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[mjontrix]

All this talk about 3rd parties... Nintendo doesn't need the same games that are on ps4 xboxone. Nintendo has a really good first party, and japanese 3rd party. They just need to open it to indies and it's done.

FIFA/NBA 17/2K17+ on NX - two strangers versing each other. If you've been to any colleges or Universities with PS4s and Xbox One setups you'll consistently see them crowded with FIFA players. Imagine seeing that everywhere you go - it's free marketing for EA and Nintendo.

That can't happen if it's impossible to port over to the NX. What's more mainstream than EA Sports? COD?

If it's at Xbox 1 level or bit below it that'll be fine. If it's too low (Tegra X1) it'll be an uphill battle.

How easy it'll be to convince someone to buy an NX once they've actually experienced it themselves.

 

[Starchasing]

This is Nintendo testing the NX local multiplayer detachable controllers

Tisis all im expecting right now from NX

 

[Haunted]

I think the mixed reactions (from fans) can be explained by their priorities.

I mean, this seems like a really solid direction to go into if you're looking for Nintendo's next handheld. More powerful, still portable, with detachable controllers for a variety of options. Concerns could be a diminished battery life and console games that aren't suited to bite-sized gaming on the go in which handhelds usually excel.

If one is coming from the console side of the fanbase, there's not much to like here - a hybrid means compromise - less power and the fear that games will be designed with bite-sized portable gaming in mind instead of full, sit-down experiences. They'd need to put in some serious additional horsepower to the dock to make it viable as an appropriate big-screen home console experience in 2017.


Making a hybrid seems like Nintendo's gambit to unify and capitalise on both sides of their fanbase, but I think there's a real danger of making at least one, worst case both, unhappy.

 

[brainchild]

I think the mixed reactions (from fans) can be explained by their priorities.

I mean, this seems like a really good value proposition if you're looking for Nintendo's next handheld. More powerful, still portable, with detachable controllers for a variety of options.

But if one is coming from the console side of the fanbase, a hybrid just means "compromise" - less power and the fear that games will be designed with bite-sized portable gaming in mind instead of full, sit-down experiences. They'd need to put in some serious additional horsepower to the dock to make it viable as an appropriate big-screen home console experience in 2017.


Making a hybrid seems like Nintendo's gambit to unify and capitalise on both sides of their fanbase, but I think there's a real danger of losing both instead by compromising.

But this logic only makes sense if you're assuming that a hybrid precludes the possibility of a separate home console, and there is currently zero evidence to support that assumption.

 

[baphomet]

Do you guys remember any other console in gaming history that created so much anticipation (for better or worse)?

Because every drop of information is analyzed as if it was an ocean.

Ps4 and Xbox one were significantly more talked about and anticipated than this.

A good portion of people just want to see the inevitable shit show when it's revealed.

 

[Creamium]

Ps4 and Xbox one were significantly more talked about and anticipated than this.

That's not my impression. I can't remember this amount of speculation/rumours for any console, including Revolution/Wii. I haven't seen anything like it over the years tbh.

 

[Cuburt]

This is Nintendo testing the NX local multiplayer detachable controllers

Tisis all im expecting right now from NX

And the tests conclude limited games would make use of it and you can just use existing controllers rather than have to design the controller to be detachable.

 

[AzaK]

But this logic only makes sense if you're assuming that a hybrid precludes the possibility of a separate home console, and there is currently zero evidence to support that assumption.

Well if we're taking Eurogamer's info as evidence, they stated the NX was a hybrid - that's all. No mention of another standalone console,

 

[brainchild]

That's not my impression. I can't remember this amount of speculation/rumours for any console, including Revolution/Wii. I haven't seen anything like it over the years tbh.

Hahahaha

Your memory must not be very good then. The speculation about Revolution was absolutely off the charts!

 

[Haunted]

But this logic only makes sense if you're assuming that a hybrid precludes the possibility of a separate home console, and there is currently zero evidence to support that assumption.

That is my assumption, yes. The NX is the followup to both the WiiU and the 3DS, unifying their hardware research and software output to a single, hybrid system.

That's not my impression. I can't remember this amount of speculation/rumours for any console, including Revolution/Wii. I haven't seen anything like it over the years tbh.

Nah, the speculation for the Revolution was similar.

Don't forget that the amount of internet reporting is not the same as it was in 2005 and GAF is also much, much larger than it was back then.

