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Playstation Plus increasing in price to $59.99 usd/$69.99 cad starting Sept 22
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VanCityGamer
Member
Got two more years via Costco.ca for $40 each! I'm good til Nov/2018!
But they're $46 each on Costco.ca?
I never liked the whole paying for a service like this when it's free for PC for both Xbox Live and PS Plus.
I've already accepted it and now that I actually have a career with a good paying job, I'm not sure how much a $10 price increase (That's .83 a month over 12 months) matters to me.'
It's like sort of as dumb as the people who will wait months for a game to drop to $10 when it's been at $15 forever. If you were really wanting to play it for months, it's stupid wait that long just to save $5.
If this happened when I was at College, I don't think I'd care much either. High school, maybe it would be a different story?
Even if you don't play all of the PS Plus games every month, out of 12 months, I feel that most gamers including me are bound to find at least a couple of games they enjoy. Rocket League was definitely the main for that. In my case there are still a ton of strong indie games I haven't been able to play, but between NBA 2K16, Resogun, MGS, Rocket League, Transistor and Furi, PS Plus has definitely been worth it this year for me.
Besides, I'm going to assuming that most people in this thread do it wrong, by now using sites like Slickdeals.net and just buying Xbox Live/PS Plus cards when they are on sale for $40ish.
EDIT: Holy shit at the first few pages of this thread, lol...
I think people need to re-evaluate costs here. Again we're talking about .83 month a more... for an item that regularly goes on sale for $40 - $45. If it's a principle thing about Sony not delivering on the quality of PSN, I can understand that argument.
I've already accepted it and now that I actually have a career with a good paying job, I'm not sure how much a $10 price increase (That's .83 a month over 12 months) matters to me.'
It's like sort of as dumb as the people who will wait months for a game to drop to $10 when it's been at $15 forever. If you were really wanting to play it for months, it's stupid wait that long just to save $5.
If this happened when I was at College, I don't think I'd care much either. High school, maybe it would be a different story?
Even if you don't play all of the PS Plus games every month, out of 12 months, I feel that most gamers including me are bound to find at least a couple of games they enjoy. Rocket League was definitely the main for that. In my case there are still a ton of strong indie games I haven't been able to play, but between NBA 2K16, Resogun, MGS, Rocket League, Transistor and Furi, PS Plus has definitely been worth it this year for me.
Besides, I'm going to assuming that most people in this thread do it wrong, by now using sites like Slickdeals.net and just buying Xbox Live/PS Plus cards when they are on sale for $40ish.
EDIT: Holy shit at the first few pages of this thread, lol...
I think people need to re-evaluate costs here. Again we're talking about .83 month a more... for an item that regularly goes on sale for $40 - $45. If it's a principle thing about Sony not delivering on the quality of PSN, I can understand that argument.
DISSESHOWEDO
Banned
Completely agree. Seems to me that alot of the posts here are made by people who still leave with their parents and people who live outsdide of the US but "love" to share their opinion on Sony. Also i see alot of xone users posting here, wonder how they felt during the ps3/x360 gen?
Chairmanchuck
Member
Hey. I think we could actually raise the price of games by 10$ now, because its not that big of a price hike. I earn money so I can pay for the games.
Must be people living with their parents that are mad about it or Xbox fans....
/s
Caayn
Member
I have no intention at the moment to renew my XBL sub, just as I did with my PS+ sub last year. I'm slowly transitioning to PC.
lazer_bean
Member
Nope.
Thinking about it now, if Sony lost billions during the ps3 generation, I would blame hardware for it.
We don't know that the online service (free PSN) contributed to it.
Or do you ? How much money is Sony still losing on free PSN on ps3 then ?
I could be wrong but, as I said in my previous post, I doubt it costs Sony a fortune.
The network (free or not) is also used to sell games so running and maintaining it seems unlikely to cost more than what Sony makes from it.
One might say that Sony are being generous when they let us access the Store for free but I think it's the least they can do. And should do regarding MP in games.
I wonder, how did you feel during said gen? Did the free vs not free online help you with your purchase decision?
Mr. PlayStation
Member
"I am a f****n nobody John", why don't you fill me in!
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
You even admitted that possibly their profit margins on their digital game sales (for a lot of the generation they allowed you to share the game up to 5 times) were possibly thin ... because those profits had been eaten by setup, operation, maintenance, and improvement costs of the network.
