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[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Time to start adding the accolades to the full screen ad.

IGN 4/10

 

[King Dazzar]

Hmmm, weird. I'm in the US so I've been expecting it, but nothing. I do remember the Starfield full screen popup, but I was already playing it so just closed it. I don't think I ever got one for Forza either???

Not sure what the criteria is.

No CoD ad on my Xbox, but the PS5 dash always has a CoD ad when I boot either console.

I didn't get the Starfield or Forza ads either, but then again I already had the Starfield premium upgrade so I wasn't the target there ?

I never had either of the other two. But I did have them preinstalled or ready to go when released. That might be why. I dont have any ads or an explore tab at all on my PS5... For me MS are pushing their luck. I miss the days of my X1X, I wont lie.

 

[Punished Miku]

A picture you can skip in a millisecond. A tile that does not overlap anything else or play sound automatically.

This thread is about a tile that literally covers the entire screen and overlaps literally everything until you interact with it.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

The internet is plastered with ads and Xbox still has one of the most unintrusive ads on the internet.
A picture you can skip in a millisecond. A tile that does not overlap anything else or play sound automatically.

All that is so far from the bad stuff you encounter everywhere else, but people like to hate on this for whatever reason.

Your not defending a Xbox game, feature or hardware. Your defending ads. Take that console war bs somewhere else.

 

[Punished Miku]

Your not defending an Xbox game, feature or hardware. Your defending ads. Take that console war bs somewhere else.

Yes, and as we know from Gold, and PS+ everyone will follow. Pay for online was Xbox only and now it's all 3. Pay for subscription with games was PS only and now it's all 3. Microtransaction was Oblivion only, now it's virtually everything.

This is an issue for everyone that plays games.

 

[Banjo64]

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Yes, and as we know from Gold, and PS+ everyone will follow. Pay for online was Xbox only and now it's all 3. Pay for subscription with games was PS only and now it's all 3. Microtransaction was Oblivion only, now it's virtually everything.

This is an issue for everyone that plays games.

We are looking at patient zero of an ad apocalypse. We need stop this shit here and now.

 

[Insane Metal]

Lol that's the future for Xbox now, amazing

 

[semiconscious]

serious question: when was the last time looking at an ad convinced you to buy something that you, up to that point, had no interest in buying?...

i've always been convinced that advertising, particularly internet-related advertising, doesn't actually influence people nearly as much as all these corporations have become convinced it does. & that it's all, to a very large extent, a massive scam being run by advertising firms & public-relations departments...

 

[Punished Miku]

serious question: when was the last time looking at an ad convinced you to buy something that you, up to that point, had no interest in buying?...

i've always been convinced that advertising, particularly internet-related advertising, doesn't actually influence people nearly as much as all these corporations have become convinced it does. & that it's all, to a very large extent, a massive scam being run by advertising firms & public-relations departments...

It can sit in your subconscious mind. Then you go to the store and you may grab a brand you saw advertised a month earlier and have no actual awareness of what pushed you over the edge. It doesn't work on everyone, but with the amount of money they spend on ads the richest corporations in the world are all convinced it's worth it.

I would be willing to bet there is some sinister psychological data about the subconscious impact of exiting out of a forced ad manually, triggering some subconscious emotion of "I just denied myself something" that sticks in your brain and strikes later.

 

[Zheph]

serious question: when was the last time looking at an ad convinced you to buy something that you, up to that point, had no interest in buying?...

i've always been convinced that advertising, particularly internet-related advertising, doesn't actually influence people nearly as much as all these corporations have become convinced it does. & that it's all, to a very large extent, a massive scam being run by advertising firms & public-relations departments...

It works much better than you think or companies wouldn't splash as much money in it as they do
Plenty of studies to prove it

 

[semiconscious]

It can sit in your subconscious mind. Then you go to the store and you may grab a brand you saw advertised a month earlier and have no actual awareness of what pushed you over the edge. It doesn't work on everyone, but with the amount of money they spend on ads the richest corporations in the world are all convinced it's worth it.

