Killer Instinct still does that, and Dead or Alive has something similar if I'm not mistaken. It completely changes how the game plays though, and in no way should be a standard mechanic for the entire genre.
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The awful "knocking your opponent midair over and over again" in fighting games.
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I very strongly disagree. A game that is entirely about reads, bait, and punishment will always be more entertaining to me than a rhythm game where single strikes basically do no damage.
KI is balanced around its combo breaker system, hitting your opponent and starting a combo is much easier than other games because you have combo breakers. Getting a launcher in Tekken is much harder but you have guaranteed damage in return (if you can juggle). It's a legit design choice, but this doesn't mean Tekken is doing it wrong.
Mustang 00
Member
Pulling it off is really satisfying. What do I know though, I only play against AI and my brothers in fighting games.
Tekken sells just as well if not better and the competitive scene is not as good as SF. Obviously not as good as the recent MK, but there has been quite a few Tekken games and their total sales puts the franchise on top as I recall.
FallingEdge
Member
it is like reading a thread on SRK circa 2004
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I found a good article on Fist of the North Star, which is a great fighting game on PS2. I own it, but from what I understand there are tons of ways to break the game.
http://compete.kotaku.com/player-lands-one-hit-ko-in-japanese-fighting-game-tourn-1793424051
It's still a fun game even with its punishing combos and exploits.
http://compete.kotaku.com/player-lands-one-hit-ko-in-japanese-fighting-game-tourn-1793424051
It's still a fun game even with its punishing combos and exploits.
Leafhopper
Banned
ITT: I want something changed just to change even though I didn't even understand it to begin with.
I am getting some serious deja vu from this thread.
It's too common lol.
I am getting some serious deja vu from this thread.
this is sick
FallingEdge
Member
lmao I can't believe this mindset still exists
LordKasual
Banned
I just hate being helpless.
In just about any game, suddenly having control completely taken away from me is the one thing that'll make me yell and throw my controller at a wall. The last game to do that to me was River City Ransom Underground, where enemies can pull attacks that knock you down out of nowhere, and then no amount of mashing will make you get up in less than six seconds. And I like the neutral in fighting games, but it feels like every damn fighter that comes out wants you to do bigger crazy combos when they don't have any kind of back-and-forth workings to them. I'm not asking every game to have KI's combo breakers, but just have something where the guy getting combo'd has some influence over what is happening, or at least let them get back to being able to do something quickly.I just hate being helpless.
if you don't like being helpless, don't put yourself in a position to be helpless and combo'd.
Leafhopper
Banned
Also to people using Street Fighter V as a reference for "juggling": That's part of the combo. Just go look at Street Fighter Alpha 3 V-Ism nonsense if you want to see actual ridiculous stuff.
The usual "I want something changed even though I don't understand it." kind.
The usual "I want something changed even though I don't understand it." kind.
Psychoward
Banned
Yeah, I agree with OP that when you're getting into fighting games juggling seems like a cheap tactic, almost as if it wasn't intended. But as players of those genre's maximized the damage output from various combos and strings it all became part of those games, except for those that don't really use it (aka SF).
But when a game knows how to do it right and also stylize it, well, the results looks amazing:
Is that Guilty Gear? Man I wish I wasn't trash at that game cause it's so pretty.
Unpopular opinion i know but i really disagree, where's the challenge in beating an opponent that can't react? The challenge should be trying to deceive the opponent to gain a hit, not to mechanically learn predefined sequences of moves.
...I guess it's not a really unpopular opinion after all
LordKasual
Banned
HAHAHA if people don't like juggles, then they need to stay as far away from Guilty Gear as possible
becuase there are waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy worse things than getting juggled, that game is basically designed around pure offensive oppression
...I guess it's not a really unpopular opinion after all
There's some middle ground.
Personally as long as there are many games that can explore the extremes it's good stuff.
I play Bushido Blade for it's realism
Leafhopper
Banned
Actually OP, I recommend Bushido Blade if you want realism.
You get stabbed, and you die. Most of it is 1 hit kills.
EDIT: Like Ken said.
You get stabbed, and you die. Most of it is 1 hit kills.
