PanicFreak
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Things I've read in the past from analysts have suggested that heads would roll at Microsoft if it doesn't meet its date. Microsoft is going to hit that date.
It would suck if it got downgraded though.
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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Things I've read in the past from analysts have suggested that heads would roll at Microsoft if it doesn't meet its date. Microsoft is going to hit that date.
It would suck if it got downgraded though.
BossLackey
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You go girl.
shinra-bansho
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Well not all the "insiders," just all the credible ones.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Wasn't the Xbox more expensive as well? I don't know.
Anyway, I think this holiday season is unique in many ways. Most of which is because both are launching around the same time. So it will be interesting to see if power and price has a profound effect on Joe Blow out there. In the end it will be about the games for sure, and I think both will have a lot of great things to offer. Regardless of opinion this year is going to be really interesting.
How can they not be lucky where their competition is doing everything to not buy their console ?
I plan to buy xbox one and ps4 and i will also be playing on PC but this is rarity on market. Most of the people have one console and they want best one (in their mind).
They bet on gaming console as focus and it payed off where xbone focused on mediahub where they have tons of problems with it and ton of bad press (drm etc)
Problem is this current gen is beyond over and sales are just horrible.
Not really it depends which way they would "spin" a delay. They probably could use the once in-a-while connection test thing and saying they are redesigning that and make some mention of how consumers made them honest. Similar to a Disney ra ra speech.
Graphics Horse
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Maybe. Collar Duty is still going to sell the most on 360 anyway.
Wasn't that before they shelved their GI system?
I H8 Memes
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Launching this year isnt a problem as long as they dont lower the clock speed and just accept the lower yields. Yields will eventually get better. Once the clock speed is lowered then they are stuck with that clock speed for the entire generation.
Crimson_Gold
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Other insiders have corroborated his story. Also, Thuway is rather credible. This could happen if MS is forced to choose between a delay and a power reduction to meet the targeted release date.
It's not luck, it is taking the right decisions, saying the right things.
Felix Lighter
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They try to manufacture as many chips as they can fit on a silicon wafer. They then test the chips to see if they are up to spec. Low yield means there are more chips than expected not meeting the spec. Their options are to delay the launch, lower the spec (down-clocking) so more chips can meet it, accept the low yields and be supply constrained and cost inefficient or use brute force and try to pump out as many as they can, also cost inefficient.
BruiserBear
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If I'm being entirely honest, I have a hard time believing all this bad Xbox news is true. I just can't imagine them bumbling things this badly, but then again, I could have never foreseen how badly they'd handle that Xbox One unveiling a couple weeks ago, so........
I'd bet anything that given the choice, they'd go ahead with the launch, just like they did with the 360. If Microsoft learned anything from the RROD debacle, it's that ultimately most customers didn't let it bother them that much. Most just stuck with the console, even after multiple failures.
I'd bet anything that given the choice, they'd go ahead with the launch, just like they did with the 360. If Microsoft learned anything from the RROD debacle, it's that ultimately most customers didn't let it bother them that much. Most just stuck with the console, even after multiple failures.
Would anyone be kind enough to give a simplified summary of what has happened in the thread please
Sh!t doesn't work.
LOL, but yes, that about sums it up.
PopcornMegaphone
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It's hard to believe they are having production issues with such a modest console.
Jesus MS.
Jesus MS.
Neko Mimi Mode
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The amount of downclock being arbitrarily bandied about is insane.
Going from the target clock of 800 to potentially under 600 for SRAM seems highly unlikely.
Crazybuttocks has confirmed this?
Cause so far only Thuway, Proelite and Bruce have said there will be a downclock and only Thuway has said how much.
Uh...
Few in one, seems more appropriate.
Your new tag should be "succinct"
infiniteheteroskdasticity
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I'm definitely willing to believe the rumors of yield issues but I still find it hard to believe a down clock. On the other hand that might be the least bad option. A delay to 2014 would be worse from a business point of view. It's been a while since my HW engineering days but I'm going to guess that heat isn't necessarily the issue here. ESRAM yields are the issue. If they down clock the ESRAM to help with that they likely need to down clock the coupled GPU.
