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[DopeyFish]

Fun fact: That 53 MHz increase in terms of computational power is greater than Xbox, PS2, GameCube, Dreamcast and Wii computational power combined

 

[LeeFowler.CU]

Maybe you should talk to Albert sometime.

Ironically though, he hinted "something" here in Gaf as well regarding this.

I enjoy Albert's posts. It's interesting to hear someone's opinion who is working very closely to the Xbox One. There is a large difference between what an employee who works on accessories and peripherals posts on GAF and what the executives of the Xbox division say to press.

 

[Abominuz]

Hence the concern that they are doing this out of desperation in order to try to be more competitive with Sony. Which is good in and of itself, however it would be bad if they are knowing pushing the console beyond its safe thermal limits and compromising the longevity of the box purely for a measly extra 53MHz.

Of course they're the only ones that will be aware of the console's thermal profile. So I imagine they would have done tests on final or near-to-final silicon and together with the humongous box design, they've decided its still operating within the safe thermal envelope.

It does make me wonder though, whether Sony might start looking into an upclock after this news? I'm sure they've looked at it already. On one side they have a simpler and likely smaller APU design, and so should produce less heat. On the other they don't have the might huge box, but then their are however way more adept at designing cooling solutions for consoles (see PS3 fan/heat sink assembly). Will be interesting to see if they respond to this.

I am not an MS hater, but RROD anyone.
They must have knew it, there where even some roumers or documents that they did know about the overheating.

 

[c0de]

We've known their clock speed since forever yo.

But not officially! Man, don't you understand? If it's bad for MS you don't need official numbers, you can rely on rumors. If it's good you can base your arguments on what they didn't tell you. A win-win-situation for forum-stars.

 

[Leb]

To the people who are suggesting that 53 Mhz is an inconsequential boost in clock speed, remember that the Atari 2600 had a clock speed of just over 1 Mhz, so this upgrade ALONE accounts for 50 times more speed than the Atari 2600.

Serious food for thought.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Fun fact: That 53 MHz increase in terms of computational power is greater than Xbox, PS2, GameCube, Dreamcast and Wii computational power combined

Dem facts.

 

[LeeFowler.CU]

Except they did:



Source: http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-bigwig-hardware-specs-don-t-matter-because-it-s-not-1990--1162653

Like I said. An employees personal comments on GAF are just that, personal opinions and comments.

 

[Ponn]

Yes.

Dedicated servers
Skype
Snap Multi-tasking
Kinect (Voice/motion controls)
Smart Match
HDMI Pass-Thru
TV Guide
Dynamic achievements
SmartGlass
Windows Apps


Not to mention all the exclusive apps and content from providers like the NFL.

WOW! Tell me more about the content from providers like the NFL!

 

[GrizzledGrump]

And charging to play online. When it rains it really pours for sony.

2/10 "Troll Dog"

You need to head over to the Dojo and practice some more.

 

[maabus1999]

Not necessarily. The way I understood it, the culprit for the yield issues was the ESRAM. It might be that whatever didn't succumb to defects had enough headroom left for a slight GPU upclock.

'Course, that all depends on how much you buy into the yield issues rumor, just saying that this news doesn't disprove that rumor in its wake.

ESRAM clock was connected to GPU clock last I heard so it would matter if one was increased.

 

[Takuya]

Like I said. An employees personal comments on GAF are just that, personal opinions and comments.

Those goal posts.

 

[Nightengale]

Maybe i'm LTTP but i was listening to the podcast and had no idea that you were gonna be able to skype call from X1 to PC and vice versa. Thats pretty cool as I thought it was just going to be limited to Xboxes only.

Skype on Vita could also call PC, phones... basically any Skype. Of couse X1 was going to be able to do the same.

An X1-to-X1 only Skype is basically no longer Skype.

 

[Mistwalker]

It's good news for gamers (well, for XBox gamers, and it takes nothing away from the PS4...so net benefit as it were) but I fully expect pedantic arguments and number throwing anyway.

Though I will say I'm not sure what article Leadbetter could write, his last comparison already used hardware so much more powerful than the XBox actually has even with the clock speed boost.

Still, I don't see how anyone could argue this clockspeed boost being a bad thing. The benefits of healthy competition, indeed.

 

[Dipswitch]

Good news for Xbox fans I suppose. Proof will ultimately be in the pudding, when we see how multi platform games run on both systems.

 

[Nerokis]

I'm trying to maneuver through all the posts in this thread...

I don't need to reassure myself of anything, I'm stating the facts clear so that things aren't misinterpreted by people (like you).

This is not an upgrade.


Microsoft says a whole lot of shit; fact is, they never announced their clock speed publicly, this is the first time. It's like saying "Hey, we had a GPU, at 0MHZ and we made it 800!".

This person is serious, I think. :\

Wow, MS bumping specs while Sony takes RAM away from games. It's time to rethink who has the momentum going into next-gen.

