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Do you want crossplay on PS4? Make your voices be heard.

Nephtes

Member
I don't know about leaving anyone out, but I definitely think as much noise as possible to any dev that'll listen about crossplay is only a good thing.

Right, but the only reason there's any noise on this now is due to Rocket League and Minecraft leaving the PS4 out of the Switch and Xbox fun and games...

But those are only 2 products.
There needs to be some major 3rd party title to enable the CrossPlay feature in my opinion before Sony is going to decide to flinch...

A Call of Duty, or Overwatch or Destiny 2...
All of which seem unlikely given they're all Activision products and Activision seems happy to be in bed with Sony these days.
 
Would it be a good idea to start petitioning Bungie and Blizzard to enable CrossPlay between PC and Xbox for Destiny 2 and Overwatch?

More things need to go CrossPlay and leave the PS4 version out to light a fire under Sony's ass to make this happen.

Definitely a good idea to try and get more devs/pubs on board, but those types of pure shooter games might be harder to convince their devs on. Whether it be a perceived or actual skill imbalance.
 

VeeP

Member
People here act like games like CoD, Destiny, BF and all huge multiplayer oriented games will become cross play.
This will never happen until MS, SONY and Ninty allow K/M support on consoles. Can not imagine the outcry when PC gamers devastate and obliterate every console gamer in any FPS or TPS game online.

Your not wrong, but we could get PS/Xbox/Switch cross play on shooters. And for other games, for instance a Gunstar Heroes remake, we could see online co-op between systems.

Or for instance in Destiny, we could definitely do Raids/Strikes between systems.
 
Right, but the only reason there's any noise on this now is due to Rocket League and Minecraft leaving the PS4 out of the Switch and Xbox fun and games...

But those are only 2 products.
There needs to be some major 3rd party title to enable the CrossPlay feature in my opinion before Sony is going to decide to flinch...

A Call of Duty, or Overwatch or Destiny 2...
All of which seem unlikely given they're all Activision products and Activision seems happy to be in bed with Sony these days.
You do realize that Minecraft is a hugely popular game right? When this update takes off word will spread and fast.
 

Nephtes

Member
Definitely a good idea to try and get more devs/pubs on board, but those types of pure shooter games might be harder to convince their devs on. Whether it be a perceived or actual skill imbalance.

PVP CrossPlay between Xbox and PC might be a stretch... But in the case of Destiny 2, what would be wrong allowing matchmaking between the PC and Xbox versions for PVE content like Raids and Strikes?

Seems like a good way to increase the pool of players wanting to take on that content...

You do realize that Minecraft is a hugely popular game right? When this update takes off word will spread and fast.

Is it?
I mean I just don't know.
I've never played Minecraft and neither have any of my gaming friends.

The only people I know who play Minecraft are my very young nephews, none of whom have a Twitter account to let empty suit, Shawn Layden, how they feel...
 
"This is all just a ploy to make Sony look bad" logic is seriously catching on are you fucking kidding me? Y'all are the Republican Congress of the video game world.
 

ChrisD

Member
People here act like games like CoD, Destiny, BF and all huge multiplayer oriented games will become cross play.
This will never happen until MS, SONY and Ninty allow K/M support on consoles. Can not imagine the outcry when PC gamers devastate and obliterate every console gamer in any FPS or TPS game online.

Xim says hi

If someone wants to get an upper hand they can certainly do so.


Edit: CoD, Destiny and Overwatch are small fry compared to Minecraft, come on.

Second edit: didn't see the first post on this page where you said a big third-party like them needs to make a move before Sony budges. It's dumb of them if so, but you're probably right.
 

Nephtes

Member
People here act like games like CoD, Destiny, BF and all huge multiplayer oriented games will become cross play.
This will never happen until MS, SONY and Ninty allow K/M support on consoles. Can not imagine the outcry when PC gamers devastate and obliterate every console gamer in any FPS or TPS game online.

Destiny has plenty of PVE content like Strikes and Raids and Patrols...
What is the argument to disallow CrossPlay between Console and PC for those activities?
 
