DeepEnigma
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How do they maintain such melanin being so far under the sea and away from the sun's UV rays?
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The little mermaid, chronicle of an established tragedy
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kunonabi
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And what's worse is Scuttle is being played Awkwafina.
Doom85
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How do they maintain such melanin being so far under the sea and away from the sun's UV rays?
I dunno, why does cartoon Sebastian have a different accent than the entire rest of the underwater cast? Strange how the Internet doesn’t obsess over that detail whenever the original is brought up…..
DeepEnigma
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Because he was a Jamaican immigrant,I dunno, why does cartoon Sebastian have a different accent than the entire rest of the underwater cast? Strange how the Internet doesn’t obsess over that detail whenever the original is brought up…..
Doom85
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DKehoe
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I dunno, why does cartoon Sebastian have a different accent than the entire rest of the underwater cast? Strange how the Internet doesn’t obsess over that detail whenever the original is brought up…..
DeepEnigma
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Are you saying crabs or lobsters can't be found from Jamaica?
DeepEnigma
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Then why are we injecting real world adult themes like virtue swapping, etc.?
Shit, there the adult brain goes again!
Doom85
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I’m saying no such backstory was stated in the film proper, therefore I strike down your feeble attempt at making your fanfiction official!
DeepEnigma
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I’m saying no such backstory was stated in the film proper, therefore I strike down your feeble attempt at making your fanfiction official!
Doom85
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An actress has been selected to play a fictional mermaid from a country of unknown origin if it ever existed in reality at all, and grown ass adults are whining “it’s not accurate, bro!”
Also, why did no one bitch about the skin tone of the underwater people of Atlantis in Atlantis: The Lost Empire?
DeepEnigma
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Good point. Why are they not melanin deprived in Atlantis: The Lost Empire too?An actress has been selected to play a fictional mermaid from a country of unknown origin if it ever existed in reality at all, and grown ass adults are whining “it’s not accurate, bro!”
Also, why did no one bitch about the skin tone of the underwater people of Atlantis in Atlantis: The Lost Empire?
Doom85
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DKehoe
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Is "virtue swapping" a term people use in the culture war now?
DeepEnigma
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IDK, I felt I made it up on the spot. Spread the word er phrase!
DeafTourette
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Sure, just make sure the guy is at least 6 feet tall, has a 7 figure income, and an 8" wang 'cause I want it to be believable
I got you!
Pilgrimzero
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Happosai
Hold onto your panties
My thoughts are the same. I feel all cinema started to suck by the mid-90's and my expectations after seeing some of these on streaming platforms was low regardless. I don't waste my time hoping Hollywood will go back to hiring good writers, cut CG down to 10% of special effects & go 90% practical, use real props, hire veteran actors, get rid of MIDI dubtstep soundtracks / bring back orchestral scoring or just film with real film and not digital cameras.
It's not coming back and movies started to suck long before Disney stepped in. Just my biased take.
My response is to forget these movies and watch something good. Looking for a movie with water, fish and such: 20,000 leagues Under the Sea (1954), Jaws (1975) or even the Abyss (1989).
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For Atlantis at least, you are seeing the benefit of ANIMATION over live action. It allows for more creative use of color and design without tying it to an actual human. As for high melanin low sunlight folks, much like the Inuit, perhaps these Atlanteans (and mermaids) are just VORACIOUS eaters of whale blubber and seals. Thats why Ariels friends are things you'd normally think she'd eat, like birds, crabs, and fishAn actress has been selected to play a fictional mermaid from a country of unknown origin if it ever existed in reality at all, and grown ass adults are whining “it’s not accurate, bro!”
Also, why did no one bitch about the skin tone of the underwater people of Atlantis in Atlantis: The Lost Empire?
"The Little Mermaid", as a fairy tale, has it's roots in Northern Europe and is CLEARLY written with a very specific demographic and owes pretty much all of its roots in Germanic folklore and myth. So to strip away some of it (like some of the characteristics of the mermaid herself "They were six beautiful children; but the youngest was the prettiest of them all; her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea; but, like all the others, she had no feet, and her body ended in a fish’s tail..... He fixed his coal-black eyes upon her so earnestly that she cast down her own, and then became aware that her fish’s tail was gone, and that she had as pretty a pair of white legs and tiny feet as any little maiden could have; but she had no clothes, so she wrapped herself in her long, thick hair. ....The slaves next performed some pretty fairy-like dances, to the sound of beautiful music. Then the little mermaid raised her lovely white arms, stood on the tips of her toes, and glided over the floor, and danced as no one yet had been able to dance." http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_merma.html) but keep so many other aspects (including, apparently, the historical time period) it cultural appropriation without respect to the source. Now if they took the core of the story, especially the Christian message about gaining an immortal human soul, in an adaptation that removed the rest, then cast whomever you like. But as it is, this is like taking an African mythology, SETTING IT IN HISTORICAL AFRICA, but casting some random races in there 'cause reasons. Sure, it was totally done (John Wayne as Ghengis Kahn comes to mind) but that doesn't excuse it.