I would be willing to bet there is some sinister psychological data about the subconscious impact of exiting out of a forced ad manually, triggering some subconscious emotion of "I just denied myself something" that sticks in your brain and strikes later.

um, yeah, this's exactly the kind of edward bernays based bullshit that all these advertisers & pr people spout & most definitely want you to believe. but where's the data establishing that it's based on fact? particularly in an age when, thanks to the internet, even max headroom's blipverts have been surpassed & peoples attention span's been reduced to negative numbers?...

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

You don't have to interact with a trailer. You can go late. Those trailers also suck and tons of people have stopped going to theaters entirely. You don't click 1 button while watching a trailer to spend $100. The trailers don't magically surprise you when you're doing other things and block you from accessing it until you acknowledge and interact with it.

Interact

You can hit B. It’s not hard.

Also you have to hit more than one button to buy the game. Hitting the button to buy on the ad would still take you to the product page, then you’d have to confirm payment method, then confirm the purchase. And that’s assuming you don’t have any security on your account that requires you to enter a passcode before purchase, which is something everyone should have on all consoles.

The bellyaching about this is ridiculous, even for GAF.

 

[Drew1440]

To be fair, upon launch on steam you do get a popup of a bunch of ads for discounted games or new games

Also appears when you exit a Steam game, and it's done that since I started using Steam in 2011.

 

[Guerilla Munch]

Wait I thought this was just an ad letting users know that MW3 was on Gamepass, but it's an ad to BUY the game? The game isn't even on Gamepass?

lmaooooooooooooo

 

[twilo99]

Isn’t it “standard procedure” on the Xbox now? I feel like I saw one for starfield and Forza too..

 

[Flutta]

I don't think it's so much people who are pushing back on criticism of this, are arguing against the right to complain, but more so this notion that not being outraged by a forced ad on a plastic toy equates to being naive, and being outraged means you're a sophisticated intellectual.

How do you know? Usually people like to push back on criticism of their favorite brand for example. People say anything to defend their 'plastic toy'..... regarding being naïve, in most cases that is true, you are a naive person if you trust a mega corporation. I mean do we really have to go there?

Not so sure why you are equating outrage with being sophisticated intellectual... a bit over dramatic are we lol

Also i don't think people are outraged per se. From my understanding they are more concerned that their 'plastic toy' as you put it, will turn into an ad machine and they have all the right to think that way. These corpos are greedy s** o** b** and they will do anything to milk you dry.. unless you believe otherwise, if that's the case then you are being naïve

Anyways back to BF2024

 

[bitbydeath]

IIRC, unless you previously purchased singstar songs, all you could access were 1 minute demos. I have no qualms with demos (advertisements for games) being pre-installed on a console, but I have never heard someone describe a demo as a free game.

It wasn’t a demo but a FTP (Free-to-play) version of SingStar.

 

[semiconscious]

It works much better than you think or companies wouldn't splash as much money in it as they do
Plenty of studies to prove it

you don''t think that corporate greed alone could convince them to believe things that they want to believe? such as that internet advertising actually works? well, think again:

When P&G turned off $200 million of their digital ad spending, they saw NO CHANGE in business outcomes [1]. When Chase reduced their programmatic reach from 400,000 sites showing its ads to 5,000 sites (a 99% decrease), they saw NO CHANGE in business outcomes [2]. When Uber turned off $120 million of their digital ad spending meant to drive more app installs, they saw NO CHANGE in the rate of app installs [3]. When big brands stopped spending on digital ads, nothing happened. Even further back in time, in 2015 a large medical device company turned off half of its digital ad spend, and saw conversions stay the same (chart below) [Harvard Business Review], and in 2012, eBay turned off their paid search ad spending, and saw NO CHANGE in sales coming from those sources [4]...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/august...tal-ads-nothing-happened-why/?sh=473ef7671166

 

[Z O N E]

I personally wouldn't mind these ads if they were showing games I have on my wish list that are for sale.

So, for example, I boot up my console and it'll tell me "These games you have on your wish-list are all on sale".