Things are not great when you leave money on the table and/or when your profit margins are eaten by operation costs.
We may not have the exact figure Sony spent to create PSN from scratch, fix it up shortly before launch, and operate and maintain it for the duration of the entire generation and across consoles (and for the development of the PC side store)... but it was not peanuts.
Also, while it may have helped having PSN free, it was quite possibly not going to make a difference in people getting a PS4 over an Xbox One. PSN sales as well as PSN+ free games have been good IMHO: actually providing a lot of indies for PS4 is not a bad move for the market's health as it exposes more people to great games they may not have noticed or given a chance to due to the fact those games had lower marketing and overall budget and were not sold by AAA publishers... PS4 gained in diversity of content which is one of the great aspects of PlayStation consoles.
John Wick
Member
What planet do you live on? 5-7 years? I only bought GTX970 2014 and now I'm already looking to buy a GTX 1080 but not at the prices Nvidia currently want. I'll wait and buy at a reasonable price. Anyone who's into PC gaming doesn't upgrade their GPU every 5-7 years.
Did Nvidia explain why the new cards are selling above the RRP? Or that founders card rip-off???
Or why the equivalent previous cards were cheaper?
derExperte
Member
Lots of people not affected seem to be fine with the price raise. Let's hope it comes to Europe soon so we can show Sony our support. But first someone please explain what I did wrong when moving out, for some reason that didn't grant me limitless spending power.
Since there is no explanation of any kind I'll go with 'no' for now, though someone hinted at something coming down the line which might change that.
Roto Prime
Banned
Is this a fair price increase?
lazer_bean
Member
I admit that free PSN may not be profitable only because we don't know the costs for Sony or what it makes them... It doesn't mean that I don't think it is profitable, as I mentioned in my previous posts.
The network (PSN) wasn't built from scratch for PS3 as Sony built upon the online network they had for PS2. You seem to think that Sony doesn't actually make money from their network (or little) because it costs so much to build/run/maintain. Without numbers, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.
Lastly, you imply that PS+ is somehow responsible for diversity on PS4. PS+ wasn't on previous PS consoles so I don't see your point (those libraries were diverse as well). Yes, PS+ actually was on PS3 but it was a lot of AAA games unlike now and that didn't affect diversity in the slightest. In fact, following your logic, the PS3 shouldn't be as diverse as it is.
sechsterangriff
Member
I imagine exchange rates are eating into their bottom line. The strong yen has been a problem for Japanese exports for a while. Lots of Japanese companies are increasing prices in US and Europe too because of it, for example Cannon and Nikon all increased their prices recently.
Portugeezer
Member
Sure... so if/when the exchange rates are good for them they will lower prices...
Anyway, $10 more isn't a huge deal, but I hope to see them continue to improve the service frequently. Right now it's just price increase for more money, and they already make a shitload from PS+.
Papacheeks
Banned
So you were this outraged at Microsoft couple years back for increasing their prices on x box live back when u needed it to just use Facebook/YouTube without games with gold right?
I was looking at the PS+ games I have installed on my PS3, and they were showing an expiry date of 6/6/17, even though I extended my PS+ subscription by two years from that last week.
By going into the transaction list, selecting download for games like Demon's Souls and XCOM, then immediately stopping the download, it fixed the expiry date for those games.
By going into the transaction list, selecting download for games like Demon's Souls and XCOM, then immediately stopping the download, it fixed the expiry date for those games.
I let my Xbox Live Gold sub expire in early 2013, and the worst part was the ESPN app was still locked behind the paywall back then, along with NetFlix and other regular apps. They made it available to everyone the next year
http://www.geekwire.com/2014/xbox-owners-can-now-access-180-apps-free/
but then it stopped working properly for me, and finally they shut it down.
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Hmm. It might actually be worth getting a Xbox One S this Black Friday just for the ESPN app....
Hamster Plugin
Member
Microsoft's online fee has always been bullshit, and it's the reason I originally went with PS3 over Xbox 360.
I did end up subscribing to PS Plus after they gave a free month after the 2011 PSN hack. The Plus game in that time period was Burnout Paradise, and I didn't mind paying 50 a year to get a steady supply of great games! Better deal than Live Gold, because I'm already playing online for free anyway.