 

[120v]

But this logic only makes sense if you're assuming that a hybrid precludes the possibility of a separate home console, and there is currently zero evidence to support that assumption.

i think it's pretty clear it's not happening. somewhere down the line, maybe. but the whole point is "console on the go". anything else would just be confusing, even moreso than than Wii U's pitch

 

[brainchild]

Well if we're taking Eurogamer's info as evidence, they stated the NX was a hybrid - that's all. No mention of another standalone console,

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

We shouldn't expect Eurogamers sources to know everything that Nintendo is working on.

 

[TLZ]

Why?

It actually echoes almost everything Eurogamer said but 2 months earlier. Could be a lucky guess. Probably isn't.

Hmmm, I thought the Brazilian guy was debunked.

So there's some truth to it?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

This is Nintendo testing the NX local multiplayer detachable controllers

Tisis all im expecting right now from NX

Nobody plays this stuff

 

[Starchasing]

And the tests conclude limited games would make use of it and you can just use existing controllers rather than have to design the controller to be detachable.

Nintendo loves to double down in concepts.

This is better because they want everyone to enjoy it, not only those that have additional controllers. That is also why i think you will be able to use phones as controllers using the Nintendo App.

Nobody plays this stuff

because almost no one bought a 350$ console to do that... but if the NX is cheaper as predicted then things will change.

A 150$ handheld base on this concept, that can be used as a local multiplayer home console is something that is in tune with Nintendo line of thought.

 

[Plasmids]

No kidding, this company has been generally awful at everything outside of games. I'm not sure why anyone would rally behind the phone idea anyway, it's not going to happen.

Agreed please please please don't be a phone.

 

[AzaK]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

We shouldn't expect Eurogamers sources to know everything that Nintendo is working on.

But what's more likely

1) Nintendo is only giving devs 1/2 the machines to make their games for
2) Nintendo has given them all they need to make their games for

 

[Creamium]

Hahahaha

Your memory must not be very good then. The speculation about Revolution was absolutely off the charts!

I remember it very well, vr headset mockup included hah.

Nah, the speculation for the Revolution was similar.

Don't forget that the amount of internet reporting is not the same as it was in 2005 and GAF is also much, much larger than it was back then.

Yes I'd say Revolution/NX are close, but I guess you're right that gaf's growth gave NX an extra bump for me. It's just crazy how many mockups/theories we've already seen for this thing.

 

[ASIS]

This is Nintendo testing the NX local multiplayer detachable controllers

Tisis all im expecting right now from NX

If that is really going to be their market advantage then I might just join the "Nintendo is doomed" club. That's thing will flop like nothing before it.

Which is why I don't think it will be anything close to this.

 

[Ansatz]

But this logic only makes sense if you're assuming that a hybrid precludes the possibility of a separate home console, and there is currently zero evidence to support that assumption.

A separate handheld is the more likely scenario though, given the state of the games industry in Japan.

Nintendo is currently in the middle of nowhere, finding themselves in a situation where they must approach either end of the gaming spectrum and mobile is naturally closer to them for many reasons than console AAA.

The only evidence we have is the quote from Ubisoft's CEO stating Nintendo is aiming to recapture lapsed Wii gamers with the NX platform, hence why Just Dance is the only game they announced for it.

 

[brainchild]

That is my assumption, yes. The NX is the followup to both the WiiU and the 3DS, unifying their hardware research and software output to a single, hybrid system.

i think it's pretty clear it's not happening. somewhere down the line, maybe. but the whole point is "console on the go". anything else would just be confusing, even moreso than than Wii U's pitch

A separate handheld is the more likely scenario though, given the state of the games industry in Japan.

Nintendo is currently in the middle of nowhere, finding themselves in a situation where they must approach either end of the gaming spectrum and mobile is naturally closer to them for many reasons than console AAA.

The only evidence we have is the quote from Ubisoft's CEO stating Nintendo is aiming to recapture lapsed Wii gamers with the NX platform, hence why Just Dance is the only game they announced for it.

Iwata has gone on record to suggest the possibilities of multiple form factors for NX, maybe even more than two. Kimishima has gone on record to state that the upcoming NX is not a successor to either Wii U or 3DS.

