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Digital Foundry: Assassin creed origins Xbox one x tech first look.
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You'd do terrific on N4G or something similar...
Xombies...
Ok, so, you care. What would make you care less?
Bits N Pieces
Member
If its exactly the same game on the Pro and 1X then that's shocking, there's a whole world of difference between these two consoles other than just the CPU. Although many seem fixated by it
Distant assets uses lower texel density and low poly versions. Impact in memory is minimal.
First wave of actions to reduce CPU bottleneck is reduce distant view, reduce lods, reduce FOV and shadow maps resolution. Next one is framerate.
Those are the main problems in current AAA games in low tier CPU consoles.
Portugeezer
Member
I hope DF will not suck XBX ass too much because they got invited to unveil the specs officially. Curious about other games on other platforms.
AC as good as it looks is clearly still held back by lower end hardware, which is to be expected.
AC as good as it looks is clearly still held back by lower end hardware, which is to be expected.
Say that when it releases.
geordiemp
Member
Amazing isnt it, so many people kept posting to check expectations.
Still think Scorpio is great for the industry, we need console makers to push the boat out and 499 for premium offerings is something I support.
Now, bring out a 499 ps5 sony with a Ryzen CPU, god damn.
it sucks, but still dont wnat to build a PC...
Journey
Banned
Not surprised to see all the shots fired in this thread lol, come on people, how many times did we discuss what was expected? games running 1080p on Xbox One would certainly run native 4K on Scorpio, whereas games at 900p like Ryse with much more ambitious engines would more than likely be running checkerboard. I like the fact that it's up to the developer where to put the extra resources, why ignore the fact that the footage looks gorgeous? They could've dropped some visual flair and made it native 4K, but do that just to shut up a few warriors who would just move to criticize something else? no thanks, give me the best possible visuals.
I expect the different between Xbox One X and PS4 Pro to be similar to the difference between PS4 and Xbox One, a pretty substantial one if not more so, and it was widely made into such a big deal, so it's kind of sad to see people start to water down what will likely be an even bigger difference. Get the popcorn ready folks!
I expect the different between Xbox One X and PS4 Pro to be similar to the difference between PS4 and Xbox One, a pretty substantial one if not more so, and it was widely made into such a big deal, so it's kind of sad to see people start to water down what will likely be an even bigger difference. Get the popcorn ready folks!
Luckydog
Member
I get it, you don't like being called out on your bullshit, but that's what it is. The truth hurts, but that's what it is. Suddenly when you are presented with your own posts, its cherry picking, when its your first post in a very recent thread, not something out of context from years ago. But feel free to continue back peddling, making excuses, moving goal posts, and name calling to cover up the BS posts.
I have no favorite company, and a multi national corporation doesnt need my help. What I do have a problem with is bullshit console warrior posters who shit up threads because their favorite piece of plastic with "Pro" written on top got its feelings hurt by the big bad phil spencer who clearly kicked your dog.
Disappointed, but not surprising. Unity and Syndicate were identical on consoles aswell.
MaximusPayne
Member
The hate is strong in this one....
CassidyIzABeast
Member
It's an AssCreed game so it's not that shocking. I believe Syndicate was identical on both platforms.
Yup, they only recently patched it to run 1080p on base PS4 whilst patching for the Pro.
ethomaz
Banned
Bits N Pieces
Member
I thought AC generally performed better and had a higher resolution on PS4 than on Xbox?
Shin
Banned
The game looks great regardless and that's coming from someone that hates this generation.
Come on. A 40% increase in you but the game looks exactly the same is down to cpu? We get it, you didn't like the cpu - you've made they clear for months now.
Fact is some multiplats will look the same, bar resolution. Destiny on Xbox one looked like the PS4 version despite its power difference. Plus it's early so things will improve.
Sounds like parity, like we got earlier this gen with Destiny and Diablo III.
It probably has more to do with allocating developer assets. It's easier to make a single 1X/Pro target than to support two versions with different capabilities.
Yeah its a shame Assassin's Creed and Destiny are in the spotlight when it comes to differentiating between the systems, when parity is what should be expected with these devs.
Not to say one should expect a massive difference between the two consoles, but these really aren't the games to be drawing comparisons.
Caayn
Member
The resolution could probably be higher, and other GPU related workloads as well. But looking at how the previous AC games turned out this generation* it'll probably not be realised.
*With the exception of AC:IV and the Pro patch for Syndicate.
Risk Breaker
Member
Hahaha, dude, I work daily with this stuff.
Let me try to explain it to you. LODs are not used to reduce ram usage, they are used to reduce the draw calls and polycount of a scene. When the player moves closer and a higher LOD pops, that higher LOD hasn't been loaded into ram then, it was already loaded (otherwise you would have insane amounts of stuttering).
For example the trees in the distance in, say, Witcher 3, are lower LODs in PS4/XB1 not because of RAM, because they are, most likely, literally THE SAME trees that are 5 meters away from you so they are already in memory, but to reduce draw calls and polycounts, and draw calls are one of the biggest CPU loads and usual performance bottlenecks.
Another example would be, say, a car in Forza. At lower LODs it will have not only a lower polycount but a lower amount of meshes as well.