Disney KNOWS that folks love TLM because of the beauty of the story (especially their version of it) AND the aesthetics of the period in which it was set. Ships of sail, a prince, those aspects are key which is why they didn't just set it in modern american Miami or whatever. They want to imitate the cartoon as much as they can but virtue signal as well. It's lazy at best IMHO because it deprives us of A. an original mermaid tale based off ACTUAL African origin mythology with the weight of Disney behind it, B. is a clear cash grab playing off the legacy of the cartoon and is HIGHLY unlikely to give any additional value , and C. is (potentially) insulting to anyone who appreciates the original story in a cultural context.
TGO
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What year is this? Have we gone back in time when anyone with a slight tint to their skin or brown eyes isn't White
I know you can get some Hispanics that look more Middle Eastern but come on
The dude is whiter then me.
Oh they already have a reason pre cocked and loaded to avoid criticism.....and you already know what it is.
diffusionx
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I don't think it is fair or appropriate to criticize the young lady's looks. She didn't choose to get miscast in this misguided adventure, nor should she have turned it down because higher ups made the stupid decision to hire her.
That's really the problem. Disney has this insatiable need for content for their stupid streaming platform, and they also have this massive bureaucracy of SJW commissars trying to implement this social agenda. We have seen it pop up over and over. You combine the two and you get a movie that really should not be made, with really bad casting decisions.
That's really the problem. Disney has this insatiable need for content for their stupid streaming platform, and they also have this massive bureaucracy of SJW commissars trying to implement this social agenda. We have seen it pop up over and over. You combine the two and you get a movie that really should not be made, with really bad casting decisions.
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BlackTron
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The Little Mermaid was my favorite ever since I saw it in the theater at 5 years old. These screen caps have already ruined my childhood, but thanks for explaining the source of my toxic masculinity!
mortal
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Imagine for a moment that they call the actor Jonah Hauer-King who got a role for a Disney movie and has to kiss a mermaid...
even for me, these animations terrify me
These realistic/ live action remakes have been so soulless imo
Heimdall_Xtreme
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TGO
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I never said he wasn't, you misunderstood my point.
To be honest He has always kinda reminded me of Jeffrey Dean Morgan tbh.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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definitive is better.
Dural
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What year is this? Have we gone back in time when anyone with a slight tint to their skin or brown eyes isn't White
I know you can get some Hispanics that look more Middle Eastern but come on
The dude is whiter then me.
I was thinking the same thing, since when are the Spanish not Caucasian? Hell middle easterners are also Caucasian. There seem to be a lot of people today that think only people of northwest European descent are white.
CortexVortex
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I don’t mind the actress but the animals look hilariously bad. Seriously, they’re nightmare fuel.
Oh well, I’d rather watch the OG for the 100th time than this.
Oh well, I’d rather watch the OG for the 100th time than this.
GymWolf
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Who they casted? Lizzo?
AREYOUOKAY?
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You mean the one time Disney faithfully kept the skin color basically the same for "their" characters?
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Was at the Dutch premiere two days ago. Its great and im not even a D&D fan. Surprise hit for sure.
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BlackTron
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For Atlantis at least, you are seeing the benefit of ANIMATION over live action. It allows for more creative use of color and design without tying it to an actual human. As for high melanin low sunlight folks, much like the Inuit, perhaps these Atlanteans (and mermaids) are just VORACIOUS eaters of whale blubber and seals. Thats why Ariels friends are things you'd normally think she'd eat, like birds, crabs, and fish
"The Little Mermaid", as a fairy tale, has it's roots in Northern Europe and is CLEARLY written with a very specific demographic and owes pretty much all of its roots in Germanic folklore and myth. So to strip away some of it (like some of the characteristics of the mermaid herself "They were six beautiful children; but the youngest was the prettiest of them all; her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea; but, like all the others, she had no feet, and her body ended in a fish’s tail..... He fixed his coal-black eyes upon her so earnestly that she cast down her own, and then became aware that her fish’s tail was gone, and that she had as pretty a pair of white legs and tiny feet as any little maiden could have; but she had no clothes, so she wrapped herself in her long, thick hair. ....The slaves next performed some pretty fairy-like dances, to the sound of beautiful music. Then the little mermaid raised her lovely white arms, stood on the tips of her toes, and glided over the floor, and danced as no one yet had been able to dance." http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_merma.html) but keep so many other aspects (including, apparently, the historical time period) it cultural appropriation without respect to the source. Now if they took the core of the story, especially the Christian message about gaining an immortal human soul, in an adaptation that removed the rest, then cast whomever you like. But as it is, this is like taking an African mythology, SETTING IT IN HISTORICAL AFRICA, but casting some random races in there 'cause reasons. Sure, it was totally done (John Wayne as Ghengis Kahn comes to mind) but that doesn't excuse it.