Then the value of Plus plummeted to utter shit on the PS4 gen as they decided to hold online play hostage behind Plus, just like Live Gold. People were no longer subscribing for the games, they were subscribing to play online. Sony isn't even putting in any effort in their Plus catalogue any more - maybe they were trying with Tropico and NBA (full-price games) but we went back down the shitter with the August garbage.
I have Plus till January 2018 now, and I'm finishing up whatever PS4 games I have (still gotta do Dark Souls 3 DLC, need online for that). I'm no longer buying new PS4 games though as I'm transitioning to full-time PC gaming. If Sony thinks they can do a price hike with the current status of the Plus library, I'm gone.
Caayn
Member
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Do we know when Sept games will be announced? I'm sure that might sway people one way or another.
um yea people get outraged when companies randomly hike prices without adding anything worthwhile to the service in return
ofc theres always a few company asslickers who defend shitty practices but what can you do
Papacheeks
Banned
What ever, I just think the grabbing your pitchfork mentality is BS. If people don't like it and are fed up go on the proper channels. PS Blog, PS forums, create a open dialogue via twitter to get them to notice.
If enough people are outraged they will change it or address it in some way. Al I see is Ire towards a company when yes Microsoft did this like years ago. PS prices have been the same for like 6 years.
They have double to triple the amount of traffic on their servers, and have more overhead cost's associated with the PS4 because of it sending high red pics, videos, streams over their network to either be in cloud storage, or send via twitch, youtube, ustream.
They are not the company Microsoft is, which is why we have unlimited cloud storage and azure server's for games. Part of Microsoft is offering those services to companies, and is why it's a bigger part of their backbone in the server OS industry.
Playstation's has Sony who don't even make PC's anymore, and barley make any profit outside of their gaming division. Steam has other ways of making money, and keeping people within their game platform. PSN is not a platform, it's a storefront. Steam has trading and buying of items/characters for counter strike GO, dota along with getting a cut for a lot of greenlight games.
Steam also don't have as many people using streaming directly through steam's OS. Most people are using dedicated devices that do the recording and send it to youtube,twitch.
I don't see steam handling game recordings over their server and cloud storing it.
All that shit cost's money, and Sony isn't a tech giant like Microsoft, or a Game client like steam.
So if your panties are really in a twist about it since PS4 might be some peoples main go to for online play and what not then voice your opinion on the proper channels directed at Sony, and not commenting with pitchfork post's.
Not being a company asslicker, just wanting people who disagree and are put off by these price hikes to take them to the proper channels. Having the grab our torches and pitch form mentality never really goes any where unless directed towards the actual source. Like DRM was a big deal way back, so people spoke up and went through proper channels and got Microsoft in the crosshairs. SAME CAN be done about SOny if enough people want to change it.
But to not understand it's a business, and console's are not the free form of PC, you kind of have to understand what it takes money wise to maintain lot's of traffic. If I could show you what we pay at my TV station for server's and contracts to have CBS all access streaming as, along with the fiber projects you would shit yourself. And we are small as fuck. Shit costs money. There is a lot of traffic over 40 Million users online, possibly streaming, recording videoes, high res screenshots, all uploading them along with game data, streaming games and what not. That all goes through Sony's server's first before they go to their correct channels and domains. Either it be youtube or what ever.
Poor, poor Sony. Truly, they are the working man's gaming company. Not a "tech company" like Microsoft. Nor a game client like Steam. No, they are the true underdogs of gaming! We are truly blessed.
Yeah this isn't what his post is implying at all, he is rightly stating that Sony's infrastructure is under strain due to a large volume of traffic so have increased their prices to be able to continue to deliver the quality of serice they do atm. I understand people getting pissed off at prices going up but i also understand prices going up, especially when they have stayed the same for 6 years. It's a business at the end of the day not a charity.
That makes very little sense. The money they spent on bandwidth and servers per additional customer is in no way ever going to remotely reach even the previous fee, never mind the new one. Also, the distinction the previous poster makes between a "game client" like Steam and PSN is immaterial in this regard.
The reason they increased the cost is because they can, not because they have to.
Papacheeks
Banned
Somebody get;s it.
Yea Like I said I was using my station as a small example, but our internet speed goes to a crawl when we have HD spots, news people uploading HD packages, that are 2gb plus because of the codec we use currently. Imagine 100 people taking their gamepay recordings and uploading them, each are 15 minute or more. My 15 minute gampley i had of me beasting on hard difficult in Last of us was like over a gig, but upload took some time. Imagine over 1,000 people uploading, now imagine 10,000, now imagine 20, and so on.