It is possible that, based on the information above, there will still be official successors to the 3DS and Wii U, and that the current NX will be for consumers interested in both handheld and console style games at a reasonable price point instead of having to buy two separate products. The 3DS successor could be cheaper than the current NX, and the Wii U successor could be more expensive than the current NX, while the library would largely remain the same. These would be for the consumers only interested in one of the products. This approach wouldn't be much different than Apple's line of products where the differentiating factor is the form factor and price, which is something that Iwata has already alluded to.

Nothing about the current rumors contradict anything stated above.

 

[BKSmash]

If that is really going to be their market advantage then I might just joined the "Nintendo is doomed" club. That's thing will flop like nothing before it.

Which is why I don't think it will be anything close to this.

Exactly, this would be the dumbest decision ever.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Nintendo loves to double down in concepts.

This is better because they want everyone to enjoy it, not only those that have additional controllers. That is also why i think you will be able to use phones as controllers using the Nintendo App.



because almost no one bought a 350$ console to do that... but if the NX is cheaper as predicted then things will change.

A 150$ handheld base on this concept, that can be used as a local multiplayer home console is something that is in tune with Nintendo line of thought.

No, nobody wants to play that. They have them games on ipad pro with bigger screen.. nobody still play that stuff for anything more than 3 mins

 

[brainchild]

But what's more likely

1) Nintendo is only giving devs 1/2 the machines to make their games for
2) Nintendo has given them all they need to make their games for

There's no reason to assume that all of the machines are in the same stages of development. Maybe the successors to 3DS and Wii U are still in R&D phase. We don't know.

 

[ASIS]

There is a lot we don't know. People should chill instead of trying to claim Nintendo doomed and it that their next move will fail. You never know how the market will react to a product or device in this situation console or game. Remember splatoon was supposed to be a dud and ended up doing better than anyone could have imagined. Too many things are unknown here is what I can say. Nintendo needs to bring it with software and marketing if they handle those two things this product will succeed.

In all honesty, the fact that we could possibly get an upgraded Wiimote + Nunchuck is making me excited beyond belief. I know that there is a lot of speculation but that is really the only requirement I have that will really sell me on the NX.

I can't wait to see the final product.

 

[Shiggy]

Iwata has gone on record to suggest the possibilities of multiple form factors for NX, maybe even more than two. Kimishima has gone on record to state that the upcoming NX is not a successor to either Wii U or 3DS.

It is possible that, based on the information above, there will still be official successors to the 3DS and Wii U, and that the current NX will be for consumers interested in both handheld and console style games at a reasonable price point instead of having to buy two separate products. The 3DS successor could be cheaper than the current NX, and the Wii U successor could be more expensive than the current NX, while the library would largely remain the same. These would be for the consumers only interested in one of the products. This approach wouldn't be much different than Apple's line of products where the differentiating factor is the form factor and price, which is something that Iwata has already alluded to.

Nothing about the current rumors contradict anything stated above.

Not sure where the benefit lies. A concept with a portable, technologically weaker NX and a home console NX would make it more complicated and expensive for developers. They'd need to optimise their games for two systems. How many studios have done that with new 3DS or DSi? Not particularly many.

And Iwata said a lot, half of that was wishful thinking. At this point, it's better to ignore his words - or do you also believe that Wii U will get software support once NX launched? Kimishima's words would fit into the hybrid line - it's neither a successor to 3DS or Wii U, it's a mix of both.

Official, separate successors to 3DS and Wii U would still be possible. That would just completely destroy the advantages Nintendo would be seeking with a hybrid as separate game development would be needed once again. Unless those "separate" successors are also NX systems. But then what's the advantage of releasing such systems when there's already a low cost hybrid?

 

[KingSnake]

So we're back at more consoles are in development? Because that would make total sense. More R&D costs when investors are still waiting for that magical fiscal year with Nintendo-like profits. Totally logical.

 

[Graphics Horse]

So we're back at more consoles are in development? Because that would make total sense. More R&D costs when investors are still waiting for that magical fiscal year with Nintendo-like profits. Totally logical.

More form factors, eventually, are a given. Nintendo likes to put out a new handheld model every 18 months or so to keep things fresh and I don't see them stopping now. Just don't expect anything further until late 2018-mid 2019.

 

[Haunted]

Iwata has gone on record to suggest the possibilities of multiple form factors for NX, maybe even more than two. Kimishima has gone on record to state that the upcoming NX is not a successor to either Wii U or 3DS.

