AtomicShroom
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Yes, but games will still look like they belong to the same gen as Wii U.
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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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Yes, but games will still look like they belong to the same gen as Wii U.
Colonel Mustard
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You literally keep posting links back to Nintendo of AMERICA's websites.
Try this instead:
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/switch/index.html
Unless we get something new(not generations x) it's gonna look like 3U on the Wii U did.
I think that the Switch has must have some embedded memory, otherwise I couldn't see it running Wii U software without very significant issues.
It's around Saturn level
What third party ports? Nintendo doesn't seem to understand that underspeccing their system significantly even compared to the weakest current console doesn't sit well with third parties. The CPUs we have in the PS4/Bone are terrible enough as is. :/
Sure if you run games exclusively at 1080p which means it's more powerful than the wiiU. But this is all theoretical anyway.
Since it is a handheld, it's better to compare it to the R Zone.
capylikesgames
Banned
I don't mind lower specs, but the battery life better be great on the Switch as a result. Otherwise I'll just wait for a revision down the road.
you should quit shrooms
Fast check :
- Can the Vita run at 720p Xenoblade Chronicles X, Mario Kart 8 (at 60 FPS), Breath of the Wild and Splatoon (at 60 FPS) ?
The answer is : nope. Not even close.
Xdrive05
Member
Honestly this thing will probably sell very well, in part because it will likely be trading on the success of Nintendo's handheld platforms as well. And if it does well, the 3rd parties will come on board.
But Nintendo gonna Nintendo, so please don't be surprised to see $299/$349 as the launch price. That would give them room to walk the price back should they need to, and in the short term reap those profits from the Nintendo faithful and new tech early adopters. Don't kid yourselves, folks. This is a $300 product all day long. They could even go higher at first.
But Nintendo gonna Nintendo, so please don't be surprised to see $299/$349 as the launch price. That would give them room to walk the price back should they need to, and in the short term reap those profits from the Nintendo faithful and new tech early adopters. Don't kid yourselves, folks. This is a $300 product all day long. They could even go higher at first.
ArchedThunder
Banned
They aren't "making the same mistakes again".
They developed this system as a handheld because for all intents and purposes it is a handheld that can be played on a TV.
Nintendo can't compete in the traditional home console market so they double down on handhelds and are releasing a very powerful handheld.
It doesn't matter if NOA calls it a "home gaming system", it is a sytem that was designed to be played as a handheld and the specs are reflective of that. It would be impossible for the Switch to have PS4 level specs.
Nintendo's strongest selling hardware are their handhelds and their future depends on them more than consoles. The Switch is not just a successor to the Wii U, but the 3DS aa well.
This was know since the beginning
This is hilarious..I might actually not lose my bet!
Yeah with those specs it needs to be really cheap. Because it's certainly not going to be an AAA gaming machine.
176 was as confirmed as the Wii U SDK docs I held in my hand.
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Really?
Yeah with those specs it needs to be really cheap. Because it's certainly not going to be an AAA gaming machine.
Yeah, but history should tell us that Nintendo was going to weak-out and that inevitably means shit AAA third party support.
176 was as confirmed as the Wii U SDK docs I held in my hand.
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Papacheeks
Banned
Yea and they ask for those prices because of what was in those units at the time tech wise. They had bluray drives, 500gb hard drives, and had good specs for it's time. Even now the specs are not bad, just the cpu's that are showing the bottle neck.
Nintendo had a long time to get this thing right and instead of giving options for 2 devices they opted to combine them. The specs for this should be for the handheld only and they should have a non portable pascal base unit thats stationary that the portable can connect to and transfer data.
They are trying to make both parties happy, but in reality are handicapping themselves. I like the idea of buying a game once and it works on either device. Maybe down the road we can buy a more upgraded base with a pascal chip or the switch itself gets a update 2-3 years in with a pascal upgrade.
I have no clue, but right now everything is riding on games.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Oh neat, it's exactly what I said. They'll market it as a home console where those are prevalent and portable elsewhere.
I'm recognized as one of the NDF! I'm right here! :lol
But I don't understand why you're calling me out...? It is literally more powerful than the Wii U!!!
PS: I use the term 'literally' better than you!
thechristoph
Sir!
If anyone actually thought this, with all the rumors going back at least a year that it was a hybrid portable device, then they only have themselves to blame for their disappointment. It's an NVidia tablet. You say it's not quite a PS4Pro? Shock of shocks.
GhostTrick
Banned
So everywhere except Japan. Still a mistake though, to market it as a home console which is weak when it's a powerful handheld.
Darryl M R
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Well the mainline Pokemon game better be good or else this will be a hard pass.
lol Nintendo threads are always so heated on GAF
lol Nintendo threads are always so heated on GAF
I'm 29 years old. One of the things I like about mobile and handheld gaming is that it fits in far better with my lifestyle than console gaming, which requires me to be at home. I also dramatically prefer the library of handhelds to consoles, which prize visuals over rigorous, demanding gameplay. I have yet to see a game on any home console this gen that resembles Etrain Odyssey or Shin Megami Tensei or Fire Emblem or Bravely Default. A Nintendo handheld with the support of Atlus, Capcom, and Square-Enix is the only gaming device of any sort that I will ever need.