EDIT: Like Ken said.
family_guy
Member
Don't mind it in 2D games. Think it looks stupid in 3D games.
I just hate being helpless.
Again, why are you guys not playing Divekick, Nidhogg or Gundam VS? Options exist, even without going back to older games.Unpopular opinion i know but i really disagree, where's the challenge in beating an opponent that can't react? The challenge should be trying to deceive the opponent to gain a hit, not to mechanically learn predefined sequences of moves.
...I guess it's not a really unpopular opinion after all
As a third strike player I cringe at this video completely, like why didn't he have the option to parry that and like she did all that dmg without wasting meter, it seems so low risk high reward. It's so sad that SNK never brought over those good mechanics capcom thought of when they started making those halloween games
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I actually can
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
It's a game mechanic that's awesome to pull off, but kind of stupid to look at.
You can't parry mid combo.
You cringe at one of the most impressive displays of execution in a fighter. You guys should look up the stuff you're commenting on.
lol.
VS would be awful with parries.
Hell, even For Honor might fit the bill for some people wanting a very different take on the fighting genre.
LordKasual
Banned
This is so misguided. Combos aren't even a huge part of winning in most fighting games. You can know all the most damaging, high-execution combos in the game, but someone with better fundamentals in neutral/footsies/defense will beat you consistently.
The problem that casuals have with combos is that they
1) dislike the punishing aspect of getting hit, and
2) dislike the idea that someone can put in the time to practice and get better damage output than them by learning combos.
But this is pretty much the essence of fighting games. I'm convinced that the only reason casuals hate combos is beacuse they don't want to have to learn the game to win at it.
which, of course, is silly
if someone is blocking too much, it just means that your offense is bad / too predictible. But this is usually what throws and crossups are for.
If you know someone is going to block, they're susceptible to getting thrown.
If you know which way they're going to block (high/low) then you can go for an overhead/low mixup.
If you know they aren't going to anti-air you, then you can go for a crossup.
you got baited again lol
Dude mid parry OS exists
I WILL DEFEND SAKO COMBOS TO MY LAST BREATH GOD DAMMIT
Oh snap. You're definitely right. My gaming fgc elitism is getting to me.
Because none of my friends play these games. If I tell them "Hey let's play divekick" they're gonna act like I'm some kind of weirdo who wants to play scrubby games while they drag me into matches of Street Fighter V and IV. They did the this when I tried to get them into the Rising Thunder beta, where they just complained they already know footsies and all this basic stuff and just want to play something more. At the very least, I've converted at least one of them to KI.
I mean, I wanted to learn Street Figther IV when I learned there was a little scene for it at a local game store. So I found a "newbie group" on Reddit and joined in.
And then everyone starts talking about how they have hundreds of hours into the game while I get repeatedly stomped on.
Wonko_C
Member
Hahaha you almost got me there, for a moment I thought this was a serious post.
That combo makes my nipples diamond hard.
nkarafo
Member
No. I mean the juggling animation. The way a character floats and has no weight and bounces like a balloon.
Read the OP.
At least it looks like she has some weight in this gif.
Virtua Fighter's have always been toned down, but they still exist.
Psychoward
Banned
What, I've even said in this thread I liked juggling.
God bless this broken ass game. <3 Raoh's jab infinite.
That has nothing to do with the games themselves or the genre, like your first complaint did:
There are options. If you can't or won't play them, don't act like they don't exist.
Baron Von Beans
Member
This is something that I feel is being overlooked. The combos, the juggling, all of the "long strings" people are complaining about are usually the results of lots, and lots of practice. You don't want to feel helpless and get juggled all over the place like a set of clubs handled by a clown? Then put in some work. Out playing your opponent is what fighting games are all about.『Inaba Resident』;235578943 said:
eyeball_kid
Member
I don't really know why juggling people in the air became such a fighting game trope. In Tekken it looks especially silly because they do a great job of making the hits have real weight, but at the same time they have people bouncing like a beach ball. There's a inconsistency there I've never liked.
Mechanically, punishing the other player with combos could be done just as a series of ground attacks where the other player staggers back.
Mechanically, punishing the other player with combos could be done just as a series of ground attacks where the other player staggers back.