I'd 100% check them out.

 

[Duchess]

The bellyaching about this is ridiculous, even for GAF.

Stop defending the increasing encroachment of advertising into spaces where it does not belong, you twit.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Stop defending the increasing encroachment of advertising into spaces where it does not belong, you twit.

Do you guys have a GoFundMe set up for expenses related to the emotional damage this has caused you?

Also I see we’re still at the point here on GAF where not throwing a mindless fit about something = defending

 

[Duchess]

Do you guys have a GoFundMe set up for expenses related to the emotional damage this has caused you?

You're an idiot.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Yeah it sucks, but what can we do? I fucking hate basically all commercials, but how will complaining about it on Gaf fix anything? When it comes to streaming, you have to pay to avoid them. I have old DVDs and blu rays that I own and some of them have previews that are unskippable.

Notice how nobody has put out a auto-mute feature on tv's because ad revenue makes the freakin' world go around, apparently.

 

[Impotaku]

Microsoft in a few years

GAF: I DoN't seE WhaT thE ProbLeM Is

 

[MarkMe2525]

It wasn’t a demo but a FTP (Free-to-play) version of SingStar.

The pre-installed game gave you access to ZERO free songs. To play, you had to purchase an individual song, or purchase a song pack. It was not a "free" game, it technically wasn't even a "free-to-play" game unless you would count launching the application as playing.

So you are technically right that it wasn't a demo, it was less useful than a demo.

Source:

SingStar free-to-play interview: PS Eye as a mic, not the end of boxed releases

Yes SingStar is going free-to-play: Sony has confirmed it and I've interviewed the senior producer.The free SingStar XM…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

You're an idiot.

Let me know where to send the financial support, sweetie. I hate to see you suffer. I already went through it. Every second of that half second it took for me to close the ad, it felt like an eternity.

 

[bitbydeath]

The pre-installed game gave you access to ZERO free songs. To play, you had to purchase an individual song, or purchase a song pack. It was not a "free" game, it technically wasn't even a "free-to-play" game unless you would count launching the application as playing.

So you are technically right that it wasn't a demo, it was less useful than a demo.

Source:

SingStar free-to-play interview: PS Eye as a mic, not the end of boxed releases

Yes SingStar is going free-to-play: Sony has confirmed it and I've interviewed the senior producer.The free SingStar XM…

www.eurogamer.net

Nothing at all related to an ad pop-up.
It was an actual game you could play.

 

[yansolo]

never thought id see anyone defend ad's or think theyre acceptable

 

[damidu]

lol totally expecting them to force install that 100gb cod hub to people's boxes in a few years.
they'll never run out of morons lapping up their shit

 

[MarkMe2525]

Nothing at all related to an ad pop-up.
It was an actual game you could play.

Lol I know, I was responding to some misinfo you stated. Also, it was not a game you could play, it was just the store front. It was an advertisement to invite you to purchase content, so one could then play.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

serious question: when was the last time looking at an ad convinced you to buy something that you, up to that point, had no interest in buying?...

i've always been convinced that advertising, particularly internet-related advertising, doesn't actually influence people nearly as much as all these corporations have become convinced it does. & that it's all, to a very large extent, a massive scam being run by advertising firms & public-relations departments...

The purpose of ad-bombing is just to make sure you are constantly aware Brand exists and therefore one day when you are considering a purchase of something you will remember Brand's products.

This is why car commercials run non-stop everywhere even though a car is something your average person buys every 5-10 years. They want to make sure that you purchase Brand of car because if you don't purchase Brand, they will have lost that sale for the next 5-10 years. It's critically important that you are aware of Brand car at all times because of how rarely you're gonna buy a car during your lifetime.

Since a console generation lasts on average 6-8 years, the same rule applies to game consoles. They need to be sure you buy Brand console when you make your choice, or they have lost the sale for another 6-8 years. Most gamers on Earth DO NOT own multiple consoles at once, only the few hardcore gamers actually do this.