Whereas this one is trolling?

I can't tell anymore.

 

[XeNoN89]

For those wondering what difference this will make. Overclock your PC graphics card by the same amount. You might get a 1 or 2 fps increase

 

[stryke]

Like I said. An employees personal comments on GAF are just that, personal opinions and comments.

He made that comment in a magazine interview representing MS and X1.

 

[Nightengale]

Like I said. An employees personal comments on GAF are just that, personal opinions and comments.

That's true for everything. An employee is entitled to not agree about directions the company takes, even if the reason for that direction is 100% rational.

In Jack Tretton's words, "there's my personal opinion, and there's the corporate opinion."

 

[antitrop]

EDIT: NOooooooo wrong thread, sorry.

 

[GuiltySpark]

Microsoft says a whole lot of shit; fact is, they never announced their clock speed publicly, this is the first time. It's like saying "Hey, we had a GPU, at 0MHZ and we made it 800!".

You know what's funny?
- When the initial VGLeakz documents leaked on Xbox One, people took the specs as a fact
- When there were rumours of a downclock and yield issues, people took it as a fact

Now that there is the smallest bit of good news, people like you spin it in a way that always comes back to good old "shitty, devious, Microsoft". Give it a rest already.

 

[ekim]

details from the podcast:
http://majornelson.com/cast/2013/08/02/mnr-486-marc-whitten-updates-us-on-the-progress-of-xbox-one/
- They start using the Xbox One at home
- Indie stuff getting detailed on GamesCom
- Marc Whitten was key to bring Minecraft to Xbox
- Developers have final devkits
- New graphics driver
- With this driver devs can write to the metal (23:23)
- Upclock of 53MHZ (23:55)
- It's an example where they get close to the final performance envelope

more to come

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Chance they can hit the PS4 GPU level?

0% chance

Spoiler

of rain in the forecast today.

 

[Finalizer]

ESRAM clock was connected to GPU clock last I heard so it would matter if one was increased.

Admittedly, this is getting well out of my knowledge base, but my understanding was that the ESRAM issues weren't related to clockspeeds or anything of that sort, it was that having them on-die was adding such a layer of complexity to the chip itself that it caused the chips to be more prone to general defects in the manufacture process.

I might go see if I can find a post or article that explains it better, since I'm just going on memory and probably gross generalizations here.

 

[Pug]

What happened to the thread about a downclock and yield issues!

 

[LiquidSolid]

they haven't actually changed any chips, and upgraded 53mhz right? Is this possible because of just better optimization/customization?

No, they've just overclocked the GPU.

Chance they can hit the PS4 GPU level?

Absolutely none. It's still far more powerful.

 

[statham]

listening to the podcast, I've heard 'flipping switches' and 'secret sauce', I'm only have way done.

 

[GrizzledGrump]

I am not an MS hater, but RROD anyone.
They must have knew it, there where even some roumers or documents that they did know about the overheating.

The RROD was an anomaly. Why do people keep bringing it up as if MS has a history of building faulty hardware. The original Xbox and subsequent Xbox 360 revisions had normal failure rates and other non-Xbox MS hardware is reliable and high quality.

The RROD fiasco has no bearing on Xbox One. Let it go. It's just a useless talking point.

 

[shinra-bansho]

No doubt DF will spawn an article out of this, promoting it religiously whilst crapping on the PS4.

Perhaps something like...
"This increase in clockspeed is a significant improvement, closing a lot of ground in the very minor difference in performance between the two systems."

 

[Mildudon]

Congratulations Microsoft with your 1-3 fps increase. All this news about Microsoft playing catch up to sony is just sad.

 

[c0de]

For those wondering what difference this will make. Overclock your PC graphics card by the same amount. You might get a 1 or 2 fps increase

For the others also failing at maths: The calculation and increase differs if you change the clockrate that gets increased.

 

[nynt9]

Yes.

Dedicated servers
Skype
Snap Multi-tasking
Kinect (Voice/motion controls)
Smart Match
HDMI Pass-Thru
TV Guide
Dynamic achievements
SmartGlass
Windows Apps


Not to mention all the exclusive apps and content from providers like the NFL.

Dedicated servers, didn't Sony also say they're doing that?
Skype, really, a feature? It's an app. Even a Vita has Skype.
Snap multitasking only works with certain apps, doesn't even work with games.
Not everyone views the Kinect as a positive but sure.
Smart Match seems to be cool but they've playing it up a lot, I don't see why it's that big a deal.
HDMI pass-through to me seems like an extravagant and needless feature. I need to see more to believe it.
TV Guide, really? Sure, for some people.
I don't see why more achievements is a good thing. And Steam Cards is a better version of achievements.
Smartglass, every next gen console has some feature similar to this.
Windows apps, sure, about 5 people will use them.