Disney KNOWS that folks love TLM because of the beauty of the story (especially their version of it) AND the aesthetics of the period in which it was set. Ships of sail, a prince, those aspects are key which is why they didn't just set it in modern american Miami or whatever. They want to imitate the cartoon as much as they can but virtue signal as well. It's lazy at best IMHO because it deprives us of A. an original mermaid tale based off ACTUAL African origin mythology with the weight of Disney behind it, B. is a clear cash grab playing off the legacy of the cartoon and is HIGHLY unlikely to give any additional value , and C. is (potentially) insulting to anyone who appreciates the original story in a cultural context.
This is an intelligent informed take that gets at the heart of the issue.
If they want to do a different version of the Mermaid story, fine. Why are they taking the one we already have and copying it storyboard shot for shot, with extreme effort taken to even translate the costume designs to real life, with an obvious intent to invoke this as the live-action version of the movie you already know, while changing all these other aspects of the film and characters that have defined how we think and feel about them since we were introduced 30 years ago? It just doesn't fit. I mean, maybe this actress could have had her own Mermaid tale, trying to have her come in and wear the same outfits in the same shots talking to the same red crab and yellow flounder so she can woo the same sailor with the same rolled up white cuffs...it's like they're begging us to think of the old movie. I think they did this to copy/paste because they are creatively bankrupt but all it does is force us to remember the past and think about how much worse this is. They could make a new TLM movie, good or bad, without violating your childhood.
I haven't seen *any* of the live-action remakes, I only needed to watch a Lion King trailer to know it was a gimmick to translate the animation to CGI/live-action to get a movie out. I was neither for nor against it, it seemed like a benign double-dip, like a soulless game remake, But now they are taking the husks of old movies, recreating them in live action down to the smallest details, but changing major aspects of the characters and presentation. Can't they either just make a different movie, a different version of TLM, or leave our childhoods alone? I mean, Disney knows exactly what BS they are pulling here.
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For Atlantis at least, you are seeing the benefit of ANIMATION over live action. It allows for more creative use of color and design without tying it to an actual human. As for high melanin low sunlight folks, much like the Inuit, perhaps these Atlanteans (and mermaids) are just VORACIOUS eaters of whale blubber and seals. Thats why Ariels friends are things you'd normally think she'd eat, like birds, crabs, and fish
"The Little Mermaid", as a fairy tale, has it's roots in Northern Europe and is CLEARLY written with a very specific demographic and owes pretty much all of its roots in Germanic folklore and myth. So to strip away some of it (like some of the characteristics of the mermaid herself "They were six beautiful children; but the youngest was the prettiest of them all; her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea; but, like all the others, she had no feet, and her body ended in a fish’s tail..... He fixed his coal-black eyes upon her so earnestly that she cast down her own, and then became aware that her fish’s tail was gone, and that she had as pretty a pair of white legs and tiny feet as any little maiden could have; but she had no clothes, so she wrapped herself in her long, thick hair. ....The slaves next performed some pretty fairy-like dances, to the sound of beautiful music. Then the little mermaid raised her lovely white arms, stood on the tips of her toes, and glided over the floor, and danced as no one yet had been able to dance." http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_merma.html) but keep so many other aspects (including, apparently, the historical time period) it cultural appropriation without respect to the source. Now if they took the core of the story, especially the Christian message about gaining an immortal human soul, in an adaptation that removed the rest, then cast whomever you like. But as it is, this is like taking an African mythology, SETTING IT IN HISTORICAL AFRICA, but casting some random races in there 'cause reasons. Sure, it was totally done (John Wayne as Ghengis Kahn comes to mind) but that doesn't excuse it.
Disney KNOWS that folks love TLM because of the beauty of the story (especially their version of it) AND the aesthetics of the period in which it was set. Ships of sail, a prince, those aspects are key which is why they didn't just set it in modern american Miami or whatever. They want to imitate the cartoon as much as they can but virtue signal as well. It's lazy at best IMHO because it deprives us of A. an original mermaid tale based off ACTUAL African origin mythology with the weight of Disney behind it, B. is a clear cash grab playing off the legacy of the cartoon and is HIGHLY unlikely to give any additional value , and C. is (potentially) insulting to anyone who appreciates the original story in a cultural context.
This is a good post that applies to numerous adaptations of this story.
It actually reminds me of how Studio Ghibli adapted it. They warped and actualized numerous aspects and characters , but at the end of the day it was still faithful at heart and to the characters. I don't get why Disney and other studios grapple with this.
Edit: I have to add, none of us has actually seen the movie so these are all hot takes. Buuuuut I think we all get the gist
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Toons
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Its simple. Thats not a real thing.
You even state that you made it up on the spot.
They cast her because she fit the role the best. They auditioned many and she was one of the first people they saw. She beat them all out. The director stated this.
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Ulysses 31
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Indeed but she's also partaking in PR that's alluding to that the new version fixes old classic version.
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DeepEnigma
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Probably not. Atleast they kept using the beloved characters people liked.
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