Teletraan1
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Which sucks. Wasn't Sony bending over backwards trying to get dev kits to everyone with a pulse? The results have been great support from all corners of the industry. Sad to hear Nintendo not doing things right again on this front.
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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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Which sucks. Wasn't Sony bending over backwards trying to get dev kits to everyone with a pulse? The results have been great support from all corners of the industry. Sad to hear Nintendo not doing things right again on this front.
geordiemp
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Kimishima essentially confirmed, during the question-and-answer sessions with investors :
I bet its $ 300
In fact some might even say the PS1 is more powerful.
Okay, back in reality mode -
It doesn't really seem like we know what Switch can do yet. We have some clock speeds which may or may not be right, and even if they are, aren't telling us a great deal.
Switch wouldn't get games like RDR2 even if it were stronger than Scorpio. I mean, Western third parties will always just pay lip service to Nintendo.
I think Switch if played right can get Japanese third parties on board which are looking for a home (PS4 IIRC is not doing very well there) and become a home for them along with the fading AA market.
So let me ask - what would be the point of Nintendo releasing a beast box? When they won't get that AAA Western support anyway and people are already buying those games in other ecosystems?
And for what it's worth, it sounds like handheld wise, this IS a beast by any means. Sure, it can't beat your iPhone 7, but your iPhone 7 is hundreds of dollars more, and not a gaming-focused device. Can Scorpio beat a good gaming desktop?
I have a Sony Playstation 4. I don't need a Nintendo Playstation 4.
Kssio_Aug
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It doesn't mean anything though. Nintendo Switch and Nvidia Shield are two very different machines, and I'm pretty sure Switch will be a much better gaming system.
Does anyone know why Laura Kate Dale has a paypal sticky tweet about donating to her to help her move? It mentions a notice but to me a notice doesn't necessarily mean an eviction notice or some dire situation, I'd get a notice to move out if I didn't renew my lease for example.
I don't mean any offense or anything but I'm wondering if there's background here or if it's standard procedure these days to ask for donations on twitter? I'm not a huge user of the platform.
Maybe I should set up such a paypal on my twitter in the hopes that a rando from my 100 or so followers will just donate me money.
Colonel Mustard
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Marketing is spearheaded by the local branches. I would never assume it would be consistent. Different regions, different tastes.
Everytime I read something like this, I want to punch a dead Rhino. No matter what Nintendo does, they're always competing with Sony/MS for the same resource - consumer's money- in the same global field: consumer entertainment electronics.
Mom: "Little Josh, what do you want for birthday? A PS4 or a Switch?" Josh: "Why not both?" Mom: "Shut the fuck up and get a job!"
So people are telling me Nintendo is smart because they avoid the shark infested waters and try to settle down in Orca territory?!! You guys are amusing....and Pachter is still a wiseman compared to some in here.
Serenitynow
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I means Nintendo cares about battery life enough to cut performance by 60%...
So probably.
GhostTrick
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You don't need a master degree in tech to see that Nintendo made a lot of stupid decisions in term of tech design in some of their previous hardware. And it seems that Switch is in the right way to be one of the victims of these stupid decisions.
That could mean Nintendo finding a way to buy cheaper batteries.
I mean its more powerful than a WiiU and the WiiU looks just fine on my TV? Would I have hoped for more? sure. But man these exaggerations need to stop
funroll-loops
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MHz don't really translate to any sort of useful power measurement to begin with, I think they're still trying to guess the architecture
Meesh
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I gotta be honest... there's probably a lot of tech newb Gaffers liken me that aren't quite sure what to make of this. I pretty much knew what to expect from Wii and WiiU... but Switch has been throwing me for loop. I've been trying to keep up with the opinions and threads... but where do we sit with this thing??? Is it capable or not? Does it have support or not? I'm weirded out...... for the first time I'm not sure if I'm gonna buy in to a Nintendo console. Yes, I'm a goose...I just wanna understand what it's capable of and what games we can expect...
Papacheeks
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If it's 300 it's dead on arrival in Japan. And if they dont have a stellar lineup for launch, it could flop everywhere else.
If they can keep up the good momentum they have so far and have a solid launch lineup at 249.99 it will sell like gang busters. At 300 not so much.
flaxknuckles
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Jeez. I thought it would at least be comparable to Xbox One. This is what I get for not knowing crap about hardware I guess. My hype has been deflated a ton today, like how you gonna make a system weaker than an Android console????
This was much much worse:
There handheld console almost survived only because of Nintendo titles and a few big games (like Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest). Even in the worst case scenario, there will be a doubled selection of Nintendo games as on there handheld or console before the Switch.
Oh man, the things you can say when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Did you read the article?
iPhone and iPad both dumpster it in terms of power. Significantly faster than Vita though. (3-6x faster or so? not sure)
Personal guess is it will be roughly on par with a portable 360.
But Switch is not a portable PS4 slim. Switch in handheld mode is half as faster as Nvidia Shield Tablet that last time was selling for $200.
You are still wrong even now, so don't pat yourself on the back. But I can admit that I was wrong too in my estimations.
Broken Hope
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Now we know what absorb the Wii U meant, this will require very little in the way of change in regards to how Nintendo make their games, I'm expecting most of their stuff to still be Wii U level with a res bump.
Without having to program for a whole different console such as the 3DS I'd expect Nintendo's development costs to decrease.
Without having to program for a whole different console such as the 3DS I'd expect Nintendo's development costs to decrease.
They did make the Wii U, though. Groupthink can lead to some pretty dumb decisions sometimes.
Without knowing the CUDA core count we can't say for sure.
Lowest estimates put the raw power of it slightly above the Iphone 6S GPU when in handheld mode. Keep in mind this would be unhampered by IOS and typical phone game creation constraints.