It is possible that, based on the information above, there will still be official successors to the 3DS and Wii U, and that the current NX will be for consumers interested in both handheld and console style games at a reasonable price point instead of having to buy two separate products. The 3DS successor could be cheaper than the current NX, and the Wii U successor could be more expensive than the current NX, while the library would largely remain the same. These would be for the consumers only interested in one of the products. This approach wouldn't be much different than Apple's line of products where the differentiating factor is the form factor and price, which is something that Iwata has already alluded to.

Nothing about the current rumors contradict anything stated above.

I suppose it's possible that they're planning on making three NX variants (hybrid, handheld NX, console NX), but I honestly find that very unlikely.

 

[KingSnake]

More form factors, eventually, are a given. Nintendo likes to put out a new handheld model every 18 months or so to keep things fresh and I don't see then stopping now.

Eventually, yes. But not before benefiting from this one first. At least two years before a new NX form is my bet.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I was going to post them here too, since I did a small research, but thanks.

EDIT: The tweet with fears put to rest? Here it is

https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758770983406825472

The hype is too real!

 

[Ansatz]

Eventually, yes. But not before benefiting from this one first. At least two years before a new NX form is my bet.

I'm betting the rumored form factor is the high-end version launching alone in March, hoping big hitters like BotW will carry it until November when they release a cheaper, standalone handheld for the mass market.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I was going to post them here too, since I did a small research, but thanks.

EDIT: The tweet with fears put to rest? Here it is

https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758770983406825472

Who the heck is that now?

 

[mStudios]

Who the heck is that now?

User NathanDrake

 

[Shiggy]

I was going to post them here too, since I did a small research, but thanks.

EDIT: The tweet with fears put to rest? Here it is

https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/758770983406825472

Who's that person? His Twitter timeline doesn't reveal any previous insights. Did he reveal any scoops before?

 

[Roo]

Who the heck is that now?

NateDrake here in GAF


Edit: nice edit, Shiggy. Totally not jumping to conclusion.

 

[brainchild]

Not sure where the benefit lies. A concept with a portable, technologically weaker NX and a home console NX would make it more complicated and expensive for developers. They'd need to optimise their games for two systems. How many studios have done that with new 3DS or DSi? Not particularly many.

And Iwata said a lot, half of that was wishful thinking. At this point, it's better to ignore his words - or do you also believe that Wii U will get software support once NX launched? Kimishima's words would fit into the hybrid line - it's neither a successor to 3DS or Wii U, it's a mix of both.

Official, separate successors to 3DS and Wii U would still be possible. That would just completely destroy the advantages Nintendo would be seeking with a hybrid as separate game development would be needed once again. Unless those "separate" successors are also NX systems. But then what's the advantage of releasing such systems when there's already a low cost hybrid?

No, it's not best to ignore what Iwata said, because Nintendo's continued strategy for the NX (and the overall future of Nintendo) is based on what Iwata has said, as Kimishima has already made very clear by now.

Anyway, I could just as easily point out the confusion for consumers in Apple's lineup, but ultimately it works out for Apple because they unify their products with a cohesive OS across all Apple devices. Again, Iwata has expressed that this is the direction that Nintendo is headed in.

At a base minimum, some developers could design games for the NX OS as a platform and not specifically for one device, while other developers could do the opposite. The choice would be left up to the developers.

As for the purpose of multiple SKUs, you could ask the same question about all the different versions of the DS and 3DS on the market. They all have their own differentiating factors and it's good to give consumers options.

So we're back at more consoles are in development? Because that would make total sense. More R&D costs when investors are still waiting for that magical fiscal year with Nintendo-like profits. Totally logical.

At least my comments are based on evidence that comes directly from Nintendo instead of some warped logic about what armchair analysts think Nintendo SHOULD be doing.

 

[KingSnake]

I'm betting the rumored form factor is the high-end version launching alone in March, hoping big hitters like BotW will carry it until November when they release a cheaper, standalone handheld for the mass market.

The same handheld that is in the hybrid? That could be as a separate SKU from day one for whoever wants just that.

 

[Starchasing]

If that is really going to be their market advantage then I might just join the "Nintendo is doomed" club. That's thing will flop like nothing before it.

Which is why I don't think it will be anything close to this.

No, nobody wants to play that. They have them games on ipad pro with bigger screen.. nobody still play that stuff for anything more than 3 mins

From the article

"At a really basic level, NX is effectively a reversal of the Wii U GamePad concept. It's a fully integrated mobile games machine you can plug into an HDTV, as opposed to a console with a semi-portable gaming component,
bolstered with a unique 'go anywhere' take on local multiplayer."

