Muppet of a Man
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Really? GAF insiders keep piling on, man. Where there's (lots of) smoke, there's fire.
For reference, see the update post in this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...6#post87786946
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famousmortimer: Xbox One OS and Xbox Live issues bouncing about as we approach launch
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Really? GAF insiders keep piling on, man. Where there's (lots of) smoke, there's fire.
For reference, see the update post in this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...6#post87786946
Neuromancer
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He defended the use of anonymous sources to the Kooch and also implied he would be writing a piece about this story today.
It has been since the Xbox One was announced and all of the so called unbelievable rumors actually proved to be true. That is what makes this newest round of Xbox One woes all the more worrying. Right at launch, no less.
TheCanisDirus
Member
This. I dont think he'd risk his livelihood (presumably) on such unfounded remarks. But we'll see tomorrow!
clay_ghost
Member
I don't undersatnd what happen to wiiu then. Where are they in the cycle?
SpartanN92
Banned
THIS!
And who knows where the future takes us from here. Clearly PS+ success has driven MS to proceed down a similar avenue with Games for Gold (Still in it's infancy, I'm certain the free games will get MUCH better eventually)
Or come back with more of that "get a second job if you can't afford a PS3".
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
There will be no monopoly in gaming as long as there are PCs - and those aren't going anywhere.
I think you guys don't even realize how much of a pillar the hardcore gamers are for this industry. If Sony gets the monopoly, the fucks up and we go away they won't get far.
SolsticeZero
Banned
CloakedPuppet
Member
Well, you did some digging there - and you're right, I guess. We are all guilty of wanting change in one area or another with our favorite hobby. I do think there's a big difference between wanting COD to fail if only to force publishers to move in a new direction vs an entire console tanking.
I think we all can agree that having MS and Sony fighting it out on even ground is a good thing. If one of them fails then it will inevitably effect the industry in ways that we all lose out. COD and niche fans alike.
LiLSnorpSnorp
Member
I don't see either company getting control over the industry anytime soon, they both make great products at the end of the day, and the generation has yet to start. And yeah, I didn't ever use PSN this gen because XBL was so good, but there's no doubt in my mind because of XBL PSN this gen will be just as good for multiplayer gaming. Competition breeds great products, and we are fortunate to have two companies battle it out like Sony and MS. No one should wish for the failure and exodus of either company from the industry, at the end it hurts the consumer if that were to happen. It's not an easy industry to enter either, for those who believe Valve should for example replace MS.
These are luxury products: they either appeal or they don't and these companies are owed nothing in regard to their success.
TheOctodad
Member
Agreed. Let's keep this thread clean and going strong. No 4chan stuff, no crazy tweets from crazies.
Nothing dumb about his post at all. The opposite implication, (which seems to be more in your line of thinking) is that every company should succeed no matter their business practices and or/ethical stances, just to save the jobs of their employees, no matter how vile that company may otherwise be.
Netherscourge
Banned
Why anyone still has a XB1 pre-ordered boggles my mind.
Why Microsoft is not simply delaying it's launch another year boggles my mind even more.
Why Microsoft is not simply delaying it's launch another year boggles my mind even more.
Nothing wrong with maximising profits. But you have to realize you need competition to get things. Without MS you wont get free PSN games, pay 599 for the console and have a multiplayer paywall. Plus DRM.
Liquidsnake
Banned
As I have said before. Without the 360, there would be no PS4 as we know it. I pray both consoles sell at least 5 million each at launch, and they both thrive.
Majmun
Member
And they just kinda recovered from the DRM-mess. Now this.
Launch should be interesting.
SpartanN92
Banned
The success of Sony and MS will cause them to see the error of their ways and either A: Make a new console relatively soon or B: Make a goddamn Pokemon MMO and watch people flock to them.
This is part of the cycle...Nintendo kicked ass and took names this gen (At least in hardware sales).... hey got complacent. Thought they could ride the Wii name forever. They released a VERY VERY under powered console with no games.
If Nintendo is smart this holiday season will light a fire beneath their asses to do better next time.
OffTopic:
Hey Schreier, I had a beef with you earlier(you probably didn't notice me in all the whubub) during the Kamitani episode where I thought you were THE 14 year old child.
Always believed when one is set to critique another you must start by setting the level of discussion and I found that you set it at a 14 year old boys as you accused Kamitani of doing and even argued that his response was correct by sending, imo, sexy burly dwarves to you. I since not visited Kotaku since I couldn't stomach the majority of the comments.
But I promised one thing, if I ever found out you weren't a 14 year old dillweed I would apologize in the same forum I talked ill of you, so here it is, me saying sorry.
I'm sorry. You aren't a bad bloke. I hope you can take at least this one wrongdoers apology to heart.
You say that but if you read the rest of the thread even the xboxone news twitter account is saying that they should be showing the UI and how they seem to be hiding it.
