NingenJanai
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Seems the "Beta tested in the future" slogan was true after all.
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oconnomiyaki
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Sometimes I feel like the only never of this forum that cares not for resolution. Screen tearing makes me rage, sub-25 frames per second annoys me, but I couldn't care less if my PC games could run at 1080p over the 900p I have them at.
ChosenPredator
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that would be really disappointing if true, i would hope ms would smarten up when it comes to rrod scenarios, i dont want sony or ms to have f'ed up heating issues
famousmortimer
Banned
His posts about the 360 were mostly positive. And that ended up a mostly positive system.
bigboss370
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The overclocks being too risky is the only new information here, although I guess the warning to not expect 1080p for many games is a bit surprising too.
How worried should a launch buyer be anyways because of this overclock risk?
How worried should a launch buyer be anyways because of this overclock risk?
Seriously considering canceling this now.. Seeming like a worse and worse value proposition every day.
Oh and regarding the "more powerful console" talk, has the more powerful console ever been much cheaper than the weaker console before, because that's a huge factor here.
Yes, PS3 is generally worse for multiplats and costs more.
But it matters not, don't go by history, as things change...
The biggest downside to XB1 is GAF.. MS have riled up a lot of people, and like humans do when switching sides, people become quite vitriolic, as evidenced in the zero MS tolerance.
However, I ditched my preorder a whole ago and will stick with just going PS4 at launch.
I have to say that this next gen is already a slight disappointment, I was hoping 1080p/60 was going to be the norm, but even the better equipped PS4 is struggling to do that, and already we have talk of sub 1080p third party games on it.. Leaving the XB1 in an even bigger hole.
At this rate, I may ditch the PS4 at launch and wait things out..
SwiftDeath
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Bling ring
Killzone.
And the reason they hit that with Forza is because it's lacking in a crazy amount of features and technical extras.
And he knows about this because he's connected and has been right way more times than he's been wrong (which is only recently given so much has been shifting leading up to launch).
SneakyStephan
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With 176GB/sec memory bandwidth and twice the fill rate of xbox one?
If a dev can't make their games 1080p on a hd 7850 they should just fucking give up and go flip burgers.
You don't seem too familiar with the hardware markets
HDD prices shot up immediately after WD bought hitachi and Seagate bought the samsung HDD division , there is now a duopoly in the hdd market.
From the instant amd could no longer compete with intel, cpu performance has stagnated.
A smaller (cheaper to make and higher yield) die each year, with a 5 percent performance boost alongside a 5 percent price hike.
Performance/dollar literally hasn't budged since 2011, after going up rapidly, year after year for the past 20+ years.
And what do consumers do? they bend over and pay it, because there is no alternative.
Sure, less people pay it, but profit margins become so much higher that they'll gladly just ramp down production to compensate while enjoying higher profits.
A stick of ram cost less than a starbucks coffee until several ram producers decided to call it quits due to decreased margins, and the others collectively started to ramp down production, now ram is higher priced than it's been in a decade.
If sony has noone to compete against they have no incentive to offer value. Imagine the horror of a ps4 designed with no competition, oh god they would have put in something even worse than this shitty amd jaguar cpu.
Look at prices of a walled garden like psn or xbox live, 60-70 dollar games, crappy sales
Then an open platform like pc with tons of competition among digital distribution? huge sales everywhere and much cheaper games.
Thinking a monopoly would not have terrible consequences in any industry is incredibly naive.
FaintColt388301
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YES! I was looking for this but couldn't remember how it was phrased. Everybody kept saying how could MS not know that Sony was so prepared. This is a definitely added to it. This probably also lead MS to believe that sony didn't have the best hardware being that they could easily copy it.
It was so funny that they do this then a not too much later announce they are going to reveal their console . . . before MS. Those playstation guys know how to troll
TrojanBlade
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Just saw XB1 ad with DR3 during walking dead...unfortunately most consumers won't know what's cooking inside XB1 unless it becomes apparent due to RROD or something else
Meus Renaissance
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In all seriousness, even if the XBO could only do 720p, I don't see it affecting sales. The mainstream doesn't care - not everyone has a +46" TV to play on. I feel much of this debate is the equivalent of boys measuring themselves
You have a fair point, but to us that are really passionate, a lower resolution IS a big deal. And not because of some stupid "console wars", but a higher resolution produces a sharper image, and that's important to many of us.
