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[Primedoughnut]

Assuming that Microsoft's eventual new management won't say "fuck the console business, we're out", I can only see two ways of trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat:

1. Kill the Xbox One fast, I mean like in four years, and release a new console like they did with the first Xbox.
2. Go all out on moneyhatting, buying up exclusives (timed or otherwise) left and right.

I think the second scenario is more likely, coupled with a huge marketing effort. The PS4 is the better system, no doubt about it, but the battle is still far from over.

That would basically kill off the console industry as far as I'm concerned, exclusives are usually only good for the publisher / console maker... everybody not wedded to them gets royally fucked..

 

[Here For The Free Feed]

Just a question to anyone who feels they want to answer. Do you often notice graphics anyway when you get immersed in a game. Like really immersed, not just enjoying the game but you actually feel you are there...?

nah, a good game is a good game regardless of what it looks/sounds/acts like, you shouldn't be stopping to smell the roses too often during a good game nahmean haha

 

[Jomjom]

Surprisingly balanced article from Leadbetter.

Don't worry the next three articles from him will either be:

a) Downplaying difference between 1080p and 720p

b) Entire article talking about how CPU increase is going to be amazing when it's finally realized in 2nd wave of games

c) Finding a way to break his own record of the number of times the word "balance" is used in an article

d) All of the above

 

[Bgamer90]

While this is true, it's a meaningless quibble because even you don't think the situation is the same this time. It's like somebody saying "I doubt the Seahawks will win by 200 points over the Raiders" and you responding "Well, don't forget about that old Georgia Tech game." It's a total non sequitur.

Everything obviously isn't the same but it shows that people CAN prefer a weaker console that's more expensive as long as it has enough compelling content/features.

That was my overall point.

Overall people care about different things and it's perfectly understandable why a good number are choosing the PS4 for certain multiplats (higher resolution).

 

[Bgamer90]

Assuming that Microsoft's eventual new management won't say "fuck the console business, we're out", I can only see two ways of trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat:

1. Kill the Xbox One fast, I mean like in four years, and release a new console like they did with the first Xbox.
2. Go all out on moneyhatting, buying up exclusives (timed or otherwise) left and right.

I think the second scenario is more likely, coupled with a huge marketing effort. The PS4 is the better system, no doubt about it, but the battle is still far from over.

Heh, let's hold our horses and see how things are in 2014/2015 before we jump to conclusions about them needing to cut support of the system a la Original Xbox.

 

[MutonCommander]

Heh, let's hold our horses and see how things are in 2014/2015 before we jump to conclusions about them needing to cut support of the system a la Original Xbox.

I agree, don't get me wrong. I'm just theorizing on possible MS reactions if console sales are not what they expect them to be. The race is far from over.

 

[viveks86]

Lower resolution is more natural, because the real world is full of jaggies.

Indeed!

 

[ConteZero76]

Minecraft feels more natural

 

[creyas]

Do you often notice graphics anyway when you get immersed in a game. Like really immersed, not just enjoying the game but you actually feel you are there...?

Haven't tried the Rift, don't know any well-stocked drug dealers to enable me to feel this on a TV. Better graphics and IQ wouldn't hurt chances though.

 

[mrklaw]

Assuming that Microsoft's eventual new management won't say "fuck the console business, we're out", I can only see two ways of trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat:

1. Kill the Xbox One fast, I mean like in four years, and release a new console like they did with the first Xbox.
2. Go all out on moneyhatting, buying up exclusives (timed or otherwise) left and right.

I think the second scenario is more likely, coupled with a huge marketing effort. The PS4 is the better system, no doubt about it, but the battle is still far from over.

if the xbox one is slow out of the blocks, then moneyhatting games will get very expensive, very quickly. Some publishers may even refuse due to the potential loss of audience for their IP (short term gain, long term pain)

 

[Scotch]

I can agree with the sharpness option. It makes detail in texture more visible in the xbone version at a standard viewing distance. That detail is still there in the PS4 version but looks washed out when not looking very close. So this might be a fight of people playing close to huge monitor or sitting at standard viewing distance from a TV. I know which group is the majority here on GAF and which is in the real world.