Hes not calling bullshit, he saying that anyone can say anything, which is true. Oddly however he isn't saying anything which is why everyone is jumping up and down on rumors like this!
learnedhand
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Launch gaf is best gaf.
Before this launch hurricane reaches shore, I just want to say that I love all of you.
Now, Katy bar the door.
Before this launch hurricane reaches shore, I just want to say that I love all of you.
Now, Katy bar the door.
Good lord. Sounds like this will be a messy launch on both sides
freenudemacusers
Member
I was just poking you
I think it's normal to want, on some level, something to 'fail' if you think it's a bad product or represents ideas that you strongly oppose.. I'm sure I've done it too. Of course there is a reasonable way to go about it and a less reasonable way to do it 
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
No they haven't. They just haven't up-ressed games intended for the PS3. They know for certain that they can sell as many PS4s as they can manufacture so there's very little point in rushing games to market in order to have lots of 1st party games available. This is probably why they decided to delay Driveclub. As far as the lineup overall is concerned, Sony has more games catering to a wider demographic, including FTP games, Indie games and AAA games (both 1st and 3rd party).
Agreed.
I have no sympathy for the Microsoft position as it stands. They've created this bed.
They need to stop with the sidestepping of questions and just be honest about the current situation and what they are going to do to fix it.
I honestly think that would go quite a bit further in repairing their image. (Will they? I don't know, history would suggest they won't).
Gordon Shumway
Banned
lol..terrible.
A few multiplatform titles running at different resolutions? We had that all through the PS360 gen.
The downclock turned into an upclock and they came out straight themselves with the original DRM and DD policies, before changing that up.
It's Jack Frags "DING DING DING" that has people worried.
TheOctodad
Member
But it doesn't seem that JackFrags was ...
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Are you sure about that?
Sony has announced 10 games out of 20 due to be released in the first year. Three are there at launch, another two following in the launch window. I don't see what the problem is. What is this obsession with launch? It's not like SCE released 6 games in one month in the past 3 years, and then decided to relax for the remaining 11 months. Releases are naturally spaced out.
There's a difference between 640p vs. 720p and 720p vs. 1080p. People made a big deal about the resolution and framerate differences then, if they're bigger now why isn't it a big deal?
I'm actually surprised he has not posted in this thread. He has been active lately.
Either that or maybe MS got to him.
Hope not
Portugeezer
Member
DING DING DING DING DING
GalacticaN7
Banned
So, haven't been in thread since last night.
We still doom and gloom for XBone OS? Or have new developments materialized?
We still doom and gloom for XBone OS? Or have new developments materialized?
Have to admit I'm surprised by some of the stuff being kicked around in this regard. They have a lot of memory available (slower than PS4 or not) and it really should be okay for this stuff.
Only thing I can think of is the OS is heavily focused on media/TV integration instead and very fast app / program swapping. After all looking at latest Smart TVs MS are going to have to have features/speed that convinces you to even bother with running stuff through your XB1 in the first place vs just firing up Netflix or whatever on your TV directly and saving a yourself money on electricity in the process.
But even so - I would have thought all this stuff was in the OS. Only other angle I can think of is this is some kind of temporary fix due to the 180s - i.e. the original infrastructure was so tightly tied together around always on, etc. they couldn't reverse it all in time and decided on a workaround (although this seems unlikely to me too).
Dang it just doesn't make sense to me and I'd love someone to explain why they'd take this approach.
SpartanN92
Banned
No the market will decide how it works. I am saying you don't WANT this to happen. For the sake of jobs and diversity you don't WANT it to happen.
For example: I'm not a fan of the current American government administration. I don't WANT it to fail because of the repercussions but that doesn't mean that voters won't decide that.
All I was saying from the beginning was that hoping for a console (or any product to fail) is stupid. Unless it is directly hurting you in someway there is no reason for you not to live and let live.
All XBO has done in it's current state is make PS4 look better in most regards. They are now forced to go on the offensive to try and win back every customer they lost by creating a more appealing product/game etc...Then Sony will do the same thing again, then Nintendo, then MS ETC.......
ethomaz
Banned
I confused the twitters... I saw he saying "trololololo" for another thing.
Sorry my mistake.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Im not saying its a good or bad thing if microsoft leaves the market, just that there as much advantages as disadvantages to their presence in the gaming landscape.
Likewise, a industry without Sony would mean much more emphasis on graphically unimpressive but extremely colourful games based around gameplay first graphics second. Especially if console maker sega survived.
Nobody is too big to fail. Gaming will not die and nobody will every the absolute monopoly Nintendo once enjoyed.
All that will happen is the gaming landscape will change and what is in vogue now will be old hat. It would upset some but most will adapt and move on.
crazygambit
Member
Oh wow, I remember that thread, there's a lot of crow to go around.
The good old tradition of never buying at launch holds more weight than ever, it would seem. Play what you got, watch from the sidelines and then hop on in once the dust starts to settle a few months later.
It has shifted to gloom and doom.
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