I'm pretty sure MS has...which is why he stays silent for so long
GribbleGrunger
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A few people have an idea who he could be but it wouldn't be advisable to pursue that for obvious reasons.
bigboss370
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we like and appreciate the leaks, this is one case detectiveGAF will not accept.
The core and the early adopters care. Those people then inform those around them which makes them buy that console. The ultra-casuals or "mainstream" as you put it might not care..but they do care about the price. They'll go for the cheaper console--so that's 2 checks in Sony's box.
HORRORSHØW
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At least the controller's not suspicious.
Its not about one thing. It is about whole.
Several US sellers said that PS4 preorders are much higher than Xbones. In US where Xbox360 sold almost twice as PS3. People simply know. Hardware is just one of things.
Without 180 you would be watching now train-wreck incoming at high speed. Thanks to 180 they motivated ton of people but still stink is there.
Meus Renaissance
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A very small percentage of the market in general, I imagine.
Phoenician_Viking
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Thanks guys 
What if developers don´t have the money or man power to pull a native 1080p?
What if developers don´t have the money or man power to pull a native 1080p?
He's Steve Ballmer. When Steve retires his CBOAT persona will start leaking Golf scores, bridge hands, and recipes for rum based afternoon apartiefs.
Sword Of Doom
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Devilinthiscity
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LordBaztion
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I don't think it to have hardware issues at the level of breaking the console like RROD was because it has that kind of temperature control. Maybe what the Boat means is that there are going to be performance issues for examples games crashing more often. Something I find worysome is Ryse is some kind of CoD game so 900 might be a benefit of that game design that not all games would be able to get. In the other hand I doubt developers to not being able to find improvements on the console as the time passes, just calling XBO reached its peak its premature.
Also I find really weak arguments that supports XBO will flop forcing MS to leave the market. No one would just drop an investment as big as Xbox is.
Interesting is going to see how is MS going to compete in this escenario, my bet is they will focus on bringing the best service for online gaming which will include a huge focus on the digital market as was originally planned. I expect to see significantly better offers in XBL than PSN within 2 years and a Kinect less version three months after TitanFall release.
Also I find really weak arguments that supports XBO will flop forcing MS to leave the market. No one would just drop an investment as big as Xbox is.
Interesting is going to see how is MS going to compete in this escenario, my bet is they will focus on bringing the best service for online gaming which will include a huge focus on the digital market as was originally planned. I expect to see significantly better offers in XBL than PSN within 2 years and a Kinect less version three months after TitanFall release.
That's maybe a serious problem. It's like using a 1 amp fuse to govern a 2 amp current load so to speak.
The fuse being the esram and the current being the information of the frame buffer. If I'm off let me know Skeff but that's the GENERAL idea. I understand programming can be very different than just plain current.
SwiftDeath
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Oh, of course, I don't think its a huge deal in the general market, but we aren't the general market, and that's why we have the responses we do.
Meus Renaissance
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True. Microsoft's problem were the price and DRM issue, not so much the hardware's capabilities - that is what impacted pre-orders. This debate about console power, however, is another thing altogether.
Were the Xbox One to drop in price tomorrow to 399, everything would change
dragonelite
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Thanks guys
What if developers don´t have the money or man power to pull a native 1080p?
Making an 720p or 900p game isn't any different then making 1080p.
I would bet that an artist can make better stuff on a 2k*2k pixel texture then on a 512*512 pixel texture.
Pretty much what i thought 900p on X1 Microsoft dun goof so don't blame the devs blame microsoft for soft balling the specs,
I think they have to go lower then 399 maybe something around 359 without kinect after launch momentum.
If you can only get one console you would then ps4 is best value/buck if you don't care then hell get them all.
SwiftDeath
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True enough for the casuals and the softcore
The hardcore (or whatever) would still likely go to the PS4 for the majority though as we know it to be more powerful
Power is something only enthusiasts really care about, but price is something everyone cares about at least at some point
MS isn't dropping that price or kinect until spring I bet at least
SneakyStephan
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Not this shit again, even if one dignifies your 'can't see the difference' point, that would only apply to movies and tv.
