I think 10 million on 360 alone would be as much as CoD?maybe more?
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Respawn: EA made Titanfall deal, only for one game, will work on PS4 later
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I think 10 million on 360 alone would be as much as CoD?maybe more?
Kydd BlaZe
Member
I don't know about 10 million, but the bulk of the sales will undoubtedly come from the 360 version.
NoMoreTrolls
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I tend to agree, but we won't know until it releases. So far, though, we haven't seen gangbuster sales for an online-only title on a console yet (though admittedly there have been damn few of those, and none as interesting as Titanfall).
Sony have plenty of strong IPs, including a brand new multi million seller in The Last of Us. They don't need luck when their Gran Turismo IP has already sold 16 million copies just on the PS3 and GT 6 is about to come out.
Kydd BlaZe
Member
On 360 alone, call of duty usually pulls in around 12-15 million copies. 10 million would put Titanfall pretty close to them in that regard.
maybe you right but developer are never forced to do something that they had not signed for before...
if EA had the power to change the deal with ms..is coz they could from the start..and respawn had not control on it...so the sad face is naive
developers go where they get more money..and im sure respawn is being happy where they are
Why does any competitor need to have such directly competing games? Halo killer? LOL. Stupid concept.
DC1
Member
Then you you missed the point of the point that launched this specific discussionstudios r done by ppls..not by contracts...
if naughty dog developers (the importants one) tommorrow find out that sony isnt anymore good ..they leave their job for sony (they arent in jail)
build a new game..called "the next game better than uncharted"...and pubblish it for OUYA maybe
Or
We are all drowning in a cesspool of semantics.
For the record part two.
We all know that no corporate entity (in a democratic society) owns the rights to a human or their creative ability.
However, the corporate entity can own any and all intellectual properties, toolsets, algorithms, code and documentation.
And if you're so lucky, they can own your right to work for another company for a period of time.
I think we have agreement here, yes?
Yeah, they're basically saying that Titanfall on the 360 will be the best selling videogame SKU of 2014.
You obviously have not been paying attention to the state of MS over the last 6 months. They have ousted their CEO due to his failure of leadership. They lost the head xbox guy and merged the divisions. If you look at the xbox division from strictly an investment perspective it has been unsuccessful. The shareholders are demanding things from MS. They have said they are not going to keep allowing that division to bleed money.
Yes, MS has the cash, but that doesn't mean that the people are in charge are going to start writing blank checks to wrap up exclusives.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
This. If that's the case, where's MS's "Uncharted Killer" or "The Last of Us Killer" or "Ratchet and Clank Killer" or... the list goes on and on. Guess what? Sony doesn't need a "Halo Killer." They've somehow managed to do great without having a franchise that is in direct competition with one of MS's. They have their own FPS franchises that, while they may not set sales charts on fire, perform well enough to make Sony money.
That's all any game company needs. No company should make games specifically to "kill" a franchise from another company... this kind of reactionary game creation would be damaging to the industry as a whole.
They don't need to as long as 343i are handling it.
Having owned a 360 from launch I fully remember how quickly Microsofts pockets empty when it comes to exclusives and money hats after the initial launch rush.
LiquidSolid
Member
This is like a scattering of different thoughts thrown into a blender.
Microsoft is investing millions into Titanfall and their rewards will be very short term, up until the second game comes out on the PS4. Sony has invested millions into Uncharted and they'll continue to benefit from it for as long as that series continues (probably into the PS5). One is a smart long term business plan, the other is a dumb short term strategy.
People are forgetting that having MS not screw up so much until now they probably wouldn't had attempted to make TF exclusive. This is something they have to do to start fixing up things I think, and is a good move for them. I wont antagonize them for trying to fix things up, Sony had to do the same thing with the ps3. Now that their methods might not be the best for "gamers" well this is a business after all, unfortunately. Best thing to do as a "gamer" is to pick up both consoles at some point, or just give up the title and enjoy other games on other platforms.
I don't think any of the consoles is worth to pick up by launch I will wait enough for both to mature and get cheaper. People want everything "now" and when they don't get it they flame, hope and expects. But I get everything I want, I just have to be patient.
Sorry I went a bit off-topic.
I don't think any of the consoles is worth to pick up by launch I will wait enough for both to mature and get cheaper. People want everything "now" and when they don't get it they flame, hope and expects. But I get everything I want, I just have to be patient.
Sorry I went a bit off-topic.
So what I'm getting from all this is that most probably:
Man - big business is serious business.
