the X1 behind and just position Scorpio as their next real system. I would be way more excited for it.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Let me ask you: do you think power has nothing to do with a successful console and that a more powerful console which is cheaper than the competition has nothing to do with sales?

Come on now, there's a damn huge difference between "contribute to" and "determine" success and according to your posts I've read so far you're well aware of that.

We all agree power is important, but we also should agree that power alone doesn't do the trick. Just look at recent generations and this should become more than obvious. Playing the "most powerful" cart was a smart move from MS, given that they cater customers which appreciate premium products as it seems. But this move alone won't turn the tides. That said, I asume if you think that XBOX has the most and best games as well as 1st party devs, and also the best VR solution out there you might indeed not be able to understand that.

 

[aaaaa0]

They already proved there's a market for a premium controller with the Elite.

Scorpio will prove there is a market for a premium console.

 

[Yoday]

I still don't understand why MS is marketing this in tandem with X1. I think they should leave the X1 behind and just position Scorpio as their next real system. I would be way more excited for it.

It's not much different from GPU manufacturers marketing multiple cards in a single line, such as the RX 460 and the RX 480. They are different products at different price ranges to cater to a wider range of customers. The consumer in the market for an XBO at $300 in 2016 isn't the same consumer(widely speaking) as the one looking to buy the more powerful system in 2017 for $400-$500. The only thing I don't understand is why so many people have such a hard time seeing the bigger picture.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I still don't understand why MS is marketing this in tandem with X1. I think they should leave the X1 behind and just position Scorpio as their next real system. I would be way more excited for it.

Because they won't want to abandon tens of millions of systems 3.5-4 years into the lifecycle. It wouldn't be powerful enough to plausibly make the argument that it's a true next gen system if it's only 40% more powerful than the Neo, a slightly smaller advantage than what the PS4 has had over the XBO since 2013. Considering the current platform and brand momentum trends, Scorpio seems unlikely to be able to displace the broader PS4 platform, especially without being able to also play a large existing library of games.

 

[c0de]

Come on now, there's a damn huge difference between "contribute to" and "determine" success and according to your posts I've read so far you're well aware of that.

We all agree power is important, but we also should agree that power alone doesn't do the trick. Just look at recent generations and this should become more than obvious. Playing the "most powerful" cart was a smart move from MS, given that they cater customers which appreciate premium products as it seems. But this move alone won't turn the tides. That said, I asume if you think that XBOX has the most and best games as well as 1st party devs, and also the best VR solution out there you might indeed not be able to understand that.

Buying a console should never be because of one reason, of course. But still, it is what people do. Brand loyalty, games, online play, controller, look of a console, niche games and so on. And performance.
Which is really important or the most important we don't know and we can't extrapolate our anecdotal references here, even if it also applies to friends or relatives. All things are part of the equation.

 

[JayhawkerStL]

I still don't understand why MS is marketing this in tandem with X1. I think they should leave the X1 behind and just position Scorpio as their next real system. I would be way more excited for it.

I suspect they will do exactly that come next year's E3. The Scorpio will run all XB1 games, and in many ways just act as an expansion on the One. Developers will even make games that run on both systems in a fashion similar to XB1/360 and PS4/PS3, but it will be clear that the nex box is a new generation.

Microsft is trying to get a redo by ending this gen early, but they are also trying very hard not to stumble into the same mistakes the forced Sega out of the hardware business.

I don't believe the transition publishers will use for XB1 to Scorpio and PS4 to Neo will be any different than any other start of a new generation. Within 2 years, they will largely ignore the current consoles.

 

[c0de]

I don't believe the transition publishers will use for XB1 to Scorpio and PS4 to Neo will be any different than any other start of a new generation. Within 2 years, they will largely ignore the current consoles.

That will depend on how good neo and Scorpio sell. Also keep in mind that Sony said that there will be no neo exclusives.
Also I don't see that at that time at least 70 million customers will be left behind.

 

[Primethius]

Buying a console should never be because of one reason, of course. But still, it is what people do. Brand loyalty, games, online play, controller, look of a console, niche games and so on. And performance.
Which is really important or the most important we don't know and we can't extrapolate our anecdotal references here, even if it also applies to friends or relatives. All things are part of the equation.

You don't need to extraploate and apply annecdotal data when we have three years worth of sales data to analyze for PS4/XB1 alone.

And the first year and a half of PS4/XB1 sales paint a pretty solid picture: price was a huge factor.

