scrapplejoe
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DigitalFoundry: X1 memory performance improved for production console/ESRAM 192 GB/s)
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Why? He never said, that the downclock rumor was true.
Care to explain how?
The article does not mention anything about yields.
Right. And it's pretty known that PS4 supply for retail has been a good bit higher than the 180 so I believe the yield rumor.
TheLegendary
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Another interesting quote:
maabus1999
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No he didn't.
But another poster I thought was banned in that thread for insisting that the downclock rumor wasn't true? He bet his account on it I thought and was banned. So...I don't know anymore lol.
qa_engineer
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I think he is joking and trying to get you all to come to his defense.
TheGreyHulk
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Good news.
The graphics will be very comparable.for the first few years. I don't expect to see any big differences in graphics for third party games, but some mid gen exclusives should show off the ps4's 50% more power over the xbone's GPU.
I expect resolution differences to be the main difference to keep xbone on par.in 3rd party games.
The graphics will be very comparable.for the first few years. I don't expect to see any big differences in graphics for third party games, but some mid gen exclusives should show off the ps4's 50% more power over the xbone's GPU.
I expect resolution differences to be the main difference to keep xbone on par.in 3rd party games.
Aren't the 192 GB/s and 176 GB/s numbers representative of the total data that can pass through the memory per second? That number is calculated with capacity in mind right? I'm pretty sure, so it means that the MS memory solution can pass more data through it than the Sony solution? I certainly know it doesn't mean that each bit can move 192 GB/s through it.
phosphor112
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LiquidMetal14
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This is the issue with any next gen platform. Even Mark Cerny mentioned things being worked on for year 3 and 4 in his talk at Gamelab.
It's basically saying that games will continue to look better when devs get more time with the HW. Look at launch vs late cycle games.
Not that surprising, but nice to hear. Remember that DirectX 11.2 only got released very recently and it's supported on the XB1 so it's obvious that they're iterating fairly rapidly.
176GB/s figure before was for combined peak eSRAM and peak DDR3 bandwidth. The new 192GB/s is for peak eSRAM only, an increase from 102GB/s.
Before
DDR3 peak: 68GB/s
eSRAM peak: 102GB/s
Combined peak: 176GB/s
Now
DDR3 peak: 68GB/s
eSRAM peak: 192GB/s
eSRAM realistic: 133GB/s
Combined peak (unrealistic): 260GB/s
Dragon1893
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Still a needlessly complicated setup. They are trying to fix a problem created by themselves in the first place. The PS4's setup is simpler and more efficient and I'm sure developers will feel that when working on both systems.
maabus1999
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Yeah, I don't get this one still. Everyone says the PS4 tools are ahead of the X1 but then why did E3 not really show that? So...what's going on there? The games shown overall seemed like parity to me, and a few titles on the X1 were actually dang impressive.
famousmortimer
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My understanding, which I will admit is pretty weak, is that Cerny and his team weren't as enamored with the concept of throughput as they were with unified memory. In the talk yesterday he discussed one option on the board to have 900gb of throughput using a small, super fast cache. But in the end decided on the current architecture of 8gbs of unified ram which was less overall throughput but opened up developers to use it for however they want.
This quote from the OP's link speaks to that.
I do agree with the notion that we aren't going to see much difference between the systems early on. I think the current gen is going to hold things back for a while, unfortunately.
Durante, am I off the rails here or is this where they think their design is superior?
This quote from the OP's link speaks to that.
I do agree with the notion that we aren't going to see much difference between the systems early on. I think the current gen is going to hold things back for a while, unfortunately.
Durante, am I off the rails here or is this where they think their design is superior?
statham
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more like thuway fail.
devotedgmr17
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^ This
professor_t
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EDIT: Nevermind. Doesn't help the "discussion" at all.
LiquidMetal14
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Who said this?
maabus1999
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Is he the one who stated the downclock rumor?
LukasTaves
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The best new in that article is that xbone dev kits are still getting significant performance improvements upon each release and the developers think they will match their targets without much problem.
Boss Man
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Good article.
Surprising that they underestimated the ESRAM that way. Although it's still only 32MB (which I assume matters). I'd love to hear a mature explanation of how all of this factors in though.
Surprising that they underestimated the ESRAM that way. Although it's still only 32MB (which I assume matters). I'd love to hear a mature explanation of how all of this factors in though.
So it looks like DF is predicting the difference to present itself as a resolution difference. Is there a particular reason for that, and does it have more to do with the GPU or RAM? I'd assume that's the GPU difference.
amstradcpc
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Well, finding out strange things in the process is a success for CBOAT rumor.They seem to not have idea of what they are doing.They very well could have found out the effective bandwidth was half instead of double.
Can Crusher
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My bad. I'm a little high right now.
Well then now MS just needs to free up more RAM, and things will get even closer. I'm still very doubtful of the play MS is doing with the ESRAM, but games will do the talking. I wish a some engineer would be in here talking us about the minus and pluses of ESRAM vs unified.
tinfoilhatman
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Funny that none of this seemed to show in @ E3 where MS pretty much cleaned up on the awards thanks to TitanFall and Forza.
This.
statham
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he is.
Ol No Bones
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I think the Microsoft solution is only good if the can get the price down quick. Aside from that the devs will have an easier time with ps4 though ever dev that has worked on the 360 should feel right at home on the xb1
Thanks for the answer, and that's good to hear.
That's true of everything though, tools and kits improve very quickly at a launch of a new console.
Wouldn't that show in multiplatform games more than the first party stuff?
nelsonroyale
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They didn't add the bandwidth, but is the same situation as before...the 192/GB is for the 32mb of Esram. Comparing the bandwidths directly still seems disingeneous to me given the differing architectures...
qa_engineer
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Despite theoretical bumps in BW to eSRAM which =/= 192gb/s BW to main memory, the GPU on the PS4 is still a higher spec piece of silicon. 32 ROPS, 18 CU, and direct access to main memory with cache coherency between CPU/GPU.
maabus1999
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Ok. So I'll ignore his rumors I guess. I never believed the downclock one for a second as it made no business sense. Yield issues I can 100% believe though.
What you expected games to be optimised at e3 for either console?.
Interfectum
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Let the FUD begin!
NekoFever
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Neither do most of the people who keep talking about it.
No. Not at all.
cjoyce1980
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you still have to get the information off blu ray/HDD before it ever gets into RAM. the weak point in both these machines are the optical and hard disk drives!
We need SSD's now!
I saw your post before the edit and I completely agree. I wish the majority of Gaf would just go back to talking about games and not acting like they all have a phd in computer engineering.
Yeah - don't worry MS hardware engineers, were from the internet we know better
In fantasy land.
No. He never confirmed the downclock rumors.
He only confirmed the yield issues, and unless Gamestop preorders allotments have increased 10x as much then that's still very much true.
Boss Man
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I wouldn't expect those awards to be for graphics.
TitanFall doesn't even really look good. In fact, I'd be willing to be that it will look noticeably better on PS4. Especially since it's coming later.
Forza looks great as always, but there wasn't anything that stood out about it graphically in terms of being next-gen.
Not to mention I don't know if there was even an 'approximate' XB1 machine on the floor. Weren't they using Windows 7 PCs with higher spec Nvidia cards?
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