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Digital Foundry: Rise of the Tomb Raider PS4 Pro vs PC 4K
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DreadfulOmen
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Do you know if its real hdr, or just accepting hdr and remapping it to sdr? Kinda like how 720p tvs could accept a 1080p signal.
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ShutterMunster
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It's only going to work on HDR TVs.
Well MP is why COD sells and BO3 runs at solid 60 there.
This is the box for the hardcore
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mc8wgL
PSPro is not bad for $400, but the upgrade just seems a bit meh. I'd prefer them targeting 1080p60 instead of doing this whole subnative 4k or whatever its called.
As far as I know it's true HDR, of course that won't matter for owners of 1080p sets (because 1080p sets don't and won't support HDR), but 4K HRD owners should notice a difference in games that support it.
When they asked the Xbox people, they were super confused.
Basically. "Hmmm. How the fuck is that going to work?"
It's for PS4 Professionals
You can compare almost anything in short term and long term.
Usually cheap and bad items have good value for short term but if you buy quality item from start you will have it for many times longer than that bad item so it pays itself back plus you have better experience all that time.
So yes you can.
You can throw medium amount of money to get console every few years to have medium experience.
Or you can throw high amount of money once to have superior experience and after that whatever amount you want for whatever experience you want, for much less than getting new console.
dragonzdogma
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Is the game any good?
I found the tomb raider ps3 version mediocre to be honest.
I found the tomb raider ps3 version mediocre to be honest.
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But Andrew House told me..
Someone said 1440p
OnionPowder
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If you didn't like the 2013 version then you probably won't like this version tbh. I think it's great
Would be somewhat pointless since developers already do tonemapping in their titles to get to LDR output.
dragonzdogma
Member
Have you played uncharted 4?
I actually like tomb raider 3 a little better than uncharted 4 in some areas.
Is this one more like uncharted 4-slow pace, ect.
chromatic9
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHEr7rjWoM
A better comparison is this Xbox One at 1080p and PS4 Pro. Best to see what you're getting as apposed to what you're not getting.
Thanks. Man, I wish Sony would get their $hit together and start demoing this at stores nationwide. Let people see the difference. Try out this game with the different display mode.
OnionPowder
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I loved Uncharted 4, and it's definitely more slow paced than the original 2013 from what I've played. I haven't finished it though.
I will say that the story isn't as gripping as UC4, but it really isn't a fair comparison.
DreadfulOmen
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I was asking just to make sure, because of the way companies market their products. Like how last gen they would put 1080p on the back of game cases even though the game was 720p or lower.
anothertech
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So this is just comparing the '4k' mode then right dark10?
Can't wait to see how the 1080p/30 version stacks up.
Can't wait to see how the 1080p/30 version stacks up.
DreadfulOmen
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I can see some of the differences in textures, but the video is still only 1080p so that wouldn't show the resolution differences.
2blackcats
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Don't think that's an a good comparison.
The video needs to be in 4K or you could compare the 1080p versions.
One thing I think needs to be clarified about the purpose of checkerboard rendering is that it seems to be more of a solution to how poorly sub native resolutions usually scale on modern fixed pixel displays. It'll allow for resolutions greater than 1080p to look much nicer on 4K displays without the typical, more obvious scaling artifacts.
And the checkerboard rendering mode can also be used on native 1080p TV's to look significantly better than 1080p
People forget that this footage is comparing the checkerboard renderer to 4K native. Compared to 4K native, its going to look worse, but its significantly cleaner than 1080p in every scenario and that is what the point of the technique is
So your saying that a checkerboard render on a UHD screen looks more cleaner than a 1080p render on a Full HD screen? Hard to believe. Awesome if true.
Zxrophantom
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Well i think you have to see it in motion to get a better use of both options. You can tell the difference but it being close to a high end pc is pretty impressive.
Zombie James
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Two things I've learned from experience you should never cheap out on when building a PC: power supply and motherboard. You're playing with fire. Also, you have no RAM.