Lowest estimates put it about 6x the Vita in handheld mode
Roberto Larcos
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It means better battery life. A low clock-speed is less taxing, and drains the battery less rapidly. As far as I'm aware (I've not been following closely at all), we don't know enough of the other specs to come out with a decent estimate.
Kssio_Aug
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Where did you buy your PS3?? That's pretty amazing!
Dreams-Visions
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I'm still in if it's like $229.
I have zero expectations that it will be a quality screen. Probably going to be a standard TN display. Would appreciate an IPS, but not all IPS screens are created equal anyway. OLED or something else nice are obviously out of the question.
I have zero expectations that it will be a quality screen. Probably going to be a standard TN display. Would appreciate an IPS, but not all IPS screens are created equal anyway. OLED or something else nice are obviously out of the question.
What I was implying is that every decisions they make is an assumed one, and that they're not just fiddling with some tech they know nothing about, in hope that somehow it works to get them third-party games.
If they made the Switch's specs as they are, they deliberately knew it wasn't going to appeal to huge western third-party. They also know, like everyone else, why the Wii U failed to attract third-party. They knew that, if they just made a huge 400$ box they would have something powerful enough for the third party. Yet they didn't. That's not because they "don't learn".
Papacheeks
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It should have been able to to 1tf or at least close to it. Especially if they used some kind of custom pascal chip which I know is pretty much more energy efficient version of maxwell. But it's 2016 how do you not have something decent like that?
My issue is they could have done both with using the same architecture, just have 2 devices instead of trying to combine them. Games would be the same difference would be for home console people you could have the 1tf system. And for people who want portable can have the lower powered one that will work with the home system as a controller or second system for local multiplayer via wireless system link.
Wait until January and then you should know. People just go crazy without good indicators, since this is the first mobile console ever.
Assuming a downclocked TX1, on handheld mode:
1) ~Wii U.
2) iPhone 7 > Switch > iPhone 6S.
3) Switch >= 8xVita.
thegreatchamp
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You can expect slightly better graphics than the Wii U and vastly better graphics when undocked compared to a 3DS. You can also bet than 3rd party support will be gone within a year of it releasing (same as Wii U).
Basically, expect a Wii U situation again.
Teletraan1
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On point.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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Even in portable mode, the Nintendo Switch looks more powerful than the Wii U and the Wii U is drastically more powerful than the Vita. RAM alone makes for a ridiculously obvious comparison (0.5GB on Vita, 2GB on WiiU, 4GB on Switch).
I can't stress enough how weak the Vita is by modern standards. There's a reason why lots of indie devs decide to release a Vita version of their game on a whim and then later end up cancelling when they can't figure out how to get their game to work on the Vita. As an indie developer, the Switch excites me greatly because we'll get great performance without needing to worry excessively about optimization.
Serenitynow
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I think it has to be $199 base, $249 deluxe
I think you don't understand a word from what we're talking about here.
Astral Dog
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PdotMichael
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Nintendo is also the only one who works with nVidia together.
Do people believe that nVidia wouldn't provide Nintendo with a solid Maxwell/Pascal based chip for a more traditional well powered home console?
GhostTrick
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It's not only about western third party. The thing is it seems it may be basically a cost saving decision. I'm not saying "make a 400 dollars box".
It's not about adding stuff to the silicon, or make the GPU bigger. It's about clockspeed, which can be tuned with the way the cooling system and the battery is designed. It basically feels like Nintendo might want to gimp the clockspeeds to save 10 dollars on battery and thermal dissipation.
Sony succeeded at making Vita looking far more powerful than it really is. On the other hand, Nintendo is succeeding at making Switch looking like far weaker than it really is.
Switch undocked is basically the kind of device we could expect from Sony if they made a Vita 2. A lot of people also ignore the Vita clockspeed compared to what the consensus was around it. What was basically seen as a 1Ghz quad core Cortex A9 CPU and a 400mhz PowerVR SGX 543MP4 was in fact a 333mhz clocked CPU and a 222mhz clocked GPU. Vita was closer to 3DS than it was to PS3.
Kssio_Aug
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We don't know. Depends on the price, and it depends also if 3rd parties will be interested in Switch as a handheld device.
If Switch manages to sell a lot, I'm pretty sure the 3rd party support will come naturally.
LordOcidax
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Is a Nintendo + Tech thread... is ugly no matter what...
Clinton514
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Lame as always N. Step it up especially if it's all about generations of rehashes.
TheProudCanadian
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I'm okay with an underpowered machine if the portable mode delivers on good battery life (I'd say 5-6 hours minimum from a full charge) and the price is fair ($250 USD / ~$320 CAN max)
Congratulation, there are consoles for you named the PS4 and Xbox One.
Nintendo believes that there is a big audience of people, who have another opinion and want a different experience and more options. Time will tell,if there are right.
Papacheeks
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I truly do hope a Nintendo has some kind of PRO dock in mind down the line. That would be a automatic buy if ti does play things better.
The Switch is not competing in 2013, it's competing in 2017. It needs to be attractive vs. the XB1 and PS4 at their 2017 prices.
I said it before and I'll say it again. I strongly believe the Switch is DOA at $299 and above. I believe it's potentially very successful at $199, and a toss-up at $249. The lineup of launch games will be a huge factor as well.
I think that deep down we all know that this thing needs to be successful from day one to have a chance long-term. That's why the price point will be critical.
You actually thought they'd have a portable system capable of running Forza Horizon? In that rumor thread I was shocked that people actually even humoring that thought.
I mean he's trolling but PS3 at 1080p is exactly what the games will look like with these specs.
Also (to those asking about it) the Switch still has a fan which is used when portable so battery life might not be too great.;_;
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