Same with culling, the stuff that is not rendered is not loaded off the ram, it's just not rendered.
Lack of VRAM can be seen when a game stutters heavily due to not being able to keep all required textures at the same time or low res textures are seen while they stream in.
Obviously yes, in extreme scenarios if you are showing tons of unique assets in the same scene (something that very rarely happens in AAA games anymore, lots of assets are reused) you might have to cut drawing distance due to ram, but you will likely run into CPU bottlenecks before the differences in ram matter, especially considering we're talking about Jaguar.
Shadows could have better draw distances and higher quality though, as they rely almost entirely on GPU. SSAO could also be more precise and/or higher res. This is all assuming the same resolution though.
But LODs, tesselation, etc are not bottlenecked by RAM.
Crayon
Member
Ac unity was the original parity freak out. Whatever reason they had back then probably holds now.
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Control yourselves, people. It's just parity again.
geordiemp
Member
Too right, CPU affects the frame rate and pop in, AI and so much, and its so damn weak it pulls everything down so much for ambitious games (not driving or no AI multi)
40 % for GPU, 9.5 % for CPU - do you think games will run 40 % better or 9,5 % Better ?
How would the game run with a 250 % faster CPU (Ryzen) ?
This was predicted that will be the norm by many posters months and months ago. Heck was calling this last year in mid 2016....
Anyway, roll on to the next DF, all will become clearer eventually.
I like the scorpio as a precedent, it pushes the boat out on a pro version, well done MS I hope this continues, but we need a new CPU in consoles.
thelastword
Banned
So, the xb1x competes with the xb1s just like the pro then.....?
GHG
Gold Member
It's pretty clear you have a personal vendetta against me. So look, if you don't like my posting style or my opinions or my avatar or whatever else rubs you up the wrong way place me on your ignore list and continue your dance with the butterflies and the bees where everything is wonderful and Microsoft can do no wrong. Your accusations are dumbfounded and not once in any post that I've seen from you have you displayed the ability to put together a strong truthful and evidence based argument for anything. If you deem this:
...to be "shitting on a game" then you really need to get a grip.
You came into this thread, not to contribute to the topic at hand but to target me personally. It's boring. Jog on.
CONSPIRACY TIME.
Damn Sony, paying developers with marketing deals on other consoles just to not have the "worst" version.
Is there no end to their moneyhatting!?
/s
It doesn't matter what the performance delta is or where as visually the games are identical - it's parity but you are too blinkered to see. Keep fighting that fight soldier.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Console wars used to be so much simpler. Thanks Sony and MS!
GHG
Gold Member
You addressed ME not the content of the post. Clearly you can't distinguish between the two and therein lies the problem:
Quality post, would read again.
Luckydog
Member
hard to say it more clearly than that.
Jez Corden? Jez says a lot of things... So does Ubisoft. Both have repeatedly been proven to be wrong, or worse, lying.
Also who and how did ask it? Might he have asked someone that doesn't have this specific knowledge? Perhaps the question was interpreted as if their are any content differences?
He also said:
My interpretation is Ubisoft meant to say they handle the graphics in the same manner. I have a hard time believing Pro can achieve 2160cb/30 for most of the time, and will throttle resolution a whole lot more than 1X.
Also, since True 4K means nothing, 1X could use 2160cb, while Pro use 1800cb. They would both still be True 4K.
Luckydog
Member
Ah, you are not responsible for the content of your posts, no wonder they are clearly losing the plot. But please, by all means continue to move the issue around when lacking a coherent argument.
Look, we clearly dont agree. You have posted you want to stop and so have I. Lets agree to disagree and move on.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Game is checkerboarded and dynamic resolution, on both consoles I am guessing since Ubisoft says both versions are the same. Maybe that in this case the Xbox One X version will keep a higher resolution than the PS4 Pro most of the time, just like BF1 for example where the PS4 had a higher dynamic resolution than Xbox One. This would surely make a difference in terms of sharpness between the 2 titles at least.
geordiemp
Member
I am not blinkered by anything, got 2 360's, moved to 2 Ps4 pro, might move to 2 x scorpio BUT I now want 60 FPS gaming but no PC. Next decent CPU console I will be all over like a rash.
Its Jaguar. I am sure xb1x will look slightly better when DF zoom in, there will be better IQ for sure, but we cant put our faces on the 2 50 inch 4 K Tv's to damn see it.
vpance
Member
/Remembers 100+ page Ass Unity parity thread. War has changed.
Portugeezer
Member
Sucks for XBX is true, though it wouldn't be the only game thtat would be the same, e.g. The Crew and FIFA games looked the same despite PS4 being more powerful.
I believe Jez. There's always going to be games with parity like this. It was the same with PS4 and Xbone.
Luckydog
Member
Unfortunately for MS, they seem to be relying heavily on third party properties. If those third parties dont take advantage of extra power, it mostly goes to waste.
Retro Edge
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NullPointer
Member
If using that power is up to the developer, and even the biggest XBX launch titles aren't really showcasing that power, then we have to look towards future exclusives to set a new standard.
And that logic leads us right back to the lack of real exclusives on the platform.
And that logic leads us right back to the lack of real exclusives on the platform.