They are just asking for angry comments with this though.
Papacheeks
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Yea thats japans like Ghost trick just posted. The rest of the world is the other.
But thinking about it, what else Nintendo can do? Pretty sure they can easily pull out a console as powerful as PS4 Pro but then they would have to sell it for $400+ and people will not spend that amount since most of them already have their shiny PCs or PS4s for their high end gaming needs, there's no need to have anooother high end machine with just a Nintendo logo in it. Very few people will want to pay $400 or more just to see Mario at 4k.
Better to focus on bringing something cheap but efficient and versatile enough for this era while offering some unique features not available on high end machines such as portability and the ability to have 2 to 4 local multiplayer on the go wich is exactly what Nintendo is doing right now.
Well that's really disappointing, but if it's 199$ I'll still pull the trigger. If not, I always have a Wii U to play Zelda. Would be cool if Nintendo tried to make a device that gave you a good bang for your buck ala the gamecube. I never expected a PS4, but I would have liked an upgrade from the Wii U. Kinda bummed.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, but you kind of hope that Nintendo will at least give you a competent system to play them on. Their games have some of the best art design out there and it's a shame to constantly see them held back by the hardware.
It's not as if anyone expected this to compete with the PS4 Pro or Scorpio, and I don't think any reasonable person expected it to be more powerful than the base PS4 or Xbox One. The general expectation was something comparable to those systems, even if less powerful. I consider that pretty reasonable to ask for, so it's really disappointing when Nintendo instead ends up closer to Wii U territory (the system that was a weak performer 5 years ago).
It matters because people don't want to spend hundreds on hardware that's hopelessly outmatched just to play exclusive games. I know that this is portable and all, but it's also a home console; if it's expected to function as a home gaming device, it's fair to judge it as one. And if it can't function as a home console, then the hybrid concept doesn't really work, does it? Relative to its time, I think this will be the weakest home console they've ever done while simultaneously the most powerful handheld they've ever done. Whether or not you're happy with the hardware will probably depend on which play style you're more interested in. People interested in this as a handheld system have a lot to be happy with.
KiefbladeMaster
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If it's under $200 I'll probably bite, but that's not happening according to rumors.
Can't see third parties staying beyond initial ports with those specs, either, tbh. (Again, especially if the price-point rumor holds up.)
At least we can finally play Monster Hunter above 240p? ;__;
Can't see third parties staying beyond initial ports with those specs, either, tbh. (Again, especially if the price-point rumor holds up.)
At least we can finally play Monster Hunter above 240p? ;__;
Colonel Mustard
Banned
So you agree with my original statement. They'll market it as a handheld where it makes sense and as a console where that makes sense.
The Wraith
Member
Im ok with 300$ anything more and I'll wait until a price drop. The specs as always with Nintendo are underwhelming but who didn't see that one coming?
Im not buying Nintendo games for graphics because they don't make their consoles for that anymore. Im buying it because games like Zelda,Monster Hunter,and Metroid where I can't get anywhere else. One thing I am excited for is the multiplayer capabilities. It would be nice to play a Call of Duty game with 4 of my friends in the same place. I am excited about the possibility of multiplayer games being played in the same place again like when I was a kid.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
They did learn voodoo magic though: they made a console weaker than a similar product, that is two years old, and made by the same manufacturer who is supplying parts to them.
The perfect Dark
Banned
Ok but wtf is this then?
They had the same crap for WiiU. You'll get downgraded ports of old games in the first 12 months. After that it's gonna be a wasteland.
And this thing is not a handheld at all. It's way too big. I really doubt handheld only gamers see this as a replacement for their 3DS.
This is even worse than the WiiU situation because it's gonna fuck up their handheld market as well.
Nintendo doesn't learn. They don't want to. They are stupid. This is the WiiU 2.
Mass Effect
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wow, didn't think it would be this weak. Oh well, I really wasn't expecting much better, and that's fine. As long as it's cheap (lol yeah right. will wait for a sale).
Because we all know this this won't be $199.
Because we all know this this won't be $199.
GustyGardens
Banned
That's fine with me. I thought the Wii U had some really nice looking games, so I'm not really bothered by this.
Papacheeks
Banned
I guess, but wouldn't you want it to be constant message wise?
GhostTrick
Banned
Yet, our point is that marketing it as a home console makes no sense since it'll be a weak home console when it's a powerful handheld.
That point remains to be seen. We only know about clockspeeds. Could be slower indeed. But then again, it's in a far smaller form factor. That's basically what happens when you put a product in a smaller form factor. Shield TV is far bigger than Switch. The same way PS4 Pro is weaker than RX 480 which it's based on.
MisterR
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If they try and sell this for 300 bucks, it will flop more than the Wii U.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Ok but wtf is this then?
This is called nobody wants to burn bridges before a console is released.
My favourite posts on GAF are those from simple people who likely know nothing tech-wise and especially on the marketing side and yet claims that Nintendo never learns, that they are infintely more stupid than themselves. Pretending that something so obvious a children could understand is out of the whole R&D division of Nintendo.
Pretentious as fuck.
Pretentious as fuck.
What am I looking at here?
Astral Dog
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This means good battery life???
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