It kills network unless you have a baller infrastructure which MICROSOFT has, and to some extent steam, but not for uploading HD content, and not in a way that is as easy as hitting button on a controller.
Howe so and explain?
This price hike is only for the Americas because that part of the world hasn't caught up to SIEE and SIEJA territories in terms of pricing.
Like for example, for the longest time even though the Canadian dollar plummeted, Sony kept the price of PS+ on par with the US price, even though $49 CAD is like $38 USD currently.
If they were going to raise the price everywhere they would have made multiple announcements around the same time, and they didn't.
I'm not trying to defend the price hike though, I do agree that Plus became garbage during the PS4 era and I say this as someone who has never used Plus until yesterday. And I purchased two years worth as well, and I've never purchased plus in the past.
It seems you are a bit confused:
2 or 3x more the strain on servers? That also means 2 or 3x buying their products in the first place. Crappy excuse.
Sony doesnt handle streaming at all. All the options you have to stream from a PS4 go through external services. Not a single streaming is hosted by PSN. Steam actually provides hosting provided by them.
High res screenshots ? You cant put them on Sony servers either! You need put them on external services or bring it over USB. The best thing you can do with Sony's own servers is sharing it to a group. Thats breaking ridiculous ! Steam offers you full 16GB of screenshot storage on THEIR OWN servers, in a proper activity feed, and properly organizes them , you share them and have them display on your profile.
Steam has more people using it and uploading more data. This is a fact.
Greenlight entry fee is only 100$. Its also not given to Valve btw. Its given to charity!
Papacheeks
Banned
You can upload your recordings to ps cloud. That is theirs.
JrBaconCheeseburger
Member
I am hoping with this price increase it is just as good as Xbox Live eventually.
Xbox Live > PSN
Xbox Live > PSN
binarymelon
Member
I'm not sure any of that is true. im pretty sure you just stream directly to the YouTube, twitch, etc. Similarly for any shared images and videos.
I think the only thing hosted by Sony is your friends list and the party chat servers, oh and trophies.
Edit: and cloud saves...and I'm sure a couple other things I'm forgetting.
paperspace
Member
You have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop.
binarymelon
Member
We really shouldn't be too harsh on people for this type of misunderstanding. This is what MS and Sony have purposefully led people to believe for the last few years.
Papacheeks
Banned
Actually that was my bad, as I have it set to auto upload, and didn't releaize I had my old unused youtube account set for where it was going.
For some reason I thought after I saved a clip outside of local storage it was being uploaded to cloud.
Thanks for the correction.
Vade
Member
This is the absolute truth when PS+ was different from Xbox live, when they had to earn your money rather than forcing your hand, the service shined. No dedicated servers ect. just pay to play 50% of your games or more if you are just a multiplayer guy/gal.
Papacheeks
Banned
Yea, I was corrected and checked my PS4 I remoted and checked that I had auto on for my recording to go to an old youtube account I haven't used since my podcast days. I thought for some reason they were going straight to Cloud, which is not the case it's only game data to what people and the site says.
I apologize.
ChaoticBlue
Member
jubeininja here friend.
i hope to see you online more. sf5 or kof 14 casuals maybe??? lol
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I am not sure they had anything compared to what they shipped with PS3 (I remember my FFXI HDD+network adapter combo fondly actually), not even close. They had some games with online support, see SOCOM and FFXI, but no real global account system, no store, etc... Also, according to the grapevine Sony had to enlist a lot of internal tech experts to fix PSN to be even able to launch with the PS3
... and compared to those days PSN has added a lot more features (so yes, they invested quite a bit).Also, I am not saying that Sony does not actually make money, I am saying that their profit margins from their store would be a lot lower if they had to keep a free PSN service going and considering that MS gets people to pay for Xbox Live Gold it would mean that Sony would be leaving a potentially big amount of money on the table had they kept PSN free.
Again, you miss my actual point. My fault, I will try to word things better.
I am not saying that, PS1 had a diverse ecosystem without a store at all. I am saying that giving out also a lot of A and AA games (read indie games) is helping the ecosystem. It is helping those smaller games to reach customers that they may have not reached before thus making the platform feel more diverse to those customers too.
Portugeezer
Member
Show me the outrage? Not outraged here at all, I just find the exchange rate reason I replied to to be bad.