 

[TwiztidElf]

Final straw for me personally.
Xbox was my main for OG and 360 gens.
Like most, lost interest during the XB1.
I jumped back in for FH5 and Halo a couple of years back.
Jumped back in for Starfield and FM this year. Enjoyed what I played, but wasn't blown away.

And now this sort of bullshit? They're behaving as though they have a compelling product and are market leader. Not as an also-ran that needs to win customers.
Now, I expect I'll never buy an Xbox console ever again.

 

[SJRB]

It's just an ad, bro
Just close the ad, bro
Not a big deal, bro
Literally takes like 3 seconds, bro

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Final straw for me personally.
Xbox was my main for OG and 360 gens.
Like most, lost interest during the XB1.
I jumped back in for FH5 and Halo a couple of years back.
Jumped back in for Starfield and FM this year. Enjoyed what I played, but wasn't blown away.

And now this sort of bullshit? They're behaving as though they have a compelling product and are market leader. Not as an also-ran that needs to win customers.
Now, I expect I'll never buy an Xbox console ever again.

What if the others do it too? Would you really quit gaming over this? I know I'm about to quit watching the NFL with all those awful commercials.

 

[TwiztidElf]

Don't need to quit gaming (yet). Still got PC/Nintendo/Retro and Sony, but Sony are worryingly going down the MS path.
But if they all pull this bullshit, yeah, stick with the Retro goldmine.

 

[SidViscous]

You may be okay with this now, but soon MS will be doing this for every big first party release! that's like 2-3 pop-ups a year!

 

[King Dazzar]

What if the others do it too? Would you really quit gaming over this? I know I'm about to quit watching the NFL with all those awful commercials.

For me I'm now seriously thinking about selling my XSX. But I still have some stuff in there eco system, so I may just resign myself to not spending anything else on the system. I've been doing that for quite a while now anyway. Its highly likely this is my last Xbox. Its one of many reasons this gen that keeps pushing me away from Xbox.

If this kind of abusement were then to infect the PlayStation, then I'd likely have to return to PC gaming. You're at risk there due to windows being MS, but there are usually work arounds.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

You are justifying a company displaying full screen interactive ads and then trying to insinuate everyone is soft for not taking it up the rear like yours truly.

I hope your getting paid to sell your self respect.

I literally press a button and its gone. Im sorry that such things affect you so bad, maybe you should all together stop using electricity and move to the mountains if such a trivial thing affected you so much..

Who is taking what up the rear? Stop being a drama queen jesus.

 

[Elginer]

I purchased this piece of shit by accident due to that shitty ass ad. I was in the other room hitting on the button to open YouTube which is my default and I bought this mofo. I asked for a refund and got denied. You win this round you sons of bitches. I hope that at least zombies is somewhat enjoyable.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I purchased this piece of shit by accident due to that shitty ass ad. I was in the other room hitting on the button to open YouTube which is my default and I bought this mofo. I asked for a refund and got denied. You win this round you sons of bitches. I hope that at least zombies is somewhat enjoyable.

You can appeal that deny once you get the email, you wont be forced to keep it if you havent played it especially

Xbox gives you 2 hour play window

 

[ReBurn]

I purchased this piece of shit by accident due to that shitty ass ad. I was in the other room hitting on the button to open YouTube which is my default and I bought this mofo. I asked for a refund and got denied. You win this round you sons of bitches. I hope that at least zombies is somewhat enjoyable.

That's bad luck. A couple of weeks ago I accidentally purchased something I forgot was in my cart when I bought something else. I requested a refund almost immediately. The refund robots approved it in under 3 minutes. You should appeal it.

 

[King Dazzar]

I purchased this piece of shit by accident due to that shitty ass ad. I was in the other room hitting on the button to open YouTube which is my default and I bought this mofo. I asked for a refund and got denied. You win this round you sons of bitches. I hope that at least zombies is somewhat enjoyable.

Sorry, I did laugh. But historically at least. Its one of the good points about the Xbox. I've usually been fine getting a refund.

 

[Elginer]

Sorry, I did laugh. But historically at least. Its one of the good points about the Xbox. I've usually been fine getting a refund.

