No no, they showed the SAME ones from Feb.
MS showed a similar number in May. Then showed MORE at E3.
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Microsoft Confirms 53MHz GPU Speed Upgrade For Xbox One
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No no, they showed the SAME ones from Feb.
MS showed a similar number in May. Then showed MORE at E3.
Ok so with that in mind, is it possible a flop is not a flop?
No seriously here.
I mean let's put it this way, say you've got some GPU which is fuckoff insane stupid motherfucking fast with some insane as fuck memory but it's only 1gb of memory vs something only 30% as quick but 8gb of memory. The texture detail is seriously likely to be vastly better on the slower setup.
I don't think Microsoft is going to magically match the PS4 here but developers are clever bastards, I'm not convinced the Xbox One is down and out now. I was - but their recent backpedals have probably brought things back to much of a muchness. I know several guys at work who were die.fucking.hard Microsoft boys who said "fuck this shit" regarding the DRM stuff. When MS took a step back, they are back on board. Sure it's anecdotal but the 2 dudes I never expected to go Sony, went Sony and then swung back.
MS isn't out of the race yet. I just hope the privacy shit isn't going to be a mess (it probably will be)
Possibly, but thats a guess!
Agreed but you have examples of features MS has that Sony doesn't. What features are the other way around? Vita cross play? How many ps4 owners will own a vita? It is struggling currently(it is one hell if a device). Gaikai? Can this feature do more than just be a device for backwards capability?
It reduces the PS4's advantage by 10% (~50% -> 40%). That's something at least.
Bluemercury
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Why would they announce a specifically very small upgrade to the gpu as news?
They've got to think about the heat generated. Sure, the XB1 has a big fan, but they don't want that to overwork and break down say, after 3 years of general use.
I'm guessing 53Mhz was the sweet spot, a minor bump in performance, yet not enough to cause cooling issues. I'd take it, better than nothing.
Opus Angelorum
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This upgrade is beneficial, is there an actual argument against it other than 'PS4 is still better'?
Well... at least it's... "something" after all these weeks of bad press for MS.
They didn't announce it as news. They mentioned in about 15 seconds in the middle of a podcast as an example of stuff they had tweaked since E3 and then quickly moved on.
Your example is so completely out of the realm of reality. It makes the conclusion that is based on such an inane comparison flabbergasting.
KoopaTheCasual
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Then you haven't done much reading on Microsofts work to ensure this thing is quiet and reliable. It might not be as fast but the design effort going into reliability and especially quiet is surprisingly commendable. This is going to be a very quiet console considering last round.
koji kabuto
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I have a bad feeling that they have not yet decided on the final spec.
It wasn't really an "announcement" in the traditional sense. They just talked about it in their podcast.
Audioboxer
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Probably to counter all the bullshit posted on here with regards to a downclock due to yeild issuess, a downclock to what was 800-900 flops!
Where did this voodoo come from?
Nope. People feared just last month that there was gonna be a downclock because of the yield issues but now we have an upclock instead. Some people are just never satisfied I guess.
crazygambit
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Those 32MB of blisteringly quick RAM on the Xbone are still slower than the RAM the PS4 uses for all of it's 8GB, so I don't know what you're getting at here.
The Xbone is still slightly more complex to develop for and a lot weaker. It's nothing like the PS3/ 360 situation.
The controller did as least. (so far)
Wasn't Quantum Break the only exclusive that they showed in May? The rest were a couple of EA Sports Games and COD Ghosts; all multiplatform games. Sony in February showed Knack, Drive Club, Killzone and Infamous from their first party studios, and then others like Deep Down and The Witness. It only makes sense that they had less games to show at E3. Microsoft was saving everything for said show.
TriAceJP
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Audibility < Reliability.
It's deliberately exaggerated to make a fairly obvious point. There's more to just memory speed and GPU speed, there's multiple components to the GPU.
Infact my post was a question anyhow, is it possible that a 'flop is not a flop' depending on the graphics they intend to get out of a console.
Most hardcore gamers don't care about Kinect. But as innovation isn't the Kinect exciting?
No just a load of crappy jokes. Mine was the best though.
Regardless they've focused extensively on both, I think they've learnt their lesson on this particular one.
Nightengale
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I purposely excluded Vita-cross play from my list because it's feature that requires an extra purchase. But to answer your question? At least 5 million, because the current crop of Vita owners are 99% almost certainly buying a PS4.
As for Gaikai, we don't know what the service will become in the long-term. We do know that playing games is perfect possible already, the 'service' itself was proven viable before Sony bought them.
They did say their vision is to eventually make Gaikai available at EVERY device from smartphone to tablets, but realistically that vision is at least 3-4 years away. I think it's far more likely that they'll establish a Netflix of games, exclusive to PS3/4/Vita first.
BloodMoney
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I really don't see this thing launching in 2013.
The only reason to increase it is for performance. 6% performance increase is actually pretty darn good in the computing world.
Forza 5 was also revealed in May.
Kun Aguero
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I bet MS wish they could rewind a couple of years, and design the xbox one all over again. I'm still shaking my head at them for the initial choices they made.
Paracelsus
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If they miss the launch they might as well scrap it and release XBox Two.
BruceLeeRoy
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To all the insiders that have been telling me that it was getting a 200mhz bump and that I could take it to the bank.
53MHz are you fricken kidding me?
53MHz are you fricken kidding me?
No shit? I thought the ESRAM was faster than the GDDR5? That is impressive then, pretty much means there's virtually no chance of the Xbox One performing better in almost any situation (right?)
As for your second paragraph, the PS3 was fucking notoriously difficult to develop for, it was a nightmare, everyone knows this. The 360 might not be dead simple but it was much easier.
I would say this role reversal is very similar to the 360 / PS3 situation. One is probably going to be significantly easier than the other.
There are five million Vita owners in the world? That seems really high, even if you're extrapolating to sometime this fall.
I know it's from a journalist, but Michael Pachter said PS4 will cost around $325~ to make. Regardless of his accuracy (or inaccuracy), Sony will most likely be making a profit this time around.
TheLegendary
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They didn't really make it an announcement. It was a passing example from Whitten on a podcast about how MS is finalizing their console. Gamespot chose the title.
If you listen to the podcast it's really not touted as a major announcement at all.
Downclock of the upclock rumor confirmed!
gaming_noob
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Call them out!
Ms showed fuck all games wise at the announcement. Forza was about the only ms title shown.
Not to me. If you like it, that's great, I'm sure the fact that it comes in with every console will result in games that make good use of it. But those of us who have no interest in the thing can't possibly justify dropping an extra $100 for a system that is less powerful.
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