Honestly, this is something that isn't of much concern to me right now. Yes, cross-platform play is important, but as it is now I don't think it's something quite yet worth freaking out over. Right now, even though there's cross play for several games this gen, how many let you fully communicate with each other across systems? How many let you group up with others from other platforms? (and I'm talking non-Play-Anywhere games on these two questions) To me, there are two ways CPP is useful if 1.) it's a niche game where every extra player counts. CPP for small games can be the difference between a dead game after a few months or just enough people to keep it alive and worth playing. And 2.) I can both communicate and group up with others from different platforms. Otherwise it's just a novelty rather than anything practical.

Let's take Destiny 2 for example: Let's just say it had CPP for the sake of argument. Now if it's just cross play where you can be matchmade with others randomly in Crucible and Strikes, but can't communicate with them, nor can I invite my friends on other systems, then it's useless. It's not like I have to worry about the player population of a AAA game like Destiny; a game like that won't be hurting for players.

The reason I wanted it so bad for Microsoft Windows 10 PC games is because those games were still running through Xbox Live, and given how poorly those games have sold on PC (meaning really low player populations), if they were wanting me to drop $60 on their games, there damn well better be people to play with. And really they had no excuse. As previously mentioned, MS PC games run on the same Live infrastucture, so it's not like it was some great effort. Now if they put their games on Steam, I probably wouldn't have cared as much.

What Microsoft should do is talk to 3rd parties about getting CPP between the PC versions (and Switch versions if they exist) and Xbox versions of their games. Talk with EA to get Anthem having CPP. If more and more games, specifically AAA games, start doing cross play between every other system except Playstation, then Sony might start feeling the pressure. I think it will be an inevitability that Sony will eventually open up due to pressure, which is why I'm not worried about it. But as of now, it's relatively inconsequential.

Still, the day where CPP is standard across all platforms will be a great one, and hopefully it happens sooner rather than later.
 

MUnited83

For you.
PVP CrossPlay between Xbox and PC might be a stretch... But in the case of Destiny 2, what would be wrong allowing matchmaking between the PC and Xbox versions for PVE content like Raids and Strikes?

Seems like a good way to increase the pool of players wanting to take on that content...



Is it?
I mean I just don't know.
I've never played Minecraft and neither have any of my gaming friends.

The only people I know who play Minecraft are my very young nephews, none of whom have a Twitter account to let empty suit, Shawn Layden, how they feel...
The game is literally one of the most successful games in history. The game alone outsold the entirety of most of your favourite franchises.
 

Nephtes

Member
The game is literally one of the most successful games in history. The game alone outsold the entirety of most of your favourite franchises.

To be fair... My favorite franchises are Street Fighter and Dark Souls... and due to how Capcom has completely mismanaged the Street Fighter in recent years and how niche Dark Souls is, that's not exactly a very hard statement to make... ^_^;
 
To be fair... My favorite franchises are Street Fighter and Dark Souls... and due to how Capcom has completely mismanaged the Street Fighter in recent years and how niche Dark Souls is, that's not exactly a very hard statement to make... ^_^;

It still holds true, and Minecraft even sells in the education field.

Unless Bamco wants to try their hand at Dark Souls 8th grade adventures, which honestly wouldn't be too bad of an idea.
 

molnizzle

Member
Is it?
I mean I just don't know.
I've never played Minecraft and neither have any of my gaming friends.

The only people I know who play Minecraft are my very young nephews, none of whom have a Twitter account to let empty suit, Shawn Layden, how they feel...

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Nephtes

Member
It still holds true, and Minecraft even sells in the education field.

Unless Bamco wants to try their hand at Dark Souls 8th grade adventures, which honestly wouldn't be too bad of an idea.

I feel like you missed my point...which was that my favorite franchises are so mismanaged or niche, it wouldn't surprise me if a game like "Cheese Simulator 20XX" came out this summer and outsold them both combined...

