Dark Cloud
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It was never going to set the sales records on fire even if it was more powerful. They have to give you other incentives to buy the Scorpio other than "more power".
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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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meanspartan
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6 TF vs 4 TF is a 3:2 ratio (I know there is a lot more to it than TF of course). That is not unlike the difference between Ps4 and Xbox One. Until they prove otherwise, not sure it will really be that big of a difference, just like X1 vs Ps4 wasn't that much of a difference to my eyes for most multiplats.
I can almost guarantee that Forza Motorsport 7 will run at 4k/60.
3D crowds.
There likely will be 4k 60FPS titles
Just as there are 1080p/60hz titles on Xbox ONe
Interface_2037
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6Tflop GPU with a Jaguar CPU...lol.
It's like me pairing my old Phenom II PC with a $600 Nvidia 1080.
Utter waste of money.
It's like me pairing my old Phenom II PC with a $600 Nvidia 1080.
Utter waste of money.
I'm going to be the shred of hope for anything a bit better, but keep in mind this whitepaper was written in 2016 just after the Scorpio was announced.
I'm presuming they spec'd out a PC build at that and did some tests, but in-terms of final hardware, you could get some differences there. Not saying anything major like..
I'm presuming they spec'd out a PC build at that and did some tests, but in-terms of final hardware, you could get some differences there. Not saying anything major like..
Yup...
Always-honest
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So you equated this to Spencer saying "we are starting a whole new generation of consoles?"
Some context here- when rumours of a SIX teraflop console was in the works, people thought that was some fantastical wishful thinking.
A 45% power upgrade OVER THE PRO is still a big move forward.
With this tidbit of info how much of a difference will we actually notice in comparison to the pro?
I get it, it has better hardware but "better" might not prove much visually aside from numbers given to us on what resolution it runs at.
Supersampled 1080p vs 4k rendering on these consoles should be very...Very similar right ? Almost hard to distinguish? I think if they allowed exclusives then this would be a much bigger issue.
I get it, it has better hardware but "better" might not prove much visually aside from numbers given to us on what resolution it runs at.
Supersampled 1080p vs 4k rendering on these consoles should be very...Very similar right ? Almost hard to distinguish? I think if they allowed exclusives then this would be a much bigger issue.
geordiemp
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No its not really much of a difference, once your in 4K, whether its true or 1800p or checkerboard, it all looks just as good to me on a 55 inch 4K tv.
We have 2 ps4 pro's and my son uses his on a W905 1080p, and with super sampling it looks great side by side to the 4K set.....to the point who cares for living room use.
For normal TV sizes 42 to 55, I am more concerned about frame rate with pro patches.
My interest in the Scorpio is more about undecided direction for VR (PSVR / Occulus or VIVE). I just dont know.
Until we see something running on Scorpio hardware it's hard to say because the games do have to run on a base Xbox One. At the very least they can easily get to a 4K framebuffer.
LukasTaves
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They are reffering those techniques for transparencies, AO, GI, shadows, not the opaque geometry buffer.
But yeah, not every game will be 4k, but the console seems to be speced so that a 900p game on xbone can be a native 4k on scorpio with higher quality settings (with the caveat of hal res effects)
I can't ask for more. It will still be a beast of a console that should launch at $399.
Don't think MS will be able to run them jaguar cores any higher than PS4 Pros, maybe 2.4ghz or 2.5ghz
*w/grain of salt
no.
This is perhaps where those hoping for an i5 CPU and magic 60fps start to understand that might not happen. Although the 'frame rate interpolation' is interesting.
It'll still be a great console serving up 4k games at higher quality than PS4 Pro, either natively or using checkerboard methods (and then having more GPU spare for enhancing other graphical aspects)
And if they're going the APU route it has a fighting chance of hitting at $399 (perhaps depending on ram and other costs)
Here he claims to know "things" and says Scorpio shooting for 8TF and $399:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228637121&postcount=541
DocSeuss claims to work in the industry and says Scorpio plans to be a new gen and not a mid-gen refresh:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228640941&postcount=594
GribbleGrunger
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GinoFelino
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So does this mean we can just be cool with Pro and Scorpio both doing basically the same thing and enjoy that for what it is?
I think a lot of people assumed this would be the case. ESRAM is such a bottleneck for the Xbox One.
