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Digital Foundry Admits To Botching Battlefield 4 PS4/XB1 Video Capture
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He's not talking just about neogaf, neogaf was just an example. Most people just browse the pics so Microsoft benefited greatly from this, whether it was intentional or not he doesn't know. So it seems you're completely missing and misinterpreting his point.
The Jason
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Even if its not official, he admits that DF is aware of the issue, yet has made no public statement regarding the inaccurate capture
If you read the DF article that accompanied the video they do indeed mention it and how it could be a capture problem...
I think that the thread title being 'Digital Foundry Admits To Botching Battlefield 4 PS4/XB1 Video Capture' does not correlate to the quotes I just gave from dark10x, the source of this story.
He SPECIFICALLY says 'that's just my statement on the situation not an official DF statement'
Yes yes it is
Of course they should. All footage is clearly at different video output levels, even to the untrained eye. Then again, they've done the same thing before so it doesn't surprise me.
just face it, what is the % of people that actually read the whole article
Oh man.
Admitting the mistake on GAF rather than their own site is idiotic. They should take down the article temporarily and edit it to reflect that they initially fucked up. They didn't do it intentionally, though. It also doesn't matter whether it's an "official" statement or not. If that's how it went down, that's how it went down. If it isn't how it went down, why say anything at all?
Still, with blunders like these coupled with Leadbetter's weird fanboyism, I can see why people would be frustrated with them.
Admitting the mistake on GAF rather than their own site is idiotic. They should take down the article temporarily and edit it to reflect that they initially fucked up. They didn't do it intentionally, though. It also doesn't matter whether it's an "official" statement or not. If that's how it went down, that's how it went down. If it isn't how it went down, why say anything at all?
Still, with blunders like these coupled with Leadbetter's weird fanboyism, I can see why people would be frustrated with them.
Yep.
The Jason
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They say its possible, but its quite obvious now. They need to take down the inaccurate footage
I agree, DF fucked up. I am not saying otherwise, but they have not officially admitted it which is what this thread title says.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
So, the part where they disparage the PS4 for lacking clarity is partly due to their mistakes and yet, they are leaving that tripe in their comparison even after admitting their mistake on NeoGAF?
Wow - commenting on an article and not reading the thread first is idiotic.
It's not an official statement from DF, just an opinion from a guy who works there. They will update the article once they actually come out and address the issue because Eurogamer ALWAYS does that. They're pretty good at transparency.
Also, as people have said, the possible capture issues are mentioned several times in the actual comparison.
People only get frustrated with them when it's DF don't bolster their existing opinions. DF are the best at what they do and I think it's nuts how people are reacting to this. There's no conspiracy, never has been.
Sorry, not our problem... compared to the other vids out there they shouldn't have posted theirs. Look at how many people were confused last night because they were focusing on the captures and not what was written in the article.
I think it was too. If you read the comment here, it's obvious to me at least that they had no reason to believe their method was flawed or in anyway would get a biased result. It's only after the other videos were posted to the Internet that they saw the differences. I think it was honestly a mistake that they were trying to be as unbiased as possible, which ended up being worse.
deputyspade
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The huge sin are the screenshots and video footage that people are using to claim the boner version is superior. Other review sites have had completely opposite results.
3rdamention
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I would just like to say that it is refreshing to see Digital Foundry admit that their capture was not calibrated very well. However, I would have thought that after seeing the game in person, they would have known that something was wrong and prefaced that in their comparison. They spent a paragraph talking about the settings, how they captured the footage, they could have simply included "We did notice our video capture came out pretty dark in comparison to what we saw, this could be that our settings are not fine tuned for next gen hardware. We are looking into it"
Also, in their defense, they did mention that their were some weird settings that were causing the PS4 to appear washed out, and didn't crush the blacks like the Xbox One version, and they said it could be a capture situation. However, both captures were incredibly dark regardless.
Finally, for everyone that is screaming MS and DF conspiracy theory, did you even read the comparison? No matter what the videos really looked like, or how clear and bright the comparison images were, the actual text if you read it doesn't really give the Xbox One much of an edge anywhere. Its not like they said it had a lot of advantages, and tried to make each version seem similar. They basically said the PS4 outperforms the Xbox One version in every way. So I don't think they were intentionally trying to make them look similar, or downplay any differences, when their actual text in the article (if anyone would read it) makes each version sound quite different.
Also, in their defense, they did mention that their were some weird settings that were causing the PS4 to appear washed out, and didn't crush the blacks like the Xbox One version, and they said it could be a capture situation. However, both captures were incredibly dark regardless.
Finally, for everyone that is screaming MS and DF conspiracy theory, did you even read the comparison? No matter what the videos really looked like, or how clear and bright the comparison images were, the actual text if you read it doesn't really give the Xbox One much of an edge anywhere. Its not like they said it had a lot of advantages, and tried to make each version seem similar. They basically said the PS4 outperforms the Xbox One version in every way. So I don't think they were intentionally trying to make them look similar, or downplay any differences, when their actual text in the article (if anyone would read it) makes each version sound quite different.
maabus1999
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How do you know??
GIF captured off XO? Blacks are crushed.
crooked spin
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I'm not talking PS4 vs Xbone. I'm making a general statement since this person who obviously learned a new word last night is spouting nonsense about it being objectively bad when I can tell you that that's not the case.
