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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!

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via 538:

One poll made a pretty big difference in our forecast today -- so what's the deal?

http://53eig.ht/2b5ezx2 http://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/763528303047282688/photo/1

The deal is your model sucks, Nate.

There’s another, more subtle dimension to this also, which is that Selzer hasn’t polled the general election very often this year. (Just the three national polls so far.) The trend line adjustment is therefore designed to give a lot of weight to a Selzer poll whenever it weighs in. By contrast, it gives less weight to any given poll from a pollster that surveys the race frequently, such as by conducting a national tracking poll.1

This makes no sense to me. Why would you weight an infrequent pollster more heavily than a pollster that is consistently in the field? Especially since there is no way Hillary was up 12 points in June...and then using a poll from March that had her +18 to determine a trendline based on 3 polls is really stupid to me.
 
via 538:

One poll made a pretty big difference in our forecast today -- so what's the deal?

http://53eig.ht/2b5ezx2 http://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/763528303047282688/photo/1

The deal is your model sucks, Nate.

Uhh yea, the two points only look like that because the other poll was from two months ago. You can't say it's a downward trend because there's a huge hole in the data.

For example, this is probably what it looks more like
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For all we know, this could be a 15 point bounce in the Bloomberg poll. But we don't know. That's the point.
 
Sopan Deb ‏@SopanDeb 3m3 minutes ago

Huckabee says he's more afraid of a Clinton presidency than a "mosquito bite" in South Florida. A Zika joke.
 

Retro

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Why would we assume that?

I dunno. I mean, I can't even say "Maybe the GOP will look at what they've become and change" with a straight face, but maybe there's a chance a huge loss for Trump will result in the more radical elements of the party breaking away?

I can't imagine after the beating they take this year that they'll be dumb enough to let someone like Trump gain traction in the party again. But then again, after Romney got stomped you had pundits saying "we need to change, we need to target emerging demographics" and we saw how that turned out.
 

Dierce

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So what is the reason for why orange turd has not yet started airing ads as much as Clinton? Is he just saving all the money for the last month or two? Is that something to be worried about?
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Sopan Deb ‏@SopanDeb 3m3 minutes ago

Huckabee says he's more afraid of a Clinton presidency than a "mosquito bite" in South Florida. A Zika joke.

So glad this man is fading into irrelevance.
 
But, seriously, can someone explain to me why a non-frequent poll would be weighted a lot more than a frequent pollster? I get not giving as much weight to a tracking poll, but seriously...Anyone?
 
So what is the reason for why orange turd has not yet started airing ads as much as Clinton? Is he just saving all the money for the last month or two? Is that something to be worried about?

Probably dumping all of that organizing his spectacle rallies.
 

DrForester

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It's so refreshing to see only one single light blue sate.

And hilarious to see that the one state is Georgia.



edit: And even more hilarious to see there are only 4 dark red states (with a grand total of 25 Electoral votes).
 
I dunno. I mean, I can't even say "Maybe the GOP will look at what they've become and change" with a straight face, but maybe there's a chance a huge loss for Trump will result in the more radical elements of the party breaking away?

I can't imagine after the beating they take this year that they'll be dumb enough to let someone like Trump gain traction in the party again. But then again, after Romney got stomped you had pundits saying "we need to change, we need to target emerging demographics" and we saw how that turned out.

The problem is with the GOP electorate and I don't see how they fix it. Pundits and party elite will talk and write papers about what needs to happen, but in 4 years we are going to be looking at Presumptive Nominee Curt Schilling.
 

Crisco

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But seriously, how long can Trump go without running ads before donors start wondering wtf he's doing with all that money? Do they really think he's above funneling all that cash into his businesses and just walking away?
 
@ppppolls Why not a Republican happiness level?..

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls 1h1 hour ago

Because I can't differentiate the Republicans who want Trump to do bad from the ones who want him to do well

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@SopanDeb 7m7 minutes ago
Trump: "ISIS is honoring President Obama. He is the founder of ISIS. He is the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder! He founded ISIS!"

coolcoolcool
Huh.. That's interesting. /s

@ppppolls Why not a Republican happiness level?..

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls 1h1 hour ago

Because I can't differentiate the Republicans who want Trump to do bad from the ones who want him to do well

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:jnc
 
But seriously, how long can Trump go without running ads before donors start wondering wtf he's doing with all that money? Do they really think he's above funneling all that cash into his businesses and just walking away?

He's basically been doing that the entire time. He charges his campaign for use of everything he owns. Between the first of the year and April he charged his campaign like $6 million dollars for the use of Trump Towers, his ugly ass house in Florida, etc.

Plus, the guy who owns the company who makes those "Make America Great Again" hats is on the board of directors for one of Trump's kids charity foundations.

There's no doubt that a big part of this campaign is a fucking scam.
 
But seriously, how long can Trump go without running ads before donors start wondering wtf he's doing with all that money? Do they really think he's above funneling all that cash into his businesses and just walking away?

You know he'll try to do it. Get as much money as possible and book it before the election is over.
 

KHarvey16

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But, seriously, can someone explain to me why a non-frequent poll would be weighted a lot more than a frequent pollster? I get not giving as much weight to a tracking poll, but seriously...Anyone?

The less or more frequent polls are weighted differently with respect to the trend line adjustment. In other words, a more frequent poll's trend has less of an effect on the overall numbers than a less frequent poll does.
 