Wonder how Respawn really feel though - if the tweet is accurate I doubt they wanted to feel this challenged relationship wise so early in their new incarnation from IW.
Am I missing anything?
- Originally TitanFall was timed exclusive only - probably MS not anticipating quite as much backlash with launch, etc. saw it as a nice exclusive during first 12 months until Halo 5, etc was announced and shown - and hence CBOAT leak was probably originally right too
- More recently - timing unknown - MS approched EA and made additional deal for full exclusive (still with terms judgin by tweets and the wording "life of product") - presumerably spurred by strong negative XB1 sentiment and strong positive TitanFall sentiment.
- EA contract with Respawn is such they could negotiate and agree without direct Respawn involvement and did so.
- Respawn seem unhappy at this and have chosen to lift the hood a little and make clear the franchise may still hit PS4 at some point - whether via sequel or some rebranding or whatever
- MS now have a more solid exclusive than before and one that has some much needed positive hype. EA no doubt pocketed much more than for the timed deal and still have left open getting money from PS4 at a later date in some form.
Man - big business is serious business.
Wonder how Respawn really feel though - if the tweet is accurate I doubt they wanted to feel this challenged relationship wise so early in their new incarnation from IW.
Am I missing anything?
If the original story goes that TitanFall would be timed for 6 months to a year. Then it already is behind as far as building the Playstation userbase (behind but not fully dismissed). I think of Mass Effect. Plus then it has to compete with the new games at that later date.
The reason they make deals for timed exclusives is because the effect you're wanting to have and the impression you're trying to make (associate this hot game with us only) has already been made. So its possible EA felt like why not get paid extra for it, since its all lost time (the damage is done). Granted we're not privy to the contract, but they may be able to pull a Ninja Gaiden Sigma (or would a GotY edition even qualify as well)? In that case they've made even more money off basically the same deal we always were aware of. This has been done before in gaming, hasn't it?...tacking on a Limited/Special Edition, or putting a colon on it and calling it something like Titanfall:Awakening.
That's kind of predicated on the idea that the EA deal with Respawn is a multi-title deal. If they only have rights to the first title alone, then they've capped their sales for good and I don't know why they would do that...Unless MS dropped enough money to cover the losses which seems like it could be pretty substantial. Its basically free money at that point. Opportunity cost, its pretty interesting.
The reason they make deals for timed exclusives is because the effect you're wanting to have and the impression you're trying to make (associate this hot game with us only) has already been made. So its possible EA felt like why not get paid extra for it, since its all lost time (the damage is done). Granted we're not privy to the contract, but they may be able to pull a Ninja Gaiden Sigma (or would a GotY edition even qualify as well)? In that case they've made even more money off basically the same deal we always were aware of. This has been done before in gaming, hasn't it?...tacking on a Limited/Special Edition, or putting a colon on it and calling it something like Titanfall:Awakening.
That's kind of predicated on the idea that the EA deal with Respawn is a multi-title deal. If they only have rights to the first title alone, then they've capped their sales for good and I don't know why they would do that...Unless MS dropped enough money to cover the losses which seems like it could be pretty substantial. Its basically free money at that point. Opportunity cost, its pretty interesting.
I agree. Give MS some credit who is at lease trying compete by buying up to a good game and promote it. Look at Nintendo, buy 2 exclusives from Kamiya and then sit there and do nothing.
That's what I've gather so far as well. Titanfall is really the only game I'm excited for that would make me want an Xbox one right now. Luckily I'll be able to play it on PC so I'm not really stopped from playing it. If MS wanted to go this far it should've been an Xbox one exclusive to sell consoles. I'd rather spend money to update my graphics card than buy the console at this point.
IchigoSharingan
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it is zampellas first 3rd party exclusive for Respawn.
Tripp Daily
Member
I'm sure Respawn is attempting to just take the bad spotlight off of them when it comes looking like they screwed over Sony fans. Can't blame them, even though I'm sure they pocketed a good deal of cash from this contract as well.
They, like all developers I'm sure want their game experienced by as many people as possible. I can't imagine a developer with a mentality of "screw those xbox and nintendo fans, i only want Sony fans experiencing my game!"
**Also, lets not pretend that Vince is a saint here. He isn't that far removed from a business scandal. We all like to point at Activision and make them out to be the evil doers, but there were two parties involved and I'm sure IW played a role as well. Vince could have very well been in the conversation with EA and MS and is just trying to save a little face buy telling a white lie.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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If I were Respawn and I truly didn't like EA decision, I would try to move Titanfall 2 to another publisher if it is at all possible. In fact, I'd give Take Two a call.