But nothing really paints a picture of performance being a notable factor for sales (and sales in fact go against this notion in certains months) aside from it being the thing to talk about on message boards.

 

[c0de]

You don't need to extraploate and apply annecdotal data when we have three years worth of sales data to analyze for PS4/XB1 alone.

And the first year and a half of PS4/XB1 sales paint a pretty solid picture: price was a huge factor.

But nothing really paints a picture of performance being a notable factor for sales (and sales in fact go against this notion in certains months) aside from it being the thing to talk about on message boards.

We can argue back and forth all the day about our opinions but there are people who buy a console because of performance. Do you think that it's not important for certain people to have the console which plays multiplatform games best?

 

[Crayon]

We can argue back and forth all the day about our opinions but there are people who buy a console because of performance. Do you think that it's not important for certain people to have the console which plays multiplatform games best?

A fraction of people. A small fraction. And some reasons you listed like "controller" are not even real issues so i question your analysis. Console sales are motivated by game availability, pricing and marketing power. Hardware performance is a thing but its way down the list.

You could get the idea power is very important if you read a lot of internet the last few years. But its really not or the xb1 would not have been able to sell as well as it has with a 40% deficit.

 

[MilkyJoe]

I still don't understand why MS is marketing this in tandem with X1. I think they should leave the X1 behind and just position Scorpio as their next real system. I would be way more excited for it.

Cements their generation-less future model. It also reassures xbone owners that they are not going to be without games and keeps them on board. So when they are ready to upgrade the message is clear that all their games and purchases go with them. The future is very bright.

 

[Primethius]

We can argue back and forth all the day about our opinions but there are people who buy a console because of performance. Do you think that it's not important for certain people to have the console which plays multiplatform games best?

Sure, I wouldn't argue against that. I just don't think it's a particularly large or even notable share of the market compared to other factors to merit continued discussion as to it being a potential avenue of success for Scorpio.

And if all you meant was that some people buy consoles for performance, no matter how minimal the effect in the grand scheme of console sales, then I apologize. I'm talking of performance simply as a notable factor in the sales success of PS4/XB1 and Scorpio and the generation hasn't shown it to be the case so far.

 

[MilkyJoe]

We can argue back and forth all the day about our opinions but there are people who buy a console because of performance. Do you think that it's not important for certain people to have the console which plays multiplatform games best?

When the ball's in the other court reason fails...


For me it goes

Controller > performance > exclusives.

Exclusive games are the minority of games so if I really had to have a game then I'd buy the console it is exclusive on.

The controller is your entire input to playing the game so is the most important factor imo.

 

[c0de]

Sure, I wouldn't argue against that. I just don't think it's a particularly large or even notable share of the market compared to other factors to merit continued discussion as to it being a potential avenue of success for Scorpio.

And if all you meant was that some people buy consoles for performance, no matter how minimal the effect in the grand scheme of console sales, then I apologize. I'm talking of performance simply as a notable factor in the sales success of PS4/XB1 and Scorpio and the generation hasn't shown it to be the case so far.

As I said earlier, each point is part of the equation why people buy a console.
But as the power argument seems to be more or less important depending on which company has the most powerful console: I remember talking about power when I was still a kid at school. At first it was about Master System and nes, then Genesis against snes, Saturn against psx and then slowly the internet happened, making the talk even broader. News sites report about power differences, YouTube channels do it and they reach more people every day with that.
Again, if this influences the decision in the end, we don't know. But let's not pretend that only a small group knows about the difference, nor that even less care.

 

[JayhawkerStL]

For me, performance is mostly beside the point. The games work on both consoles and are fun to play.

So I consider controller and exclusives to be the prime factors. After that things like keeping the same friends list and Gamerscore are minor factors.

I never regretted getting an XB1 because of that, and will probably be in on the Scorpio for the same reasons. Of course, having 70 games on my XB1 hard drive that will painlessly migrate to the next console doesn't hurt. But it could hurt Microsoft's attempt to lure PS4 gamers over if the Neo does the same.

I have no idea if Scorpio is going to sell well or not. But I feel like it's going to have plenty of games. How far behind the One is had had very little impact on my gaming this gen.

 

[Crayon]

If the xb1 was exactly same spec as ps4 and everything else was stayed as it was, where would they be now? How many more xbones would be sold today?

I think 1 million more. 5% more.