I think I like the lower res look a little better (playing Alan Wake PC on TV lately and set res to 720p as I preferred the look over 1080p, just feels more 'natural' to me).

I'm betting the thing that feels more natural to you is the increased framerate in 720p.

You like high sharpness but prefer 720p over 1080p? I'm just... Wow.

 

[brain_stew]

It does suck that the X1 is going to probably continue to have lower graphics than the PS4 but I am still going with the X1 just because of my own reasons, nothing against the PS4.

If I am playing on a PC monitor I can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p in an instant but on my Television not so much.

I am very much more excited that we are finally going 60fps which I think will be awesome.

Just a question to anyone who feels they want to answer. Do you often notice graphics anyway when you get immersed in a game. Like really immersed, not just enjoying the game but you actually feel you are there...?

I really don't think you understand the implications of this news. Not every game will choose 1080p on PS4 and 720p on Xbone as a way to compensate for Xbone's low end hardware. Going forward, some developers will instead choose to crucify effects work and crucially, frame rate. If consistent 60fps gameplay is important to you as you imply, then you're in for a bumpy ride with the Xbone.

 

[Rockondevil]

I really don't think you understand the implications of this news. Not every game will choose 1080p on PS4 and 720p on Xbone as a way to compensate for Xbone's low end hardware. Going forward, some developers will instead choose to crucify effects work and crucially, frame rate. If consistent 60fps gameplay is important to you as you imply, then you're in for a bumpy ride with the Xbone.

Time will tell mate and I agree there will be some ups and some downs. But surely everyone remembers the start of the PS3's life? Games weren't to crash hot, but they have vastly improved over time.
Does anyone not think this is the case for any other consoles?

I think at the start of the consoles life, sure there may be sacrifices but give it a bit of time and I would bet it'll be fine.

But hey, are either of us developers?

 

[brain_stew]

I agree, don't get me wrong. I'm just theorizing on possible MS reactions if console sales are not what they expect them to be. The race is far from over.

I think you're missing the point. Low end hardware at high end prices and crappy multiplatform performance is Microsoft's strategy. They chose this path and believe it is what will make them most profitable on the upcoming generation. A 720p console isn't a surprise or a new revelation, or its what they planned from day one. They can't lost the graphics race because they never entered.

 

[Liabe Brave]

Everything obviously isn't the same but it shows that people CAN prefer a weaker console that's more expensive as long as it has enough compelling content/features.

That was my overall point.

Sure, but there's a huge difference between saying "it's not literally impossible" and "it's plausible". Your actual point seems to be merely the (almost pointless) former one, though you treat it as if it was the much stronger and more interesting latter.

I mean, your example is a situation that was utterly, completely different from the current one. Let this sink in: the day the Gamecube first went on sale, PS2 had already sold (very nearly) more than the 'Cube ever would. Nintendo had lost the race before they even started running. One versus PS4 is nothing like this.

 

[Perkel]

Lower resolution is more natural, because the real world is full of jaggies.

No,
because it is more balanced.

real life doesn't have jaggies. Games need to have jaggies to keep balance.
ying and yang and shit.

 

[spwolf]

Time will tell mate and I agree there will be some ups and some downs. But surely everyone remembers the start of the PS3's life? Games weren't to crash hot, but they have vastly improved over time.
Does anyone not think this is the case for any other consoles?

I think at the start of the consoles life, sure there may be sacrifices but give it a bit of time and I would bet it'll be fine.

But hey, are either of us developers?

i dont see how can it be any different in the future, XB1 and PS4 are very similar, except that PS4 is a lot more powerful and is easier to work with.

PS3 was actually more powerful but harder to work with which is what caused problems (harder to work with part).

PS4 is more powerful, easier to work with and costs $100 less.

It is a Win, Win, Win situation.

