Trickster
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Bethesda: "The time for convincing pubs and devs to support Wii U has long past"
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Wtf serious post? Gamefaqs wants their member back.
Wrong poster, you meant to quote AzaK, on topic, played Skyrim it was meh... you can keep your mediocre games Bethesda
Zombie James
Banned
He's right. Third party support has been an issue for Nintendo for a long, long time (on consoles). Nintendo needs to start being more inclusive to modern third party needs.
To me, Nintendo has two options to try and get third party support for their home consoles.
1.) Build their next console to be a direct competitors to the Xbox 4 and PlayStation 5 on all levels including hardware power and control interface.
2.) Build their next console to be a $150-$200 box at launch built on high end mobile parts and try to recruit mobile/tablet/set top developers for support.
I feel option 2 makes a lot more sense given where they are in the market.
1.) Build their next console to be a direct competitors to the Xbox 4 and PlayStation 5 on all levels including hardware power and control interface.
2.) Build their next console to be a $150-$200 box at launch built on high end mobile parts and try to recruit mobile/tablet/set top developers for support.
I feel option 2 makes a lot more sense given where they are in the market.
This has nothing to do with Bethesda not developing for Wii U, but I feel that the development philosophies of Nintendo and Bethesda are very different. Bethesda releases the most unpolished big-budget games I've ever played. Nintendo games are polished as hell.
I guess what I'm saying is, if the Nintendo Seal of Quality meant anything, Elder Scrolls would not be released on Nintendo systems. But the Seal doesn't mean shit, so I don't know what my point is.
I guess what I'm saying is, if the Nintendo Seal of Quality meant anything, Elder Scrolls would not be released on Nintendo systems. But the Seal doesn't mean shit, so I don't know what my point is.
The console is just not attractive enough from value proposition POV. The tech is too close to current gen tech, there's no functional account system, and unless you're hardcore Nintendo fans, the games featuring the same old Mario, Luigi, Zelda, and Donkey Kong feel like too much repetition in the last 20 or so years.
cartman414
Member
Amen to all this. Not to mention Nintendo should quit with the small, low power form factor.
PS4. Everything prior was guided by crazy Kutaragi,
True, but development costs are limiting how much they can stand for.
wut
Which would be absolutely disastrous for them, as the market cannot sustain 3 essentially identical consoles, and third parties would still make shit excuses, especially as Sony and Microsoft have put third parties on a pedestal and given them an inflated sense of entitlement.
Ninja Scooter
Member
the Nintendo Seal of Quality never meant what you think it means. All it ever meant was that a cartridge wouldn't brick your system and that the maker of said game paid Nintendo for a license. It never had anything to do with the actual quality of the games.
RagingAvatar
Member
huh?
malboroking
Banned
What does the PS3s split memory pool have to with Sony contacting Bethesda about what they wanted in the PS4?
Trickster
Member
d[-_-]b;79648313 said:
No no, I quoted the one I wanted to. The fact that you seem mad at bethesda for making this statement, and are telling them to keep their mediocre games. Just shows that you completely failed to understand the point that was made. Which is actually a pretty straight forward point.
Stone Ocean
Member
Is this a new Capcom / Castlevania thing or something?
haha so much salt in this thread
I think Nintendo can still turn around the ship somewhat with 3rd party support on the wiiu but it's going to be a tough task. Under powered hardware with horrid third party software sales are not going to convince these third parties otherwise. Nintendo needs to be more pro-active about this
Glorified G
Member
Please. We're not even close to that. Retail titles Rayman Legends and Puppeteer are coming out this month. Not to mention the load of smaller indie titles that fits neither of those description.
Pretend that outside of Nintendo games, only Call of Duty and iOS games exist. In reality gaming has ever been more diverse than ever and plenty of those games are not on a Nintendo platform.
FunkyPajamas
Member
This will only work if they make their current gen offering (WiiU) last as long as Sony's/Microsoft's about-to-start gen offering. Launching in the middle of next generation will not win them the next-next gen race.
Personally, I would be ok with that. I wouldn't mind if Nintendo waited 6 years from now to launch the true SNES successor.
OmegaNES.
edit: to hell with making more sense. I want my 4K @ 120fps Metroid Prime Trilogy remake.