On topic...when Cheese Simulator 20XX comes out, I hope it has PS4 CrossPlay...

Cheese Simulator 20XX is not a real thing to my knowledge, but I'd play it if it existed...
 

mrqs

Member
In my perfect world, every non-competitive mode in every game would have crossplay. It just needs some big games doing it, and then everyone would be furious if the next didn't had.

I'm hopefull.
 

Oresama

Member
I feel like you missed my point...which was that my favorite franchises are so mismanaged or niche, it wouldn't surprise me if a game like "Cheese Simulator 20XX" came out this summer and outsold them both combined...

On topic...when Cheese Simulator 20XX comes out, I hope it has PS4 CrossPlay...

Cheese Simulator 20XX is not a real thing to my knowledge, but I'd play it if it existed...

No......read title of OP again, the 'Topic' is to DO something about it by tweeting and/or contacting Sony.

Let's stay on course people.

Seems everyone loves to argue and voice there opinions. Use that as motivation to actually do something about it please.

EDIT: To everyone who has contributed, thanks for your support!
 

Tumle

Member
I think we should make a plea to both..
Sony please allow crossplay with switch and Xbox

And Microsoft what ever happens don't gimp the PS4 version.. please update accordingly with the other versions and have the same features like the others just leave crossplay out..

Thanks in advance :)
 

zeshakag

Member
There is no negative to the PS4 players because they already have the largest playerbase or access to the PC playerbase. However, it hurts Sony because if crossplay is allowed that's X number of people not buying PS4s to play with their friends. So Sony has no reason to stifle its sales for no benefit to existing players by supporting companies that can only erode their market share.

I am literally about to buy Tekken on PC because I can't play it on my PS4 with my friends due to lack of crossplay. It's a shame : (
 
I'm not saying do it now, but will you do it soon if it becomes clear that they aren't listening? Support the competition is how this is going to get changed in my view. You have to show them that they are actually losing because of this choice.

Because people are otherwise happy with their PS4 and don't want to give up? Are you taking this "just sell your ps4" stance on people that want to change their psn id or ps1 classics? I see it as something like external HD support, something the (vocal minority) community has long asked for and Sony finally implemented this year
 

GodofWine

Member
The only people I know who play Minecraft are my very young nephews, none of whom have a Twitter account to let empty suit, Shawn Layden, how they feel...

OK, imagine this, fast forward to a time when you have kids, billy and jane, they are 4 and 6. (Im totally guessing your 20ish, if not, replace you with a fake person, named Tom, he's 20)

PS7 just dropped, it has a REAL CPU finally and you want it..bad. But now you are in a place in life where billy and jane are playing games, and they want Minecraft, the good one, not the dead on the vine PS4 version none of their friends at school play, no no, they want an xbox one x two.2 ...

See, now you are not making the decision alone acting on your own desires, they are part of this too, and you'll probably cave to them. Now multiply this by A LOT of similar scenarios playing out in homes all across the globe, daily, beginning as soon as the new Minecraft version drops, and continuing forever (or until Sony caves). This holiday season I expect MS to trumpet from the heavens that they have the 'good minecraft' on xbox ONLY.

This is a big deal. Thats a lot of consoles shifted. Minecraft will probably never "not be popular" with kids.
 
Because people are otherwise happy with their PS4 and don't want to give up? Are you taking this "just sell your ps4" stance on people that want to change their psn id or ps1 classics? I see it as something like external HD support, something the (vocal minority) community has long asked for and Sony finally implemented this year

I'm saying if Sony feels this move is going to hurt their business financially, and their consumers who don't like it still give them money anyway, what real reason does Sony have to change this? What's their incentive? Why would they purposely hurt their business when there's no drawback for staying put? People keep saying Sony is a corporation who doesn't care about you and only their financials. So why would they change if there's no financial motivation involved? Sure make your voices be heard, but if they still stand by with the stance "nah, we're good," then what? If their move is financially motivated, then you need to hit them back financially if you want them to change.

External HDD support is financially motivated. They're not doing it for no reason. They're doing it so you buy more content.
 

