TheMule1983
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PS4 Tops January 2017 US Sales
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"Fanaticism". My bad.
It will face the PS5. That's if MS change their stance on Scorpio being a current gen upgrage. Don't think that's happening though.
I think it's better for you to just accept the fact that PS4 is more desirable system this gen.
I can accept everything, but I need the split to do that. Ok?
This is why we can't have nice things.
Haha you don't need it. PS4 has been leading since launch. Even if you want to remove Pro from the equation to fit your narrative.
MatPiscatella
Member
The difference is my team is the one that actually sets the definition of what a generation is and what consoles are placed in which generations. One of the components of my job is to lead in the making of that determination, based on evaluating the systems, and on gathering input from companies and people within the industry.
Unfortunately, I find your arguments for making the Pro and Scorpio a new generation lacking.
iHaunter
Member
Scorpio specs are disappointing for the cost.
I don't think the sales going too crazy considering the exclusive games for PS4 this year are far superior so far.
Obliterator
Member
This thread is a disaster
El-Pistolero
Member
Well, if that is the case, you should discount the numbers made by the Xbox One S, since it is a more powerful model than the Vanilla Xbox One, and compare the base models of Playstation 4 and Xbox One.
We had had the split for three years before the One S and the Pro launched, and the PS4 came out on top in the US. On a global basis, MS silence is a deafening admission of -relative- failure.
how much is it?
Primethius
Banned
??
Scorpio doesn't have its specs laid out. And it'll probably be pretty good for the price point.
OR because it makes sense and people know that, but they can't think otherway because they are biased to...
You know every history has three sides: mine, yours and the truth.
anothertech
Member
Dam. Eyes burning. So much salt in the air...
Starting to think this guy is the most brilliant troll to come around these forums in a while.
Still doubling down on your nonsense even when an analyst who's being paid for tracking sales tells you that you're full of shit? Wow, you're something else.
Sangetsu-II
Member
Waiting for a lock.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Sales arguments replaced by generation hoop hopping.
Can't wait for E3
I can definitely see egamer making that face after reading replies and promptly making a post. Totally belive he believes in what he's saying
Can't wait for E3
I can definitely see egamer making that face after reading replies and promptly making a post. Totally belive he believes in what he's saying
My argument relies on the fact that there is PS4 owners switching to PRO and PRO is not selling more than PS4.
Why they are switching? And why it's not selling more than the vanilla? You know that there is an answer for each one (and a lot others) but my point is that PS4 "family" has one different and relevant SKU more to appeal to gamer crowd and Xbox One doesn't.
And that is why I think the split is fair.
For Scorpio, MS already dropped ESRAM so it's another architecture designr to start something different from Xbox One. That's why I think ot is another gen.
Have I missed something or why are there talks about the pro and scorpio being anything other then part of the ps4 and xb1 family? Sony at least was very clear about the pro only being a mid-gen upgrade for those that want a bit more power for their ps4 games. I think it having "ps4" in the name would make it obvious that it's part of the ps4 family and not anything else.
I think microsoft is not doing as good with their communication about the scorpio since there seems to be more confusion about that one. But from what we know it sounds much more like the xb1 pro then the xb2.
If sony and microsoft wanted the pro and scorpio to be a new gen and not only a mid-gen upgrade, then they're doing a really bad job communicating that.
I think microsoft is not doing as good with their communication about the scorpio since there seems to be more confusion about that one. But from what we know it sounds much more like the xb1 pro then the xb2.
If sony and microsoft wanted the pro and scorpio to be a new gen and not only a mid-gen upgrade, then they're doing a really bad job communicating that.
mysteriousmage09
Member
So Sony is one step ahead so it doesn't count. Gotcha.
So if I buy a toyota 2017, that negates or zeros a sale when I brought one in 2011....
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Why you guys can't help yourselves, as if he is suddenly going to go with it. How many pages has it been now
I'm fascinated at the continuing evolution, deployment of "alternative facts". He's literally twisted into a sale is not a sale.
I like the implication that the issue with a troll is the people calling him out on his bullshit. Because that's the real problem with neogaf, we're just not letting a lier's bullshit stand.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Really?
Those specs at $399 are disappointing? It's more powerful than the PS4 Pro and will launch at the PS4 Pro price.
Boombloxer
Member
Reality is hard for some folks.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
He has ideas, others have thiers. Unless you believe your comparison will suddenly make him believe in your idea more than his own?
Anyways, I guess sales and numbers for games weren't a part of this thread?
When will or where are the games? Is that data still pushed back or maybe I missed it...
PeterLegend
Member
Xbox is selling well, its just that PS4 is selling at near PS2 levels.
Sangetsu-II
Member
By the time Scorpio launches PS Pro will be $299 ($350 with a giftcard) on Black Friday. So no, not at the PS4 Pro price.