Overall it's (mostly) a bunch of bloated features that no one asked for, except maybe smart match. That's the problem with the Xbone.

 

[LeeFowler.CU]

Considering the enormous size of their box in comparison to the hardware contained within, as well as taking into account the external power brick, it shows how late their hardware decisions/engineering were in building the machine. The thermal envelope would have directly affected the size of the machine, they were very conservative with the box size because their numbers weren't all that perfect.

This.... this is a good thing. It's a box that sits under my TV. I'd rather they go the safe route to allow for performance increases later in the lifecycle.

 

[Nightengale]

This person is serious, I think. :\

It's true that MS never announced the clockspeed to begin with. As far as we're concerned, this is the first announcement of such, and it's portrayed as an upclock even though it's just a 'reveal.'

Whereas this one is trolling?

It's trolling in the same sense that Sony never announced the RAM allocation to begin with.

You can't take away what was never given to us, just as the news of the upclock means little when we never knew it what it was in the first place, until the announcement today.

 

[godisturbed]

I want 600% increase

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I want 600% increase

Just want great games myself

 

[antitrop]

I want 600% increase

I demand SLI-Titan performance or no buy.

 

[The Elite]

details from the podcast:
http://majornelson.com/cast/2013/08/02/mnr-486-marc-whitten-updates-us-on-the-progress-of-xbox-one/
- They start using the Xbox One at home
- Indie stuff getting detailed on GamesCom
- Marc Whitten was key to bring Minecraft to Xbox
- Developers have final devkits
- New graphics driver
- With this driver devs can write to the metal (23:23)
- Upclock of 53MHZ (23:55)
- It's an example where they get close to the final performance envelope

more to come

MN's podcasts were actually really good leading up to 360. I might start giving them a listen again.

I always get excited when I hear they can start taking units home for the night.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Regardless of the sick awesome console warz waging in this thread, this is good news I guess. I'll take whatever MS can give to raise the bottom line, even if it's tiny.

 

[chadskin]

PS4 GPU @ 800MHz
1.84 TFLOPS
57,600 MTex/s
25,600 MPix/s
176GB/s

Xbox One GPU @ 853MHz
1.31 TFLOPS
40,944 MTex/s
13,648 MPix/s
68GB/s + eSRAM

Should be in first post.

 

[phosphor112]

Not bad at all.

 

[LeeFowler.CU]

Those goal posts.

This post is particularly hilarious given the author.

 

[famousmortimer]

The rumor for the last week or so was 200mhz. Bummer that it's only 50. :/


The more powerful the xbox one is the better for everyone multiplats will be.

 

[Finalizer]

Perhaps something like...
"This increase in clockspeed is a significant improvement, closing a lot of ground in the very minor difference in performance between the two systems."

But wouldn't it upset that careful balance the MS engineers had with the Xbone hardware?

 

[Takuya]

This post is particularly hilarious given the author.

I never move my goalposts (for the past few months at least, I can't say I've -never- done it), I plant them and that's all, I stick with my argument. I don't think you know what moving the goalposts mean.

 

[bGanci]

Dedicated servers, didn't Sony also say they're doing that?
Skype, really, a feature? It's an app. Even a Vita has Skype.
Snap multitasking only works with certain apps, doesn't even work with games.
Not everyone views the Kinect as a positive but sure.
Smart Match seems to be cool but they've playing it up a lot, I don't see why it's that big a deal.
HDMI pass-through to me seems like an extravagant and needless feature. I need to see more to believe it.
TV Guide, really? Sure, for some people.
I don't see why more achievements is a good thing. And Steam Cards is a better version of achievements.
Smartglass, every next gen console has some feature similar to this.
Windows apps, sure, about 5 people will use them.

Overall it's (mostly) a bunch of bloated features that no one asked for, except maybe smart match. That's the problem with the Xbone.

Can you inform everyone the exciting features that the ps4 will have?

 

[Fredrik]

Regardless of the sick awesome console warz waging in this thread, this is good news I guess. I'll take whatever MS can give to raise the bottom line, even if it's tiny.

Yup same here. There is way too much negativity in this thread considering it's all good news.

 

[kaching]

Fun fact: That 53 MHz increase in terms of computational power is greater than Xbox, PS2, GameCube, Dreamcast and Wii computational power combined

Back compat with OG Xbox confirmed!

 

[Alebrije]

Will this up the heat in the console at risky levels?

 

[antitrop]

The rumor for the last week or so was 200mhz. Bummer that it's only 50. :/


The more powerful the xbox one is the better for everyone multiplats will be.

I want the bottom line as high as possible, to the benefit of my PC games. That's my vested interest in the power of the Xbone.

 

[crazepharmacist]

Dedicated servers, didn't Sony also say they're doing that?

Sony has been doing that for the last 6 or 7 years. Just not for multi-plat titles.