DrkSage

Member
I'd be down for crossplay but it's not something I'm dying to need or whatever, but sonys excuse is pure bullshit that much is true. Just come out and say it, you'd do crossplay but not if it requires your player base to use the competition log in/online service or you don't want your player base to play with the competitions player base.
 

VeeP

Member
come out and say it, you'd do crossplay but not if it requires your player base to use the competition log in/online service

Only Minecraft needs Xbox Live. And that's because Microsoft owns Minecraft, so obviously they will use their own Microsoft log in.

Rocket League doesn't require Xbox Live or etc. log in service.

If EA ever uses cross play, they can easily use their own EA accounts which they make us sign up for no matter what console we use.
 
Because people are otherwise happy with their PS4 and don't want to give up? Are you taking this "just sell your ps4" stance on people that want to change their psn id or ps1 classics? I see it as something like external HD support, something the (vocal minority) community has long asked for and Sony finally implemented this year

external HD support is a good point, something only a vocal minority wants ,and we can use the same excuses people use in this thread

I don't care, doesn't affect me
buy an xbox if you want external HD
I rather Sony spend time/resource on more important things
it's a business decision
they are the market leader, they don't need to do anything

External HDD support is financially motivated. They're not doing it for no reason. They're doing it so you buy more content.

if it's such a no brainer financial move why did it take so long? it does hurt their sales of bigger HD SKUs, and takes their time and resources.

Iif Sony feels this move is going to hurt their business financiallyt.
good that you have an "if" there, that's not the reasoning they give for not supporting crossplay, and we don't know that's true, considering more PS4 owners could decide to subscribe to PS+ so their can play their friends on other platforms for a game like Minecraft
 
if it's such a no brainer financial move why did it take so long? it does hurt their sales of bigger HD SKUs, and takes their time and resources.

Finite resources, other priorities, etc. Make no mistake though, they have financial gains to be made by implementing it. If they were really worried about hurting bigger HD SKUs, they wouldn't allow people to swap their HDDs out. We've already known for a long time that they don't care about that aspect.
 

Ploid 3.0

Member
After reading about it and chatting in the many threads on this. I doubt sony will do it. I now understand why MS was reluctant to do it before, and why FFXI was the exception (it was important for them to get Square on their system). The best we can expect is Xbox One + PC + Switch + Mobile, and PS4 + PC + Mobile (maybe Nintendo). That's still good.

I am literally about to buy Tekken on PC because I can't play it on my PS4 with my friends due to lack of crossplay. It's a shame : (

Not a shame, play it where your friends are has been the advice for ages. And Tekken's situation is odd because instead of picking one of the platforms to crossplay with the PC version they picked none of the versions. So because all couldn't cross play no one can. Bad move on Namco's part. Anyway the PC version seems to be the best, win win. Just hope your friend sticks with it.
 
Finite resources, other priorities, etc. Make no mistake though, they have financial gains to be made by implementing it. If they were really worried about hurting bigger HD SKUs, they wouldn't allow people to swap their HDDs out. We've already known for a long time that they don't care about that aspect.

I don't know about that, there's good profit in these bigger HD PS4's or they wouldn't exist, there are always people that don't want to swap and upgrade HDs themselves, a lot easier to just pay a premium for a bigger HD PS4

and I totally can imagine seeing you 6 months ago defending Sony's "business decision" and telling people that want external HD support to just sell their PS4 and get an xbox,
 
After reading about it and chatting in the many threads on this. I doubt sony will do it. I now understand why MS was reluctant to do it before, and why FFXI was the exception (it was important for them to get Square on their system). The best we can expect is Xbox One + PC + Switch + Mobile, and PS4 + PC + Mobile (maybe Nintendo). That's still good.



Not a shame, play it where your friends are has been the advice for ages. And Tekken's situation is odd because instead of picking one of the platforms to crossplay with the PC version they picked none of the versions. So because all couldn't cross play no one can. Bad move on Namco's part. Anyway the PC version seems to be the best, win win. Just hope your friend sticks with it.

