I still bought one, but I can't say it doesn't feel incomplete.It would have sold better if it had a 4K bluray drive....
I still bought one, but I can't say it doesn't feel incomplete.It would have sold better if it had a 4K bluray drive....
You're leaving out the Pro launch here, more precisely the first 10 days on sale.
Seems like it's meeting their expectations and it's expected that the lower priced slim is going to make up such a large percentage of sales.
40% pro owners are people that upgraded from a regular PS4. They are not marketing it heavily because they don't really care which PS4 a consumer buys plus they did not expect more new people to pick up a pro over a regular going by their comments after the holiday season and so the shipments and marketing wasn't heavy. The whole point of the pro was to stop the decline of hardware sales which usually starts around the middle of a generation. They may even want people to pick up a slim first so they can entice them to upgrade to a pro.
So far they've been pushing the base PS4 because that's what people buy the most, Pro or not it's still the best selling iteration.
Keep in mind that we're closer to the next generation (PS5) as well, PS4P was an option for those that are interested, but you don't see them being aggressive with bundles and what's not, it's for a small demographic not mainstream.
Seems like money wasted at this point, sure there might be bundles this holiday but I don't expect them to push PS4P as much as they will PS4.
No, I think a mid gen refresh is what we'll get again. They launched the pro because technology (14nm) allowed them to do it. Pushing out a Pro at launch will create a sku that's too expensive and likely not differentiated enough from the base system.So... maybe 2 sku's of PS5 at launch?
1 in 5 is less than I thought.
Personally I upgraded from launch to slim. In Australia it was $230AU more for a Pro at the time I wanted to upgrade, I don't have a 4k screen, not all games down sample and I have a gaming PC. I still feel happy with my choice.
Is it good?
Is that good?
Anyone know if thats good?
I'd have thought more, in all honesty
I get it I'm saying I think they need to be more aggressive in marketing it seeing as how they're pushing 4k tvs so much.
So a large percentage of the Pro audience aren't even new customers. That's an issue that needs to be addressed. I know why the Pro was introduced I simply disagree with their approach. It needs to be pushed as the way to go when buying a PS4 especially as more and more people buy 4k tvs. I don't think I'm alone in saying Sony isn't marketing the system properly. Maybe it's part of their long term plan and they'll get more serious now that Scorpio is coming but that seems reactionary to me when they needed to be aggressive to get the new system buying customer familiar with what it offers. Yes I know a PS4 sale to them is gravy either way I just think that's short sided thinking. I don't know how aggressive they can get on price of course but it seems to me the point in introducing it is to eventually phase the regular system out and have it be the default thus giving more incentive to devs to build to it rather than just patching existing games. Just a difference in opinion I guess.
People saying it is low despite Sony saying it has surpassed their expectations. This was always a a console meant to supplement the OG SKU. Why do people keep thinking these mid-gen consoles are supposed to be more than that?
Maybe they haven't been heavily promoting it is because they want to get their production run in order, get developers comfortable with optimizing for the pro, costs can come down further in a year and with Scorpio being year away as far as 4K mania goes, they probably realized they have time to breathe and decided to focus on profit over trying to push it harder for people to upgrade early. There have been no official bundles as far as I am aware. I am expecting all the big partnerships this year to have a pro bundle and maybe even a 50$ price cut if they want to put pressure on Scorpio. Like you, I personally expected them to be aggressive from day 1 but then thinking about it, I can see why they may have been a bit cautious and wanted to see how things go.
Both products exceeding expectations is hurting them...how?
You know i honestly thought it was going to be a little more, but it seems everyone in the world has the same percentage as japan, based on Media create numbers. They have the pro sitting at 19.7% of total ps4 sales this year.
It makes me wonder though, if PS4 sells another 20 million this year, is 4 million Pros really worth the effort?
People saying it is low despite Sony saying it has surpassed their expectations. This was always a a console meant to supplement the OG SKU. Why do people keep thinking these mid-gen consoles are supposed to be more than that?
I get it I'm saying I think they need to be more aggressive in marketing it seeing as how they're pushing 4k tvs so much.
So a large percentage of the Pro audience aren't even new customers. That's an issue that needs to be addressed. I know why the Pro was introduced I simply disagree with their approach. It needs to be pushed as the way to go when buying a PS4 especially as more and more people buy 4k tvs. I don't think I'm alone in saying Sony isn't marketing the system properly. Maybe it's part of their long term plan and they'll get more serious now that Scorpio is coming but that seems reactionary to me when they needed to be aggressive to get the new system buying customer familiar with what it offers. Yes I know a PS4 sale to them is gravy either way I just think that's short sided thinking. I don't know how aggressive they can get on price of course but it seems to me the point in introducing it is to eventually phase the regular system out and have it be the default thus giving more incentive to devs to build to it rather than just patching existing games. Just a difference in opinion I guess.
Exceeding? Um, don't think so. I think if they had only released the PSVR it would have sold double the amount or more. Same could be said for the Pro. Also, I forgot about releasing a PS4 slim at the same time as well. So those that may have upgraded to a Pro may not have and went for the cheaper slim or nothing at all. Sometimes too much choice can be a bad thing.