Well, while it wasn't the only factor at play, "it makes multiplats looks slightly nicer" was a pretty effective advantage for PS4. With that said PS4Pro and Scorpio are higher-end price-wise, so I'm not sure Microsoft can leverage better multiplat performance the same way.
Depends on what your definition of "half steps" is. You could argue this entire generation was a half-step, given that we barely increased resolutions on a lot of titles compared to the "HD era" we were promised last generation.
Lister
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See this is what I don't get.
If, as Sony intimates, this mid gen refresh is to prop up console performance against the ever increasing performance of PC hardware, do these half steps really change that in any dramatic way?
The money spent in R&D, manufacturing, shipping, promoting and supporting these new "Pro" versions that only a small percentage of the player base will purchase, and possibly pushing the release of entirely new consoles out by another year or two, mean that PC hardware and PC performance will continue to outpace consoles anyway.
The people who care about that and jumped ship last gen, will either not come back or jump ship again in the end.
Seems weird to me to go to these lengths for the continued support of a super niche group of console gamers that basically wants their console gaming to be more like PC gaming, except not PC gaming.
If, as Sony intimates, this mid gen refresh is to prop up console performance against the ever increasing performance of PC hardware, do these half steps really change that in any dramatic way?
The money spent in R&D, manufacturing, shipping, promoting and supporting these new "Pro" versions that only a small percentage of the player base will purchase, and possibly pushing the release of entirely new consoles out by another year or two, mean that PC hardware and PC performance will continue to outpace consoles anyway.
The people who care about that and jumped ship last gen, will either not come back or jump ship again in the end.
Seems weird to me to go to these lengths for the continued support of a super niche group of console gamers that basically wants their console gaming to be more like PC gaming, except not PC gaming.
Samurai G0SU
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What if the white paper from july 2016 was released on purpose to have us expect a lower spec when the scorpio is finally revealed?
WHAT IF THIS IS WHAT THEY REALLY WANT US TO THINK
WHAT IF THIS IS WHAT THEY REALLY WANT US TO THINK
totally joking, but the removal of ESRAM is the only big new thing we have here
Yeah I know, it was moreso his suggestion and presumed misunderstanding that it was actually some kind of motion interpolation like I TV would do.
Proelite
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Lmao, surprising.
People expected this to be a new gen when it sounds very comparable to the PS4 Pro. My point was that neither enthusiast model is ever going to outsell the cheaper versions, while others were under the impression they would.
deathkiller
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Not exactly, if they use the reported method the camera will control at 60 fps so on a FPS/TPS you will aim at 60 fps. Is the same system that is used to convert 60 fps to 120 fps for VR and in those cases is mainly to reduce lag.
resolution will become increasingly irrelevant. We already have lower resolution effects like shadows, alpha etc. We have dynamic resolutions to keep framerates solid when there is more going on on-screen.
4k and even frame rate interpolation is just a logical extension of that.
LordBaztion
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I'm fine with upscaled 4k in my non existant 4k TV while I'm getting high seetings like graphics. Also needs games and new console features.
dragonelite
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Mod confirmed insider?
deadstar72
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Had already mentally prepared myself that there was no chance this was getting zen, so this is all sounding good to me. Should keep the price at a reasonable level too. Happy with how much better some games have looked on the pro vs og ps4, difference between slim xb1 and scorpio will be bigger so i'm sure it's going to be worthwhile. Looks like sony will reap the benefits of releasing a year earlier though
The ESRAM itself is no the bottleneck, it's actually the main RAM which is.
The ESRAM is to mitigate the main ram being slow.
Lactose_Intolerant
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The only barrier they are breaking is 900p
Jimmyfenix
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seems like microsoft this entire generation
especially with their first party announcements
Nikodemos
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This. You could run Oculus games on an Xbone Ultra (or whatever) if: (simultaneously) a) it has the 2.5 GHz version of the Cat CPU and b) you gut all CPU-intensive commands/tasks to their (acceptable) bare minimums.
It's absolutely impossible to run anything VR on the regular Xbone - at least not without degrading the game so much it ends up looking like an OG XBox title.
It is a tad weird that this is available on their Dev portal. They must of known this would of been picked up and ran with like this.
ethomaz
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I remember how that looked at E3 2013...
Thebeardofknowledge
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