It's a shame that in this day age where in a conversation of video games, where crossplay is becoming more and more of a hot topic, it isn't widespread enough yet to have solved zeshacash's problem. As it sounds like he prefers to play tekken on playstation
 
good that you have an "if" there, that's not the reasoning they give for not supporting crossplay, and we don't know that's true, considering more PS4 owners could decide to subscribe to PS+ so their can play their friends on other platforms for a game like Minecraft

Come on, nobody is buying the official response. It's a bullshit response and anyone with half a brain can see right through it. There's so many holes in that response that everyone can see it won't float. So once you rule out their official excuse as being the real reason, you need to look at what the possible real reasons are. Seems like a lot of people don't want to discuss that and would rather bury their head in the sand yell why should they care and that anyone who does want to discuss it is a corporate shill.

We know they actually are okay with cross play because they've been doing it for years with the PC. Even games recently released are cross play with the PC. We also know officially they've stated they would like cross play in the past when they were not the market leader. So what has changed since then? Well first off they are the market leader by a huge margin and second now Microsoft wants cross play with the Xbox One. Those are the two differentiating factors. I think it's reasonable to conclude that either one or even both of those are the reasons. I'd imagine it can't be the market leader alone because again they've allowed it. Do you disagree with that?

If you agree, then it comes down to why are those factors stopping them from agreeing? What is their motivation for giving game players the finger? The conclusion that you guys seem to be coming to is they are a company and the company is not your friend, well then if that's the case, it's financially motivated is it not? If it's financially motivated then they have to feel that such a move hurts them more than it benefits. It's a perfectly logical and reasonable conclusion.

If you disagree with my breakdown of all this, then why are they doing it? What's your theory? If your theory is it hurts them because more people could subscribe to PS+ because of Minecraft and cross play, what rational reason is Sony turning down that money then? Please, tell me what Sony's motivations are for blocking this if it's not financial?

I don't know about that, there's good profit in these bigger HD PS4's or they wouldn't exist, there are always people that don't want to swap and upgrade HDs themselves, a lot easier to just pay a premium for a bigger HD PS4

and I totally can imagine seeing you 6 months ago defending Sony's "business decision" and telling people that want external HD support to just sell their PS4 and get an xbox,

There is but there's also more cost to running too many SKUs, retailers don't care to have a ton of SKUs for a hardware platform, plus a bigger HDD SKU doesn't do someone good after they've already bought the system. They would have had to known well in advance that they were going to need it. Some do, but many don't. So allowing the person to upgrade their HDD after the fact, makes it easier on the user and why would they want to upgrade? Because they need more space for games. So again, there is a financial incentive to allow easier access to upgrade HDDs after the fact.

I'm not even saying for everyone to sell their PS4. I'm saying if you're so angry about it, and feel that passionately about it, and the company isn't listening to you, the best thing you can do is speak with your wallet. I'll advocate that for anyone who is unhappy with and angry with a company. I would also have said if they aren't implementing it, it's either a) not a high priority for them right now, or b) it's not worth their time. These things don't happen in a vacuum and companies don't do things that will negatively impact them just because. There are always calculated reasons why a company does the moves that they do whether it be short term or long term effects.

They're not your friend, so why are we expecting them to bend over backward to negatively impact themselves if they have nothing to gain and only to lose? I think you have to show them that they have more to lose than gain by this decision and one way is to stop rewarding them for their behavior and convince more people to do the same. Understanding their motivations doesn't mean you have to agree, support or that they are making the right decision but certainly understanding their decision is a benefit to help figure a way to get what you want.
 
If you disagree with my breakdown of all this, then why are they doing it?

your walls of text are based on your premise that Sony would be hurt financially, I don't agree with that claim, I agree there's "some" cost, but like I said crossplay can drive up interest in PS+ and gain them more subscribers.

what's their real motivation? I don't know, Sony is free to tell us their real reason, but I'm not buying your hypotheticals
 

DrkSage

Member
Only Minecraft needs Xbox Live. And that's because Microsoft owns Minecraft, so obviously they will use their own Microsoft log in.