 

[Pug]

if the xbox one is slow out of the blocks, then moneyhatting games will get very expensive, very quickly. Some publishers may even refuse due to the potential loss of audience for their IP (short term gain, long term pain)

This, if MS is struggling to shift boxes, publishers will having them bending over and taking it big time if they want exclusivity. I just don't think MS will go down route.

 

[Putty]

Still baffling reading pages and pages of this stuff. There is just no contest in what 1080p has over 720p, technical or other. It's just mind boggling MS supporters saying they can't tell the difference, or prefer the 720p image. All hope for mankind is lost.

 

[brain_stew]

Time will tell mate and I agree there will be some ups and some downs. But surely everyone remembers the start of the PS3's life? Games weren't to crash hot, but they have vastly improved over time.
Does anyone not think this is the case for any other consoles?

I think at the start of the consoles life, sure there may be sacrifices but give it a bit of time and I would bet it'll be fine.

But hey, are either of us developers?

Anyone that even begins to compare this scenario to the PS3 hardware has absolutely no bearing on the situation at all. The performeance deficit is here at launch and is going to remain throughout the entire generation. There's no saving grace, Xbone is just weaker hardware, plain and simple. It's not the difference in the two individual games demonstrated so far that matters, it's the fact that, just like the paper specs implied, there is a significant and real performance delta between both consoles that is far in excess of anything demonstrated at any point last generation.

Anyone buying an Xbone needs to make peace with the fact that every single multiplatform game released in the entire generation will have significantly better graphics and/or performance on PS4. There will be no exceptions. The gap may be smaller in some cases and larger in others but it will always be there. The situation has just as much chance to get worse as it does to get better.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Well done Richard Leadbetter for writing a mostly fair and balanced article, at last.

If only he did this all the time, I'd be on his side. This certainly makes a change from those MS PR pieces over the last couple of months.

 

[thepotatoman]

Assuming that Microsoft's eventual new management won't say "fuck the console business, we're out", I can only see two ways of trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat:

1. Kill the Xbox One fast, I mean like in four years, and release a new console like they did with the first Xbox.
2. Go all out on moneyhatting, buying up exclusives (timed or otherwise) left and right.

I think the second scenario is more likely, coupled with a huge marketing effort. The PS4 is the better system, no doubt about it, but the battle is still far from over.

Slow down there. Let's wait until we get some sales numbers, preferably after Titanfall and price drops happen. Only if sales still suck after that can we start talking early death.

Even if it starts out slow I think XBO is in a far more salvageable position than the Wii U if only because it has third party support. If better tools halves the resolution gap, and they drop kinect to drop price, they might be totally able to at least grab back first place in NA.

 

[Maximilian E.]

Well.. there are situations when 720p is better..

For example (and this strictly ps4 vs xbox one)... I prefer to play titanfall at 720p than.. not play titanfall at all?

(am i doing this PR-angle right?)

Seriously, yeah, the hw gap is there, and it is stupid to deny it.. MS decided like that with the hw decisions they made.

Now, if this is a decision that puts MS into a corner, then they have to find a way out of that.. there are solutions for this but it costs money, will MS be willing to use cash to fight their way to the top? We will see..

But the HW difference is there and MS have somehow painted themselves into that corner.. it will be interesting to see how they leave the corner.. and how expensive that will be and how the market will change based on their actions..

 

[brain_stew]

This, if MS is struggling to shift boxes, publishers will having them bending over and taking it big time if they want exclusivity. I just don't think MS will go down route.

I don't know why so many imply that the Xbox division has an endless money pit. If that was the case they wouldn't be forced to sell low end hardware at $500. This situation is entirely of Microsoft's own creation. It would have been incredibly simple to design a console that leaves the PS4 in the dirt considering we have off the shelf hardware with 2-3x performance is available to consumers today. They instead chose profitability and Kinect over gaming performance.

 

[DBT85]

Even if it starts out slow I think XBO is in a far more salvageable position than the Wii U if only because it has third party support. If better tools halves the resolution gap, and they drop kinect to drop price, they might be totally able to at least grab back first place in NA.