NullPointer
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Wow, no. Just no. No to every part of this. Extra double no with a capital NO on top.
I agree, which is also horribly unprofessional of them.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Yeah would be around the same. Only exclusive I know of that can get those numbers is Gran Turismo.
I believe EA partners has publishing rights for the life of the IP
GlamFM
Banned
Yeah man - you cracked it. That sure is exactly what it is...
Or, you know, maybe it´s just a deal with MS.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I disagree. I don't think they would have been so open about bringing the game to other platforms if they had no intentions of doing so.
Vince was pretty clear yesterday that he believes this hurts the prospects of the IP which is true
I'd be very surprised if EA didn't have an exclusive first look arrangement on sequels.
Teletraan1
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Respawn if salty about this should not have not gotten into bed with EA. Worst company years running doing something shitty is unsurprising. Perhaps the next deal they make will be with someone a little less shady or have clauses to protect them from things like this.
i don't buy Respawn being caught unaware by something like this. After the fiasco they went through with Activision they were pretty lawyered up by then. They're just trying to be the good guy and play both sides. This is a business and it makes sense for them to play that part.
Liamario
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You've pretty much summed it for me. Obviously respawn weren't aware of the decision by EA and as such it's certainly not going to improve the relationship.
Maybe I was joking?
Seeing it written like this. This can't have backfired harder.
Until last night, most people assumed the series would go multiplatform, but no one could have known for sure, but MS locking the game down forever has actually forced the producer's hand to confirm their future plans for PS4.
GlamFM
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lets be reasonable here... whats not to like?
practically, the only thing they are missing are the ps3 sales,
and even those, you have to picture them happening not 2014 spring, but 2015 spring because of the previously known time exclusivity.
so, what they gain in exchange?
their own company, being "cared for" (in a business manner) and promoted by what are the heavy hitters, those who pack the money. (ea/ms, one has steam the other has ps4 to compete)
and of course, the monetary terms now, i would guess are much more in their favor than lets say 2 years ago.
from where I'm sitting, their starting project being good enough to be the gears of war (or even better) for the xbone, and a second reason next to bf4 to install that freakin'origin client, it sure seems like a very sound and profitable strategy.
I would not call a looser a person who would plan like this, especially given how the market is and how the industry spends at this period. probably the opposite...
Unknown One
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I wish EA didn't own Dice. I could go full boycott if it wasn't for that.
..i dont think is dumb i think is smart enough seeing their taking lots of money with their games sales...and leave them free...spending 1/5 of building up and manteining a studio and pay them good to dont leave the job
if the rewards will be enough maybe they will pay for the exclusivity of tf2..or maybe they will try to buy respawn...or maybe...nothing of this two...
plus...i always prefeer timed exclusives coz maybe tomorrow i could be bored to buy the "xxx" console and maybe i would buy "yyy" console..leaving me the opportunity to play that game serie again....
.for me the only who should own ips r developers...but this is just a personal opinion
Micromegas
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First of all, Halo has already killed itself. As for Titanfall, it isn't anything yet, so there's nothing to kill. Once it's established, and if it's a huge hit, yeah, Sony will regret not securing a multi-platform release. Until then, Titanfall is unproven, untested, and unestablished. It does look good in previews though, but then again, so did Starhawk.
sure that we agree on that
but look bungie is the perfect example of what i was saying...
halo was on xb and they cant get that out from that console....so they doing another great game (ihmo) destiny...that honestly could be also better than halo right?
yeah but sony own ND I don't think MS ever owned bungie i could be wrong about that, but thats why ND couldn't release anything on XB
Microsoft most certainly did own Bungie.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/06/20/microsoft-acquires-bungie
This is what I actually find most fascinating - I mean when EA and MS signed the deal it surely wasn't part of the plan to have Reswpawn make clear the next day they didn't expect deal originally to be fully exclusive and they still saw themselves supporting PS4 at some point.
I doubt MS are happy he let that out in the open essentially right away - although I guess the Reswpan guys do have a history from Activision days of not seeing eye to eye with the powers that be.
Psycho_Mantis
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MS has payed for it to not come to PS4 as well as PS3. Basically a shit ton of money. Kind of shows their desperation as well as their commitment to XB1.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Wouldn't it HILARIOUS if Titanfall sucked? So much hype down the drain. Everybody who annoyingly spouted the "Did you SEE Titanfall?!" quip would immediately start spouting, "I wish I never seen Titanfall....". That would be fuckin funny as hell!!
A game that can sell as much as halo4, is far from dead.