More than that. I don't even want them to release games for other consoles too. In this gen, because of Bethesda, BioWare and others, consoles feel and play a lot more like PC. One colored, serious, complex PC games are exact opposite of console (especially Nintendo) philosophy. As the number of those games were getting more and more every day, console style games (platformers, extreme sports, rhythm games, J-RPG, puzzle, party) died out. And yes, I blame Bethesda and their serious PC rpg's for this.
Nintendo is better off without them. Even Playstation too, what they've got enough for them. I can't say same thing for Microsoft, they're the one brought PC crap to consoles. I still can't believe I paid $60 for that Morrowind.
Is GAF consensus any better? "OMG Wii U is sooo dead, they'll bankrupt without EA, Bethesda and others! Reggie is sooo dumb!"
Ninja Scooter
Member
Something of value was lost. A developer/publisher behind one of the more successful games this generation. Whether or not the specific game is your cup of tea is not really relevant to the issue at hand, which is that the more successful publishers and developers ignore the Wii U, the worse off the system is. At some point Nintendo has to figure out how to get these guys on board, even if it is too late for Wii U, if they want to maintain any sort of relevancy in the console space.
But please, keep on believing the issue is about your personal feelings about Skyrim and completely missing the forest for the trees.
Short of having actual sex with heads of studios (bring back the Love Hotels, perhaps) and giving them their full bank details, I'm not sure what Nintendo could do to convince third parties.
Trickster
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Ninja Scooter
Member
You think there are no non-Nintendo console games that are "of value?" Really?
Lol, I quoted you because I wanted to. The fact you perceive me as mad, shows what your mindset is, because I felt their game was mediocre somehow you associated anger with it. Somehow you felt like you had the right to say that a poster belonged in GameFAQs so I felt like I should join in on your fun.
Because he said there are no non-Nintendo console games that are "of value".
Lol clearly it's delicious because on the flipside it brings people out of the woodworks.
GitarooMan
Member
Never fails in a third party Wii U thread that the salt flows freely. As if every developer who dares not support the Wii U is a stain on the industry.
Developers/publishers shouldn't need to be paid off or bribed.
They can actually start by approaching them more. As you can see (with these dev/pub comments, weak hardware and how lacking Nintendo network is compared to the competition) they haven't done much of a good job at it prior to launching the system. Financial incentives would be good too obviously. They 'need' some drastic changes because things are not going to get easier for the wiiu once PS4/XBone launches.
Let's not misunderstand something here...it's completely up to Nintendo to create hardware/sales/environment for these third parties to create games. I don't think it's impossible, just difficult
I think the only one who's responsible for Nintendo's problems with the Wii U is Nintendo, failure to court and support third parties is a problem that dates back generations with them and it's why I have no expectation of Nintendo doing anything useful to rectify this particular situation. They've been making this bed for a very long time, if they didn't like it or if they were able to come up with a reasonable solution to the problem I have to think they would have done so by now.
Ninja Scooter
Member
They do need to be courted. They need to be given incentive to make a product for a Nintendo platform. There needs to be something in it for them. This isn't the NES or SNES days where there are limited options. Nintendo needs third parties more than third parties need Nintendo.
Nintendo is the platform holder. It has always been their job to create an environment where third parties feel they can make money. That's how that relationship works. How else would it? Are third parties supposed to feel privileged to put their games on Nintendo's console?
If you look througout history, Nintendo has always been shit at third party relations. In the 80s, they pretty much had publishers bent over a sink. As the Genesis came out, that gave some western devs and publishers a new outlet and lo and behold, you started to see a ton more western properties on Genesis than SNES. Then N64 rolled around and, again, Nintendo created a shitty environment that only suited their interests and what do you know? This time Japanese developers went running to Sony.
2) makes the most sense if they also expand their internal studios and start more western studios. Really they need to do that no matter what.
I thought the quote was in past tense. Sorry lol, my bad.
Trickster
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d[-_-]b;79650325 said:
No, the fact that you just focused solely on telling Bethesda to keep their mediocre games. While completely ignoring what was said actually meant, made you come of as someone that just saw the title and stormed in here just to say "well fuck you bethesda, keep your shitty games"
It's a cycle Nintendo needs to break with their next console.