Retro

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The problem is with the GOP electorate and I don't see how they fix it.

That's what I'm saying though; maybe the "Trump faction" of the electorate blames the more moderate (by comparison) elements of the party for the loss and break away, leaving a GOP that's (again, in comparison to Trump) less insane.

I don't see it happening either, but there's always a chance.
 

itschris

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Noah Gray CNN
‏@NoahGrayCNN

Trump crowd in sunrise FL has changed their "lock her up" chants to "lock them up," referring to the press, after Trump criticizing press

https://twitter.com/NoahGrayCNN/status/763535971010879488

Ah, how refreshing, calls to jail journalists.

EDIT: The crowd at today's rally seems very riled up:

Arden Farhi
‏@ArdenFarhi

Trump rally attendee spilled drink on a protestor being led out of the arena. Visuals by @CBSNews Darrall Johnson.

https://twitter.com/ArdenFarhi/status/763538860861190144

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It's so refreshing to see only one single light blue sate.

And hilarious to see that the one state is Georgia.



edit: And even more hilarious to see there are only 4 dark red states (with a grand total of 25 Electoral votes).
Make no mistake. AZ and SC will turn blue also come Nov. It's going to be glorious.
 
That's what I'm saying though; maybe the "Trump faction" of the electorate blames the more moderate (by comparison) elements of the party for the loss and break away, leaving a GOP that's (again, in comparison to Trump) less insane.

I don't see it happening either, but there's always a chance.


I think the GOP's only hope is to move to the left, just as the democrats moved to the right with Bill in '92. I get the feeling the democratic party is going to look more like Bernie than Hillary in the near future, so I think the GOP should make a play for the Joe Manchin, blue dog types and scrape off the alt-right crowd in the process. It's their only hope to ever hold the presidency again.
 

Diablos

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Senate candidate and former Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland (D) apologized Wednesday for saying the death of Supreme Court Associate Justice Antonin Scalia “happened at a good time” for labor unions.
What a dumbass thing to say as a senate candidate
He's going to lose isn't he
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
I have the opportunity to help operate a friend's phone bank as part of the Hillary GOTV operation in Ohio. Is this useful volunteer work or do people just treat you like telemarketers? I want to help but it sounds like it has the potential to be very awkward and contentious.
 

The Republicans’ big gerrymander could backfire in a major way


This unusual election year, however, raises another possibility: the very strategy that Republicans used to secure Congress could backfire. Their “great gerrymander” could become another “great dummymander.”

Winning by drawing marginal districts

After the 2010 Census, the Republican Party put in motion its plan to redraw congressional districts more favorable to conservative candidates. Whereas bipartisan gerrymandering creates safe districts for both parties, the GOP undertook partisan gerrymandering, which packs the other party’s voters into as few districts as possible and spreads out the gerrymandering party’s voters across many districts, each of which that party can win but often by uncomfortably narrow margins.

Pennsylvania illustrates this strategy. In the 2012 election, Democratic congressional candidates won about 75,000 more votes than did Republican candidates, but the GOP captured 13 of 18 seats. Four of the five Democratic districts had been packed with Democratic voters. The safest of these districts scored D+38 on the Cook Report’s Partisan Voter Index (PVI), which means that voters in this district backed President Obama in 2008-2012 by 38 percentage points more than the national electorate.

By contrast, the GOP currently holds four marginal districts, rated as R+2, R+1, or Even. Another six GOP districts are R+5 or R+6. The remaining three are R+9 or higher.

The Pennsylvania pattern holds up nationally, where the GOP holds numerous marginal districts. The chart below shows PVI ratings for all of the GOP’s House seats. Republicans hold 37 districts rated R+2 or lower and 18 at R+3 or R+4, for a total of 55 marginal districts. Democrats, by contrast, hold half as many.

If the Trump collapse and Clinton surge continue, they could reveal the perils of partisan redistricting. That strategy created so many marginal Republican districts that if the GOP loses the bulk of the seats at or below R+2, it would also lose its congressional majority. A catastrophe that claimed every GOP seat at or below R+4 would bring the GOP caucus close to the size of today’s House Democrats.
 
I have the opportunity to help operate a friend's phone bank as part of the Hillary GOTV operation in Ohio. Is this useful volunteer work or do people just treat you like telemarketers? I want to help but it sounds like it has the potential to be very awkward and contentious.

It's a lot of fun. You get a lot of no answers this early in the cycle. Usually, though, you're speaking to people who already lean towards Hillary. People aren't usually that rude. Worst thing I've ever gotten is people who say "I'm voting for her, leave me alone." I've never been cussed out or yelled at or anything too bad.

The numbers are from known/likely supporters, usually. Give it a shot. It can help a lot, and if you hate it, you don't have to do it again. You can find other ways to help. :)
 
Hopefully the down ballot vote helps him

The problem is Portman has done enough (coming out for gay marriage after his son said he was gay, working with Sherrod Brown on tariffs to punish companies that were dumping product in the U.S.) that it's harder to paint him as being just like every other Republican in the Senate. He comes off as just less of a bad guy enough to squeak by.
 

Emarv

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Owzers

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So, who's making the thread once we get video?


It's a nice attempt by Trump, but I don't think that's going to get the assassination comments buried.

This entire Trump campaign needs to be done with already. If Trump loses i hope i don't see any of these surrogates on tv again.
 
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