3d graphics suffer from all kinds of aliasing : stair stepping on polygonal edges, pixel crawling, shimmering, moiree, transparency aliasing
Textures also get sampled at very steep angles in games, and unless you have good texture filtering AND a high resolution they will lose all their detail.
A scene rendered in 3d will look exponentially much worse as the resolution goes down.
And you can't even use screenshots to compare it (which is one reason why publishers care less about a game's native res, as it's still fairly easy to market in still images and they can always just bullshot their PR material) , as those will only show certain kinds of aliasing, once you see it in motion that is when the moiree, pixel crawling and shimmering show their ugly face.
They only care if it sells, not if it's good or bad.
But as a gamer you should care.
You're a gamer right, not a publisher exec? then you should care.
Check your PMs, please.
where were these CBOAT comments posted? which topic?
about his prediction, I have to say that forza is not only 1080p, but also runs at 60hz.
so, from 1080/60 right to 900/30, there seems to be also some space in between for games to target at..
never the less, that does not change my opinion that BOTH coming consoles are missing their target, but xbone is doing so in a humiliating way.
about his prediction, I have to say that forza is not only 1080p, but also runs at 60hz.
so, from 1080/60 right to 900/30, there seems to be also some space in between for games to target at..
never the less, that does not change my opinion that BOTH coming consoles are missing their target, but xbone is doing so in a humiliating way.
Kibbles
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Seriously considering canceling this now.. Seeming like a worse and worse value proposition every day.
Oh and regarding the "more powerful console" talk, has the more powerful console ever been much cheaper than the weaker console before, because that's a huge factor here.
Keep it wrapped, sell in 20 years.
Oh shit.
aygomyownroad
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If he is right with reliability issues etc why didn't MS just focus on 2014? I mean the PS3 was able to go toe to toe with the 360 for units sold despite being late.
Not getting an Xbone but really hope they don't screw up like the rrod. Don't wish that on any gamer...
Not getting an Xbone but really hope they don't screw up like the rrod. Don't wish that on any gamer...
LOL "friend I am a good lookiin guy who believe in Jesus and would not LIE TO YOU"
Keep it wrapped, sell in 20 years.
from the sound of things he'll be having that thing wrapped in a towel soon enough.
oconnomiyaki
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I swear it's getting to the point where a powerful console with no games could be released and this form would sing its praises based on a spec sheet. It's oneupsmanship to the ridiculous extreme.
SwiftDeath
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Because they know what happened last gen and why they won the first half of the gen
Being first by a year is a decent lead time to build an install base
Now I just hope they learn about the price point problem they have on their hands
Eh at the end of the day us enthusiasts just want to know and want as much evidence as possible
It is the job of both companies to sell us on their product and their job to protect any negative news on it
This adds further evidence to the narrative and illuminates other potential bottlenecks in the XB1
I don't think it's uncalled for to have enthusiasts constantly seeking the most powerful console
The games and NFL deal is defensive moneyhatting. Without which the box would be far, far worse off. I don't buy spending $100 million on a controller but if MS wants to give the impression that they can throw money at the problem, more power to them. The problem is that the political forces inside MS have changed recently. There will be considerable pressure on the incoming CEO to trim the fat, and Xbox is absolutely fat. Microsoft may want to be a 'devices and services' company but they are royally sucking at the devices part right now if you've been following their recent products.
It's telling that you didn't call it a gaming console. They will absolutely let it die if they think other devices like tablets and phones are better buys (they are).
Xbox One could make 10x the margin the PS4 does and it wouldn't matter. The current trend on the street is to focus on core strengths first, then profitable ventures, then growth areas. The Xbox division doesn't check any of those boxes if it stumbles out of the gate, which it is on pace to do.
Xbox is just treading water at this point. Behold:
Those sound like some fighting words towards us.
Hydrogen Bluebird
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lol.
Is Cboat doing anything illegal/that can be considered a federal offense (assuming he is from MS )?
Devilinthiscity
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That hubris. Plus they didn't want sony to get the upper hand in the states, their biggest install base. Same here though. I have a few friends that have an xbone preordered and It would be a bummer if that happened to them.
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