- 3rd parties don't support the system
- Nintendo pumps out 1st party and system sells, 3rd parties throw games at it thinking they'll stick no matter the quality/marketing
- 3rd parties stop making games because 1st party titles crush them
- Nintendo holds back 1st party games, doesn't get 3rd party games anyways
- Console doesn't sell because there's no games
- Nintendo pumps out 1st party games, and system sells again
- Repeat cycle.
What I don't like is the developer is kind of coming off like "If you don't come talk to me, I ain't gonna bother talking to you" like they're 13 or something and asking each other on a date. If you're interested in getting your game on a system, then why not go talk to them?
Take initiative. Sell your game to people. I don't think console manufacturers are 100% on the side of asking for a date.
- 3rd parties don't support the system
- Nintendo pumps out 1st party and system sells, 3rd parties throw games at it thinking they'll stick no matter the quality/marketing
- 3rd parties stop making games because 1st party titles crush them
- Nintendo holds back 1st party games, doesn't get 3rd party games anyways
- Console doesn't sell because there's no games
- Nintendo pumps out 1st party games, and system sells again
- Repeat cycle.
What I don't like is the developer is kind of coming off like "If you don't come talk to me, I ain't gonna bother talking to you" like they're 13 or something and asking each other on a date. If you're interested in getting your game on a system, then why not go talk to them?
Take initiative. Sell your game to people. I don't think console manufacturers are 100% on the side of asking for a date.
Step 1. Make decent, non-half-assed games
Step 2. Sell said games
Step 3. Profit.
Is that not enough incentive?
Freezie KO
Banned
Agreed. That ship sailed. The unfortunate thing is that Nintendo hasn't expanded enough in order to sustain their own platform to make up for a lack of other software partners. So not only do we have the same third-party issues, we have the same drought problems as well.
cartman414
Member
On one hand, you're right that this was the decade 3rd parties flocked en masse to and disrupted the console scene. But on the other, you're close-mindedly bashing WRPGs , for instance, on what aren't even the best examples of the subgenre. Okay, maybe not, but still. (It's also held back the PC counterparts, which have had lesser ports, eased difficulty, etc.) And having PC like architecture isn't really such a bad thing, as Intel/AMD have been more serious about the low-power segment than IBM.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
but they can create games that are an unplayable mess on WiiU too
This is true lol
Ninja Scooter
Member
Like Zombie U? What Nintendo does affects third parties. Right now the Wii U is toxic. Nobody would feel comfortable creating even a "decent, non-half assed game" and not feel like it is going to tank. That's Nintendo's job. They dropped the fucking ball massively yet apparently it's everyone elses fault.
You're right, Bethesda; I'm quite sure that Nintendo has been trying to convince pubs and devs to support the Wii U for a considerable amount of time, as opposed to a "short past".
For Nintendo's sake, here's hoping that the time for convincing pubs and devs to support the Wii U has a long future as well.
... oh, and why is Bethesda talking about Nintendo's long past for this convincing effort? Shouldn't this be Nintendo's job to do here?
So Nintendo throwing money at Ubisoft would have suddenly made the game sell better?
Prince Vultan
Banned
Option 3: Blaze the trails for the next evolution in console gaming by combining the handheld and console into one device. The controller is a handheld/tablet/dual touch screen whatever but it can connect wireless and stream to your tv like a console effortlessly. Have a small device or box the connects to your HDMI, maybe have a HDD installed but its main purpose is to be sort of a wireless docking or home station for your handheld console.
Lol you're mad my friend it's okay, I stated my opinion and you turned into some ragefest that it isn't but go on, keep telling yourself that you're right. As you can see we can have a civilized discussion, but anyone on the flip side has been transformed by you into an angry and deranged it seems.
Ninja Scooter
Member
No Nintendo not making the Wii U into a clusterfuck would have helped the game sell better.
You seem stuck on this money hat thing, as if that is all these publishers are looking out for.
What the point of this thread seems to be is that it is time for Nintendo to step out of their bubble, at least on consoles, and start getting in the ears of the big, successful third party publisher and developers. this doesn't mean money hats. This could be getting them involved from jump in the creation of the system. Get their feedback on things like the GamePad. MS did this with the Xbox when Epic asked for more Ram and gamers were better off for it. Sony did this with the Dual Shock 4 and the controller is getting rave reviews.