Same, this the first time I’ve ever been denied. I was like really my dude’s??!!!

 

[Punished Miku]

I purchased this piece of shit by accident due to that shitty ass ad. I was in the other room hitting on the button to open YouTube which is my default and I bought this mofo. I asked for a refund and got denied. You win this round you sons of bitches. I hope that at least zombies is somewhat enjoyable.

Totally saw that coming.

 

[StereoVsn]

Defending this shit is plain crazy. You are talking full page ads so it’s asking for a kid to spend $100 or whatever the super premium ultra pro plus edition costs if parents didn’t lock the console.

It’s also a shit practice overall to blast full page ad to a $500 hardware product you bought. It’s not even a god damn GamePass advert but a push for a full priced product. And there is no opt out option. No wonder this shit isn’t pushed to EU because MS would get slapped for it.

 

[BlackTron]

I asked for a refund

 

[Taur007]

That's complete garbage. Fuck that.

I was just coming around to dealing with this shitty UI change they did for the system. Ads like this are completely out of line. I don't care if you do that shit to casual gamers that don't know up from down, but there must be an opt out or I will be pissed. Same shit on my fucking Vizio TV now too.

The default option is buy now? So a fucking toddler can turn your console on and just hit A 3x and blow $100.

Bro it's just an ad, calm down and just hit exit, takes one sec, you entitled brats act like it's physically killing you to press a button. Hell Im just glad to be here in this century to be able to experience a Series X/PS5 and all the other cool tech we have at our disposal today and you guys are crying about a f******* advertisement? Imagine you were born in the 1800s or something you guys would've literally died from boredom probably

 

[semiconscious]

The purpose of ad-bombing is just to make sure you are constantly aware Brand exists and therefore one day when you are considering a purchase of something you will remember Brand's products.

This is why car commercials run non-stop everywhere even though a car is something your average person buys every 5-10 years. They want to make sure that you purchase Brand of car because if you don't purchase Brand, they will have lost that sale for the next 5-10 years. It's critically important that you are aware of Brand car at all times because of how rarely you're gonna buy a car during your lifetime.

Since a console generation lasts on average 6-8 years, the same rule applies to game consoles. They need to be sure you buy Brand console when you make your choice, or they have lost the sale for another 6-8 years. Most gamers on Earth DO NOT own multiple consoles at once, only the few hardcore gamers actually do this.

from the article i linked to above:

Through these experiments marketers large and small made digital ads work better for them. Chase did not need to show their ads on 400,000 websites, when showing ads to humans on 5,000 yielded the same outcomes. Small business owners did not need to buy millions of ad impressions, when buying 1/10 the quantity yielded more sales. Nowhere else is the phrase “you get what you pay for” more applicable than in digital marketing. If you are buying large numbers of low-cost ad impressions from programmatic channels, you’re likely getting ripped off instead of doing digital marketing. Run your own experiments — give your digital ad spending a “time out.” It’d be “fou” (“crazy”) if you don’t...

i never claimed that advertising serves no purpose whatsoever. what i said was:

serious question: when was the last time looking at an ad convinced you to buy something that you, up to that point, had no interest in buying?...

i've always been convinced that advertising, particularly internet-related advertising, doesn't actually influence people nearly as much as all these corporations have become convinced it does. & that it's all, to a very large extent, a massive scam being run by advertising firms & public-relations departments...

& i definitely feel that to be true. beyond a certain point, 'more is better' might be great for advertising agencies & p.r. departments, but it's highly questionable this it actually benefits anyone else...

edit: also, how many gamers do you really suppose need to be regularly reminded that the call of duty franchise, a series that even non-gamers know of, exists?...

 

[The Fuzz damn you!]

& i definitely feel that to be true. beyond a certain point, 'more is better' might be great for advertising agencies & p.r. departments, but it's highly questionable this it actually benefits anyone else...

edit: also, how many gamers do you really suppose need to be regularly reminded that the call of duty franchise, a series that even non-gamers know of, exists?...

So… why do *you* think MS did this?