I read the thread fine.
He shouldn't have commented at all, but instead he expressly said "that's how I understand it went down." That's not "I'm just speculatin'!" It doesn't matter whether it's an official statement or not. If that's such an issue, he shouldn't have said anything at all.
Official or not, they fucked up. Bill Clinton did not need to admit to banging his intern, for it to be true or not. He was doing it, whether it was official or not.
Liamario
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They need to take the whole article down and rewrite it when they are able to do a proper comparison.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Paracelsus
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Just check the first page of the faceoff thread, you could tell something was horribly wrong. I was reading while having the video run in a separate window and I couldn't tell which one was supposed to be the better version, the text read like sarcasm.
I wonder how many people got swayed by such a lazy effort.
I wonder how many people got swayed by such a lazy effort.
lol @ DF admit it
they got cought by neogaf. and they didn't admit anything yet.
if it wasn't for the gaffers here, they would't have said anything.
and if they admit it, they should update their article. its clear what is the motive behind this. and frankly, they deserve the shit they are getting.
you do not fuck up one of the biggest games this holiday, and the very first PS4 vs Xbox one and then let it slide in hope no one notice it. by trying to make the xbox one look as good as possible while killing the PS4 version.
they got cought by neogaf. and they didn't admit anything yet.
if it wasn't for the gaffers here, they would't have said anything.
and if they admit it, they should update their article. its clear what is the motive behind this. and frankly, they deserve the shit they are getting.
you do not fuck up one of the biggest games this holiday, and the very first PS4 vs Xbox one and then let it slide in hope no one notice it. by trying to make the xbox one look as good as possible while killing the PS4 version.
DF have been a joke since he fucked up the FFXIII comparison and people had to bug him until he was forced to do a decent job, and even then it was an embarrassing shit show. However, until now, they've at least always been fair with the objective aspects of their comparisons.
Bad form DF, bad form.
Bad form DF, bad form.
haha exactly, especially when they talk about the PS4 code being "ascendent"
Unfortunately, not enough.
Ohh great, so it wasn't a mistake its just that their capture equipment is god awful, I'm not sure which is worse tbh.
No, maybe not as he didn't write the article. But then maybe we shouldn't turn it into an attention grabbing headline without making sure the sources are concrete? All of which still makes your complaints about DF not rectifying the article somewhat moot.
Also "that's how I understand things" and "that's my opinion" are pretty damned interchangeable as his understanding is not fact. It amounts to the same thing.
On GAF, facts matter. They matter a LOT. This is not DF admitting anything like the thread title says. The source of the story said he has no official capacity to make that admission.
I don't see what part of this you don't understand.
DF probably will make that statement, they just haven't yet and that makes this thread title a disingenuous one. Imagine if all thread titles had leniency like this one?
Jeez, so much drama before launch. Literally every day it's more fuel on the fire. Can't wait to get legit side by sides so we can move on. It's just going to confirm what we already know. PS4 is more powerful than XB1 but it will amount to a minimal visual or performance difference this early in the gen
cebri.one
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Poor guy. Sadly this is how some sites work just to get clicks.
IAmRandom31
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Alright here we go.
Here is the Jack upload vs. the DF upload screens
Top is the DF video, you can see the crushed blacks
Bottom is the Jack upload, same scene you can see the difference in the wheel black
DF did it on purpose from what I see
For reference, had to edit my screens from page 18 of the original BF thread
Yes facts matter, and that is why the thread is here.
If he didn't write the article that's only even less reason to say anything.
I think the article's fine, but the media content needs revised.
*sigh* Their capture equipment isn't awful. It's just the first time they used it with next-gen consoles and they couldn't test it thoroughly as they were at a time-limited event.
Go through their comparison history - nearly all of their vids (which they tend to upload at a pretty damned high bit-rate and have available for download for better quality) are fantastic. And their Framerate comparison stuff is second to none. Their equipment is great and this oversight is completely understandable.
Should they update the article to reflect the issues? Yes of course but it's also been less than a day since it went online... Maybe give them some time GAF? Or are witchhunts best served warm?
Well if you agree that facts matter please link me to the official statement for 'Digital Foundry Admits To Botching Battlefield 4 PS4/XB1 Video Capture' and not the comments from dark10x
Imo you're arguing semantics. Being an official statement is not as important as you think it is.
phosphor112
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DF used limited RGB for X1 and Full for RGB. So their description is wrong.
PistolGrip
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So JackFrags the new hero.
ShockingAlberto
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So having read the first page, it seems that
- Digital Foundry is biased against the Xbox One
- Digital Foundry is biased against the PS4
- Those who think Digital Foundry was right/wrong about ______ are irrational fanboys for _______.
- Digital Foundry is biased against the Xbox One
- Digital Foundry is biased against the PS4
- Those who think Digital Foundry was right/wrong about ______ are irrational fanboys for _______.
panda-zebra
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DF is best known for one thing, people have been waiting for this, all eyes on.. and they somehow suddenly cannot manage to pull off the one thing they are supposed to have leet ninjas status for? Yeah, wow is too fucking right.
That page should be pulled until they un-arse their vids.
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