Consumers will go for the cheapest console after all.
Primethius
Banned
No, PS4 definitely is not in the US.
You seem to be under the misapprehension that pointing out some one is wrong is predicated on changing their mind. It could just be an end to itself.
Sangetsu-II
Member
I thought with recent estimates that we have, XB1 is tracking behind 360 sales launches aligned, no?
Jack The Nipper
Banned
If only a 199 console could come again, along with a huge array of twenty dollar titles that hit ten on sale digitally.
Ms is in a hard spot there as they likely can't get Scorpio to 300 and they can't do 200/400 imo
299/199 would do real good on 4. But I doubt they want to do that and want bigger profits on hardware. Feel they should look into 199 and how they can push hardware, psn growth and now.
I do believe the future could be streaming and services. Seems it is still quite behind but digital is obviously something that is taking over. The leader wants to be that go to store.
Consoles are still missing to much classic pc stuff.
Ms is in a hard spot there as they likely can't get Scorpio to 300 and they can't do 200/400 imo
299/199 would do real good on 4. But I doubt they want to do that and want bigger profits on hardware. Feel they should look into 199 and how they can push hardware, psn growth and now.
I do believe the future could be streaming and services. Seems it is still quite behind but digital is obviously something that is taking over. The leader wants to be that go to store.
Consoles are still missing to much classic pc stuff.
MatPiscatella
Member
Of course there are some PS4 owners that are also buying a Pro. Just as there are many Xbox One owners that are buying Xbox One S units.
But it's not like when this happens, the old box goes into the trash. These units are sold, traded in, given to friends/family... it's still a unit towards the installed base for systems.
It doesn't make it a new generation, just like it wasn't a new generation when Xbox 360's started including wifi and slim profiles and bigger hard drives.
The real, more meaningful impact of all this new iterative hardware is that it leaves less in the wallet for people to buy software, and may partially explain why so many major releases in Q4 stumbled, along with, of course, people playing certain games for much longer periods than was the case just a few years ago.
But it's not like when this happens, the old box goes into the trash. These units are sold, traded in, given to friends/family... it's still a unit towards the installed base for systems.
It doesn't make it a new generation, just like it wasn't a new generation when Xbox 360's started including wifi and slim profiles and bigger hard drives.
The real, more meaningful impact of all this new iterative hardware is that it leaves less in the wallet for people to buy software, and may partially explain why so many major releases in Q4 stumbled, along with, of course, people playing certain games for much longer periods than was the case just a few years ago.
Liabe Brave
Member
I'm not sure you're interested in actual discussion. But in case you are, it might be helpful to you if I point out that your own argument proves you wrong.
The three Atari consoles were tracked separately. Here's why:
The 5200 had exclusive games from day one. None of them could ever be played on 2600 or 7800. The 5200 could not play 2600 or 7800 games.
The 7800 had exclusive games from day one. None of them could ever be played on 2600 or 5200. The 7800 could not play 5200 games, though it did have 2600 backwards compatibility.
Now compare that to standard PS4 and PS4 Pro:
The Pro has no exclusive games out now, or announced for the future. All its games can be played on a standard PS4. All games on the standard model are playable on Pro.
Pro and standard PS4 aren't distinguishable in the way generations of hardware are.
Very well said. This is my thinking as well for the new hardware's impact so far. I'm also glad you're pointing out that just as there are PS4 owners buying a Pro, there are also existing Xbox owners buying an Xbox S.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
You don't need the split to tell you the PS4 is most desirable console this generation unless you are ignoring the last 3 years.
Interfectum
Member
Fanboys have no idea how to process these incremental hardware upgrades.
wapplew
Member
In other words, MS is already 20M ahead of Switch and PS5 right now
That's extreme case but you are right, Xbox will be ahead of PS5 with every Scorpio unit sold later this year.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
You are a good troll. I'll give you that. It's obviously bait, but hard to ignore.
Worldwide the xbox one is slightly behind the xbox 360 most likely while in the US it's most likely still ahead of the 360.
Dash_Riprock
Member
I'd like to think e-gamer. His meltdown is the reason I loves these threads.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
I'm sick of seeing that wonky-face avatar in this thread, that's for sure. It's the usual transparent xbone logic for him though; either setting things up for a Scorpio 'win' or a 'lol, Pro did shit' by asking for the splits.
Even more so when you have the makers of these mid gen upgrades saying they are part of the same family not a new gen.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Literally, PS4 Pro is still a PS4.
You track the sales in the same way you track any sales.
The thing literally only plays PS4 games, same as the PS4, uses the same OS as the PS4, why would it be tracked differently?
If this is annoying you, why are you annoyed?
You track the sales in the same way you track any sales.
The thing literally only plays PS4 games, same as the PS4, uses the same OS as the PS4, why would it be tracked differently?
If this is annoying you, why are you annoyed?