Sony (read Cerny) were clever and they got lucky. APUs this large have never been done before and are high risk enough to begin with. Choosing to add a lot of ESRAM to the same die is literally asking for problems. If MSFT wanted a design that guaranteed 8gb of RAM they should have gone with a discreet GPU (7970m) with 4gb of GDDR5 and 4gb of DDR3 for their other stuff. Surely the extra power and simplicity of that design would be worth more than the efficiencies of an APU with a UMA. This reeks of a sloppy, rushed design. My guess is they didn't really want to launch this year (after running into problems with the HW in 2012) but that Sony forced their hand with their Feb reveal.
Sony (read Cerny) were clever and they got lucky. APUs this large have never been done before and are high risk enough to begin with. Choosing to add a lot of ESRAM to the same die is literally asking for problems. If MSFT wanted a design that guaranteed 8gb of RAM they should have gone with a discreet GPU (7970m) with 4gb of GDDR5 and 4gb of DDR3 for their other stuff. Surely the extra power and simplicity of that design would be worth more than the efficiencies of an APU with a UMA. This reeks of a sloppy, rushed design. My guess is they didn't really want to launch this year (after running into problems with the HW in 2012) but that Sony forced their hand with their Feb reveal.
5 Billion transistors, 32 MB ES RAM, and a dedicated audio chip is anything but modest.
BruceLeeRoy
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Yeah it's pretty shocking how uninformed the majority of journalists are considering the technical ramifications of the consoles.
Even guys I respect like Giantbomb and some of the GT editors have no idea what they are talking about
Even the Wii U can run UE4.
There is no magical 1TFLOPS line that dictates which consoles can run it or not. These engines are very scalable.
SniperHunter
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sounds like a complete disaster, but at the end it won't matter like thugway said. the differences will be subtle and most casuals won't notice it.
Ms just needs to show the games.
Ms just needs to show the games.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Didn't Gamespot say Xbox One had the edge? Lol.
Frankly Iphone boomed because it was first phone that got touchscreen and touchscreen OS right.
I had 1st gen iPod touch and back then it was probably the hottest piece of tech i had in my hand. Pure sex.
Iphone was just iPod touch with phone.
BruceLeeRoy
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Neko Mimi Mode
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1. He never said they were downclocking the GPU.
2. His record is far from 100%;
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=47871129&postcount=1620
Edit did Gopher say they were downclocking? I only saw the post about the problems, not solutions.
hooijdonk17
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Uh...
The iPhone was revealed as an all-in-one device.
OK, so now being multifunctional is the same as being an all-in-one device.
Third Console Curse setting in
Joking aside, if all this is true, it's gotta suck for all those guys working at MS on this project: all the bad press Microsoft is getting. I hope e3 can change all that.
Even though you're joking I hate when people say the BS about 3rd console curse because there isn't anything to back up a 3rd console curse.
shinra-bansho
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That's presumably why the box looks enormous and is covered in vents.
GopherD appeared to be agreeing as well. While Matt's comment can be taken to be referring to a specific part of the thread or simply the comments made in general including the down clock.
But I was just referring to that there's a consensus of people with track records, while there's just one dissenting claimed insider with no record and a seeming vested interest in pumping up the XB1.
EDIT: and this apparently.
hooijdonk17
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It's not modest. It's just poorly designed. It just keeps reminding me more and more of Cell.
Impeccable
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I think it is more to do with the "Boy who cried Wolf" they have heard over and over again how the more powerful hardware will influence a generation of games ... maybe they are just not believing it based on the other countless times?
I don't see what your point is. Xbone is not an 'all in one' device either, in as much as, there are things that it doesn't do.
'App stores' did not exist when the iPhone was launched, the closest thing was Linux's application thing. It seems kind of absurd to maintain iPhone was not an all-in-one because it didn't possess functionality that didn't exist at the time.
Felix Lighter
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I believe the N64, Saturn and PS3 are the consoles people point at with the "curse."
BruceLeeRoy
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Can Crusher
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It's hard to understand how these guys don't know what they are talking about... How hard is it to read about it? Instead of just talking out of your ass...
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