 

[Primethius]

As I said earlier, each point is part of the equation why people buy a console.
But as the power argument seems to be more or less important depending on which company has the most powerful console: I remember talking about power when I was still a kid at school. At first it was about Master System and nes, then Genesis against snes, Saturn against psx and then slowly the internet happened, making the talk even broader. News sites report about power differences, YouTube channels do it and they reach more people every day with that.
Again, if this influences the decision in the end, we don't know. But let's not pretend that only a small group knows about the difference, nor that even less care.

I mean, thats not remotely an argument against what I've said (that power was low on the list of factors that determined the PS4/XB1 gen).

You're largely pointing out annecodatal pieces of evidence while being unable to provide any actual data, especially sales wise, to back up this claim that performance was a notable factor.

And really, I'd have an easier time believing that if the XB1 didn't utterly kick the PS4s ass in November and December of 2014 on virtue of price alone.

There was a $50 gap between XB1 and PS4 and that allowed the XB1 to sell roughly 700k more consoles. Like, holy shit, that number is massive. And this occured in two months after the generation was pretty much won by PS4.

You'd think if power was that big of a factor, it would've stemmed the tide a bit in the face of the $50 price diffrential.

Edit: Crayon, I think it's largely unchanged. Especially if it launches at $500.

 

[c0de]

I mean, thats not remotely an argument against what I've said (that power was low on the list of factors that determined the PS4/XB1 gen).

You're largely pointing out annecodatal pieces of evidence while being unable to provide any actual data, especially sales wise, to back up this claim that performance was a notable factor.

And really, I'd have an easier time believing that if the XB1 didn't utterly kick the PS4s ass in November and December of 2014 on virtue of price alone.

There was a $50 gap between XB1 and PS4 and that allowed the XB1 to sell roughly 700k more consoles. Like, holy shit, that number is massive. And this occured in two months after the generation was pretty much won by PS4.

You'd think if power was that big of a factor, it would've stemmed the tide a bit in the face of the $50 price diffrential.

Edit: Crayon, I think it's largely unchanged. Especially if it launches at $500.

Then please provide data that clearly shows that performance was a complete non argument, ever. Or argue for every other fact. And I mean real proof, without any doubt that it could be coincidence or correlation. A real chain of argumental proof, in a comprehensive way.
I mean, I don't even want to argue how it matters. I argue that power was always talked about and that the audience for that even got bigger and will most likely continue to increase. And that it is part of the equation. There are people trying it to be very important and there are people taking the opposite rule. And again, arguments change with every generation depending on what your preferred brand offers.

 

[Simply Sami]

If the xb1 was exactly same spec as ps4 and everything else was stayed as it was, where would they be now? How many more xbones would be sold today?

I think 1 million more. 5% more.

Xbox would have sold more if they didn't screw around with the always online, used game and other bullshit. It was less powerful and cost more. Forced Kinect on you.

There wasn't just one issue with the Xbox one at launch. It wasn't primary down to power that a lot of users turned their back on them. They screwed up with the XB1 launch. They best hope that they get some of the people they lost for Scorpio and not mix message again.

 

[Crayon]

Xbox would have sold more if they didn't screw around with the always online, used game and other bullshit. It was less powerful and cost more. Forced Kinect on you.

There wasn't just one issue with the Xbox one at launch. It wasn't primary down to power that a lot of users turned their back on them. They screwed up with the XB1 launch. They best hope that they get some of the people they lost for Scorpio and not mix message again.

Did you have a guess for my hypothetical?

 

[Primethius]

Then please provide data that clearly shows that performance was a complete non argument, ever. Or argue for every other fact. And I mean real proof, without any doubt that it could be coincidence or correlation. A real chain of argumental proof, in a comprehensive way.
I mean, I don't even want to argue how it matters. I argue that power was always talked about and that the audience for that even got bigger and will most likely continue to increase. And that it is part of the equation. There are people trying it to be very important and there are people taking the opposite rule. And again, arguments change with every generation depending on what your preferred brand offers.

First of all, I said that power wasn't a notable issue which is different then what you are suggesting.

Second, I've already provided some data. November and December of 2014. Where a cheaper and weaker console (XB1) utterly destroyed the PS4, a stronger console, in sales. By a gigantic margin.

And as I already said, if your only point is that its talked about, I have no intention of arguing with you. I've only stated so far that power has been one of the lowest contributing factors to the PS4s success, such that it's not very notable when the numbers are concerned and that Scorpio isn't going to benefit from an increased focus on power sales wise. If you aren't arguing against that statement, then we should probably stop talking past each other.