That gimmick is what makes the NX different from phones or tables.

 

[KingSnake]

At least my comments are based on evidence that comes directly from Nintendo instead of some warped logic about what Nintendo SHOULD be doing.

False. You're extrapolating a possibility as a given. Also Iwata didn't give any timeline for when multiple factors MIGHT happen.

 

[Genio88]

Let's face it, i'm into this NX, though if that's really all it has then it's gonna be tough for it to do better than WiiU and 3DS, this console just like WiiU could appeal to Nintendo fanbase and a few gamers, but i think most gamers will be fine with their Ps4/XB1 or PC, while casual gamers will prefer to play on their smartphones and tablets in mobility.
I hope it'll do well enough though i can already call that it won't be even close to Nintendo Wii or DS success

 

[Shiggy]

NateDrake here in GAF


Edit: nice edit, Shiggy. Totally not jumping to conclusion.

So did he provide any info before? Because without any other information it just looks like attention whoring.

No, it's not best to ignore what Iwata said, because Nintendo's continued strategy for the NX (and the overall future of Nintendo) is based on what Iwata has said, as Kimishima has already made very clear by now.

Iwata hasn't really said a lot on NX to be fair. Point still stands though, it's better to be very cautious when it comes to his statements. Iwata was a man of words, not of actions.

Anyway, I could just as easily point out the confusion for consumers in Apple's lineup, but ultimately it works out for Apple because they unify their products with a cohesive OS across all Apple devices. Again, Iwata has expressed that this is the direction that Nintendo is headed in.

Do you think gamers will upgrade their system every 2 years? Could be that Nintendo is trying that, I personally however doubt that this would be a successful path.

At a base minimum, some developers could design games for the NX OS as a platform and not specifically for one device, while other developers could do the opposite. The choice would be left up to the developers.

That is only likely for niche titles as it would significantly limit the audience. Not everyone will own all different NX systems. That's also why we have only got a handful of new 3DS exclusives.

As for the purpose of multiple SKUs, you could ask the same question about all the different versions of the DS and 3DS on the market. They all have their own differentiating factors and it's good to give consumers options.

For Apple devices, the games are all more or less the same, aren't they?

True, they are more or less the same system with the same games. A separate console NX would not really add value when the base hybrid NX can already do the same. Not saying that this won't happen, but I would not really see that console-only NX as a separate system as it would still share the same library and just be a "hybrid NX minus portability".

 

[brainchild]

False. You're extrapolating a possibility as a given. Also Iwata didn't give any timeline for when multiple factors MIGHT happen.

It's not false. I never said that my statements were objectively true, just that they are based on evidence (not proof) directly from Nintendo. In other words, that evidence is the basis of my claims (instead of just pulling out of my ass). Iwata's statements would be that direct evidence. And yes, I'm extrapolating scenarios based on that evidence, but that doesn't make the statements false.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

User NathanDrake

NateDrake here in GAF


Edit: nice edit, Shiggy. Totally not jumping to conclusion.

I thought that was him.. thats his name on youtube. I thought it was an account using his name earlier.

From the article

"At a really basic level, NX is effectively a reversal of the Wii U GamePad concept. It's a fully integrated mobile games machine you can plug into an HDTV, as opposed to a console with a semi-portable gaming component,
bolstered with a unique 'go anywhere' take on local multiplayer."

That gimmick is what makes the NX different from phones or tables.

Which you can do with tablets

 

[KingSnake]

Iwata's statement from 2014 once again:

"Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment."

 

[orioto]

Which you can do with tablets

You can play local multi with two pads and motion control on a tablet ?

 

[Shiggy]

You can play local multi with two pads and motion control on a tablet ?

Why wouldn't this be possible?

 

[sfried]

Hmm...

Does AMD have any ARM related chips out in the works by any chance?

 

[Graphics Horse]

Still not convinced by the multiplayer portable aspect of this.
The screen needs to be very big if that's meant to be a big draw, not many will want to do multiplayer, especially split screen, huddled up in front of a 6 inch screen.

 

[Ansatz]

The same handheld that is in the hybrid? That could be as a separate SKU from day one for whoever wants just that.

In that case we're no longer dealing with a hybrid, but a bundle pack.