Absolutely agree.

Drop kinect, drop the price to at least match if not beat the PS4, and they do well, at least in the US and potentially the UK. It's all going to depend on how long they keep Kinect in the box, and how much of a lead the PS4 has by the time they pull it.

 

[MutonCommander]

Slow down there. Let's wait until we get some sales numbers, preferably after Titanfall and price drops happen. Only if sales still suck after that can we start talking early death.

Even if it starts out slow I think XBO is in a far more salvageable position than the Wii U if only because it has third party support. If better tools halves the resolution gap, and they drop kinect to drop price, they might be totally able to at least grab back first place in NA.

Yeah, I agree with that.

 

[rvy]

Surprisingly balanced article from Leadbetter.

Gotta save some face after this past week.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Absolutely agree.

Drop kinect, drop the price to at least match if not beat the PS4, and they do well, at least in the US and potentially the UK. It's all going to depend on how long they keep Kinect in the box, and how much of a lead the PS4 has by the time they pull it.

The only problem is 1st party games. Major Nelson has already said that MS don't believe that having 1st party titles is the be all and end all so that's a clear indication they haven't got that many.

Selling a console at a loss is fine when you have 1st party titles to take up the slack, but if you are losing money on the console AND losing money by money hatting 3rd parties, it's not an attractive proposition to run passed your investors.

This time they're up against a cheaper more powerful console that launches first in America and only 1 week behind in Europe. Not only that but they're up against a company that are investing more and more in 1st party games, have a steady income from PS+ subscriptions, AND they're up against a company who have content distribution through Gaikai to a potential audience of millions and millions of users though TVs, Laptops, Phones, Pads ...

 

[Raide]

It does suck that the X1 is going to probably continue to have lower graphics than the PS4 but I am still going with the X1 just because of my own reasons, nothing against the PS4.

If I am playing on a PC monitor I can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p in an instant but on my Television not so much.

I am very much more excited that we are finally going 60fps which I think will be awesome.

Just a question to anyone who feels they want to answer. Do you often notice graphics anyway when you get immersed in a game. Like really immersed, not just enjoying the game but you actually feel you are there...?

Agreed.

As for your question, I tend to not notice when I am really immersed but I still notice graphical issues and it can pull me out a little.

 

[Maximilian E.]

I don't know why so many imply that the Xbox division has an endless money pit. If that was the case they wouldn't be forced to sell low end hardware at $500. This situation is entirely of Microsoft's own creation. It would have been incredibly simple to design a console that leaves the PS4 in the dirt considering we have off the shelf hardware with 2-3x performance available to consumers today. They instead chose profitability and Kinect over gaming performance.

However, we don´t really know yet if Kinect will make a difference this time around, being something that comes with all boxes. It is difficult to make a standard with an add on..

The previous kinect does not have the best track record and MS themselves are not showing of Kinect2 in the best of ways BUT.. this time around, there are more possibilities for it to make a changing impact.

1. It comes with every box = Standard equipment devs can count on.
2. Xbox One is a dev tool, meaning that indies don´t need to shell out big bucks to be creative. The possibilities of indies with Kinect2 is interesting and we dont know yet what can happen there, the next Minecraft perhaps?

These are the biggest factors that gives Kinect2 a proper chance of making the impact that MS perhaps envisioned. It´s still early but we will see how this develops.

Regarding MS, Xbox and money. The Xbox division does not have endless money, MS "have", true. But the argument is now, if Xbox is an important part for the consumer push, then money will be thrown in order to make it competitive and even market leader...

and, MS is doing a consumer push now..

Yeah, so my argument here are with lots of IFs and possibilities but these are things that cannot be neglected either. It´s easy to say that more powerful hardware will win but history has shown that that is not always the case and that there are ways to make an impact, even with less powerful hardware. The battle is far from over, there are far too many unknowns to decide a winner yet..

 

[Maximilian E.]

Ok, is there a way to end the drop kinect comment?
That will NOT happen. They designed a machine around that, taking that away removes a potential "ace in the sleeve".