Yeah I know I just think that's a faulty mindset for them to have. They need to push the pro as the reason to buy a PS4. Unless they're being price constrained I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be doing this. It puts additional price pressure on MS to get Scorpio priced right too. I actually agree with MS that the generation model we've had up to this point needs to die and the iterative model needs to be pushed. There's no reason they can't get aggressive with the Pro and have it be the default system. It doesn't hurt the existing base and it allows devs to feel confident in building for the higher spec machine while maintaining compatibility with the regular PS4.
I fail to see how. PS4 is still selling better and I don't think Scorpio is going to shift it dramatically. And I don't see how VR would affect it.
Severe supply restrictions also.People saying it is low despite Sony saying it has surpassed their expectations. This was always a a console meant to supplement the OG SKU. Why do people keep thinking these mid-gen consoles are supposed to be more than that?
Keep seeing people say this and I don't get it. Why would an average consumer buying at this stage of the life cycle buy the more expensive product? They would clearly be price conscious - hence waiting this longOnly 1 and 5?
Okay, I got to say something otherwise that's super duper bait. I sorta expected the average consumer to go for the higher end - was the Pro pushed and bundled as much as the Slim?
I feel like you have very different expectations on what the Pro is than Sony does. They said it themselves that this is 1: A product for people who have higher expectations on graphics. 2: To slow down the rate of which consumers gravitate towards the PC. Having a high rate of upgraders is in line with this, they are your core users who want better graphics and likely won't gravitate towards PC with a Pro in their homes.
They never said that this was the new platform to drive the future of playstation. The base system is and always will be their primary seller, and they've produced units with that ratio in mind. If Sony was going for 50/50, their would be 3 million PS4 Pros on store shelves right now.
Look at the way they market. They don't talk about base vs. pro, they just market their games and their IPs. They are selling PS4s at an incredible clip, and don't care if it's pros or not. This is a stark contrast to the way Microsoft is marketing the s, which is "LOOK AT THIS NEW BOX IT'S THE BEST BOX, 4K!" because they are looking for the box to significantly boost sales.
Even if you look at it from a purely competitive position, you could say that the Pro boosted PS4 sales by 20%, or 2M units, while the competition only sold 5M units total in the same time period. A boost of 2M units is a significant amount.
Agreed, since we're PC-like now, smartphones get an upgrade every year as do computer parts so why shouldn't console (not every year, but you get the idea).
There's no set rule as to when a generation starts and end either so not really sure what to make of that.
I think it's a given that they will push Pro come this holiday because of Scorpio and that's a good thing for everyone.
So far they've been letting things unfold naturally to see how it goes, especially since it was a first for console space.
I don't buy this narrative of "is above expectations". Sony clearly released the PS4 Pro with a replacement mindset.
You always want to have a cheaper entry level system for budget consumers because at the end of the day, you make more money through game sales and add ons and getting people invested in the ecosystem. A pro can't be sold for $199 or $150 but the Slim can be while keeping their profit margins for the next 2 or 3 years so they would not phase it out.I guess my question would be: what is the harm in Sony phasing the regular PS4 out and focusing on the Pro with the stipulation that the games have to be compatible with the regular system? It's essentially reverse of what's going on now and that seems a rather backwards way of thinking to me. Push the new hardware it's not like people are going to stop buying the Pro because they discontinued the regular PS4.
Pro doesn't seem worth it, so I'm not shocked the Slim outsells it 4:1.
Had no idea it was supply constrained. Can walk to my local supermarket and find the shelves chock-full of Pros.
I don't buy this narrative of "is above expectations". Sony clearly released the PS4 Pro with a replacement mindset.
We got comments straight from the horses' mouth. If you don't believe it then whatever floats your boat.Exceeding? Um, don't think so.
These are all simply your assumptions. How can you be so sure they could've doubled production beyond "I THINK they could've"? Furthermore, even if the slim didn't exist, the OG PS4 was still a thing so that argument of yours is pretty much null.I think if they had only released the PSVR it would have sold double the amount or more. Same could be said for the Pro. Also, I forgot about releasing a PS4 slim at the same time as well. So those that may have upgraded to a Pro may not have and went for the cheaper slim or nothing at all. Sometimes too much choice can be a bad thing.
Not if the slim gets a price drop too, which it will have to.E3 price drop and could move to 40%
I don't buy this narrative of "is above expectations". Sony clearly released the PS4 Pro with a replacement mindset.
Lol Let me get this straight - they introduced a new slim version of the OG PS4 and the pro at the same time but somehow the pro was released clearly with a replacement mindset?I don't buy this narrative of "is above expectations". Sony clearly released the PS4 Pro with a replacement mindset.
Is it good?
I don't buy this narrative of "is above expectations". Sony clearly released the PS4 Pro with a replacement mindset.
You always want to have a cheaper entry level system for budget consumers because at the end of the day, you make more money through game sales and add ons and getting people invested in the ecosystem. A pro can't be sold for $199 or $150 but the Slim can be while keeping their profit margins for the next 2 or 3 years so they would not phase it out.
That seems quite low.
Then again, since I got mine, several of my mates got the regular or slim model. I'd been telling them good the Pro so I asked them why they didn't get it and they all said something along the lines of they didn't think it was worth the extra cost.
Eh I don't really agree with that. We don't know that you always need to have the cheaper version offered because we haven't had this situation before. How do we know that phasing the regular PS4 out for the Pro would hurt their momentum? We don't. It's all speculation at this point. Give people enough reason to buy the product and they'll buy it at the price you want to sell it for. It's always been like this.