OnionPowder
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Just download the RAM
Well yeah, because the pixel count is significantly higher by default.
If I understand it right, pure checkerboard rendering in terms of pixel clarity should be equal to 4k, this is because it's more of a recnstruction than an upscale.
But what it will suffer from is artifacting...especially in motion. They might offset this by implementing a TAA (like Rainbow Six Siege did) but that would blur the image slightly in the end.
Think how KZ: Shadowfall did 1080P in MP, the pixel clarity was equal to 1080P, despite halving the horizontal resolution, especially when in stills. In motion though you started to see artifacts.
Rotch Crot
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The HUD could be in native 4k while the rest of the game isnt.
BONKERS
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Ugly looking and not at all surprising.
It looks better on principle of being higher resolution than 1080p to begin with.
(I've used this argument before, but it's like upscaling 1280x720 or 1600x900 instead of 960x540 on a 1920x1080 TV. PSVita resolution is ~1/4th a 1080p TV the same a 1080p render is 1/4th the resolution of a 4k TV)
It doesn't make it look any less like awful garbage.
Just keep your 1080p TVs and play PS4P at 1080p folks. No more sub native rendering allowed.
Of course it does, the pixel count is still higher. They aren't rendering at 1080p when using CBR.
It looks better on principle of being higher resolution than 1080p to begin with.
(I've used this argument before, but it's like upscaling 1280x720 or 1600x900 instead of 960x540 on a 1920x1080 TV. PSVita resolution is ~1/4th a 1080p TV the same a 1080p render is 1/4th the resolution of a 4k TV)
It doesn't make it look any less like awful garbage.
Just keep your 1080p TVs and play PS4P at 1080p folks. No more sub native rendering allowed.
butman
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Caipirinha
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No two ways about it, that looks like garbage.
And this is why you don't try to reach some high resolution on consoles.
lol pretty much. This is why incremental upgrades on consoles are dumb
Rotch Crot
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I thought this was common sense.
They already have implementations in their code to automatically decrease artifacting. The technique here is far different from Siege and Shadowfall as well, because there is no known temporal component to Sony's patented technique
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Judging by what they're describing, it would be something in the options the player can toggle, by default it will probably match your TV's resolution.
anothertech
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1TB of virtual RAM!
Chill Penguin
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That's where i stand on this too. PS4P seems like a console no one asked for. They should have rode the PS4s success into the ground. Then let Scorpio release next year and in 2018 blow it out of the water with a true 4K console. I feel like they got greedy and are trying to double dip in hardware sales.
THey already are riding the success of PS4 into the ground, that is why PS4P exists.
THey want to release hardware more quickly while still keeping generations, and this was their solution
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Definitely true, 4k is a truly wasted endeavor to consoles at this point. It's messy and off looking but I still maintain that it's a strong effort given the hardware limitations.
Those resources would be far better spent giving 1080p all the bells and whistles though.
Lister
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the bottom line is we don't yet know.
There was an earlier comparison with a shot of the PC @ 1440p upscaled to 4K, and the PS4 Pro, and the PC shot looked sharper.
If they can get added effects in the checkerboard 4K mode and do supersampling for 1080p owners, both groups benefit significantly. Considering Sony is suggesting 2x 1080p as a base res before reconstruction, there should be enough grunt to do that and neither group will feel they have to compromise.
SapientWolf
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We're getting to the point where web video isn't going to cut it. 4k has to be viewed in person on a 4k display to fully appreciate it. And even then it's less obvious for gaming than I would have expected. It didn't knock my socks off or floor me.
image in OP seems a little unfair. First thought after opening the thread and only seeing that pic was "this looks like shit", but watching the video i think it looks quite good really.
And since we know people don't read links (or watch i guess) here before commenting.... im sure some are left with a bad impression.
And since we know people don't read links (or watch i guess) here before commenting.... im sure some are left with a bad impression.
The combination of 4K AND HDR is where it's truly stunning.