Rocket League doesn't require Xbox Live or etc. log in service.

If EA ever uses cross play, they can easily use their own EA accounts which they make us sign up for no matter what console we use.

Which is why I also added this little nugget
you don't want your player base to play with the competitions player base.

They should just come out and say the actual reason and not that bullshit excuse of "but think about the children?!?"
 
your walls of text are based on your premise that Sony would be hurt financially, I don't agree with that claim, I agree there's "some" cost, but like I said crossplay can drive up interest in PS+ and gain them more subscribers.

Considering how cross-play actually works, I just plain don't buy the argument that this hurts Sony. As I put it in another thread:

- in many games, cross-play will simply enlarge the matchmaking pool, which benefits those games by enabling easier matchups with players in your region, faster matchmaking in general, and more reliable matchmaking in nations with lower player counts for any given game

- in several games where an intermediary service exists, cross-play will allow players to play with one another and interact meaningfully (think Minecraft), but at something short of an OS-level.

Players who pick a platform based on where their friends are will still pick that platform because of OS-level functions that apply to all games. Groups, communities, messaging, partying up to matchmake together, etc. Games which take cross-play beyond that will have to rely on an intermediary service (think something like signing into uPlay or Origin) which will enable interactions like partying and chatting on a case-by-case basis.
 

The Jutty

Member
People here act like games like CoD, Destiny, BF and all huge multiplayer oriented games will become cross play.
This will never happen until MS, SONY and Ninty allow K/M support on consoles. Can not imagine the outcry when PC gamers devastate and obliterate every console gamer in any FPS or TPS game online.

Have you played Black Ops 3 on PC? Most of the community was pissed because controller with aim assist was better than mkb. I can't tell you how many times I was called a "controller fag" on that game.
 

kyser73

Member
your walls of text are based on your premise that Sony would be hurt financially, I don't agree with that claim, I agree there's "some" cost, but like I said crossplay can drive up interest in PS+ and gain them more subscribers.

what's their real motivation? I don't know, Sony is free to tell us their real reason, but I'm not buying your hypotheticals

Assuming this isn't some weird corporate thing (which I doubt since CPP to PC is allowed), this is completely about Sony looking at the spreadsheets and saying 'It will currently cost us more to enable this within the console space than we will gain.'

That cost/benefit analysis will include things like PS+ subs.

You haven't explained why cross-play would encourage someone without a PS+ sub already to get one. If I don't already have one I would suggest that I am already going to index lower on the likelihood of playing MP games anyway, so cross-play isn't especially likely to change that.

This campaign is what, 3 days old? The OP change petition (solely about Minecraft, by far & away the largest IP to be affected by this) has about 4300 signatures. That's less than 0.0001% of the PS4 user base.

Sony's decision on this will be publisher-driven, not consumer. It'll take a real heavyweight to make a publishing deal contingent on CPP being enabled to see movement on this IMO.
 

VeeP

Member
Which is why I also added this little nugget


They should just come out and say the actual reason and not that bullshit excuse of "but think about the children?!?"

Lol, that's why I only focused on that one part. Some gamers on this forum assume for crossplay to work you need to sign into Xbox Live. I thought maybe you were confused as well, so I wanted to clarify it was a Minecraft only thing.
 
There's a not-especially-credible word doing the rounds on no-name sites that Rockstar are investigating cross play for Red Dead 2... I'm guessing Xbox and PC if things are as they are.

I'm speculating Microsoft are going to third-party and trying to bring games to Windows Store with Xbox Play Anywhere support. It would make sense in that regard to add cross play support for pc/Xbox aswell.
 

CookTrain

Member
I'm speculating Microsoft are going to third-party and trying to bring games to Windows Store with Xbox Play Anywhere support. It would make sense in that regard to add cross play support for pc/Xbox aswell.

They need to pull their own finger out and start building some bridges with Steam then.
 
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