Because MS have painted themselves into a corner, they should take the hit and figure out a way to lower the price of the machine.

Either lower the price and call it a day with that financial hit or do the cell-phone angle.
lower to 199-299 for a 2-3 year plan with XboxLive sub.
MS wants more paying costumers for their Live service and this is something that perhaps has to be considered more thorough..

But lowering the price without removing kinect IS the way to go. Kinect should stay.. that is their "dark horse" that can either crush or save Xbox One..

 

[Piggus]

Just a question to anyone who feels they want to answer. Do you often notice graphics anyway when you get immersed in a game. Like really immersed, not just enjoying the game but you actually feel you are there...?

I've only felt that way three times.

1. A certain cutscene in MGS4 where I was so enthrawled that I had to shake my head and remind myself that was playing a game.

2. Certain parts of Skyrim and Oblivion

3. Using my Oculus Rift for the first time. Weirdest sensation ever.

 

[sun-drop]

funny to see some sites try and dismiss the issue.

720p vs 1080p ...... is it that hard for game jurno's to extrapolate this out ... the main point is the power advantage ps4 has.

what extra stuff could a PS4 version do if they dropped i down to the xbone rez? more effects? more polys? higher frame rate?

and for $100 less.


do these guys not get it?

 

[Duxxy3]

Ok, is there a way to end the drop kinect comment?
That will NOT happen. They designed a machine around that, taking that away removes a potential "ace in the sleeve".

Because MS have painted themselves into a corner, they should take the hit and figure out a way to lower the price of the machine.

Either lower the price and call it a day with that financial hit or do the cell-phone angle.
lower to 199-299 for a 2-3 year plan with XboxLive sub.
MS wants more paying costumers for their Live service and this is something that perhaps has to be considered more thorough..

But lowering the price without removing kinect IS the way to go. Kinect should stay.. that is their "dark horse" that can either crush or save Xbox One..

As long as kinect is in the box it will remain $100 more than a PS4. Microsoft isn't interested in taking a huge loss. So it's either drop kinect or that price advantage falls heavily in favor of sony.

 

[quetz67]

You're trying hard to hide your bias...I do commend you for that...

My bias? For Xbone? Sorry, but I am going PS4 only. But would I be such a resolution whore I would be a PC gamer.

Bias against elite GAF? Probably!

Discussion is futile anyway. Yeah, some people will see a difference, but the overwhelming majority (including me) won't or don't care. If it wasn't so xbone would be DOA - not that I wouldn't love that, but it won't happen.

So discuss on, but as long as a discussion about graphics quality is purely based on resolution (which it is in most of the topics), it is just pointless.

 

[spwolf]

Anyone that even begins to compare this scenario to the PS3 hardware has absolutely no bearing on the situation at all. The performeance deficit is here at launch and is going to remain throughout the entire generation. There's no saving grace, Xbone is just weaker hardware, plain and simple. It's not the difference in the two individual games demonstrated so far that matters, it's the fact that, just like the paper specs implied, there is a significant and real performance delta between both consoles that is far in excess of anything demonstrated at any point last generation.

Anyone buying an Xbone needs to make peace with the fact that every single multiplatform game released in the entire generation will have significantly better graphics and/or performance on PS4. There will be no exceptions. The gap may be smaller in some cases and larger in others but it will always be there. The situation has just as much chance to get worse as it does to get better.

This is because media is not explaining to them that the difference is not 720p vs 1080p, but rather 125%.

 

[Snubbers]

Arthur Gies was the only person there that claimed that there was little to no difference. Everyone else said that there was a big difference between the two versions. Jack Frags in his impressions video noted that multiple journalists agreed with him about the PS4's multiplayer looking better than the Xbox One's single player. And CV&G posted this in their review comments for BF4



http://www.computerandvideogames.co...a-slick-introduction-to-next-gen-multiplayer/

Jack frags said on his video that the differences where noticeable, but later said that the differences where small enough to not warrant choosing one console over the other, so if you actually listen to what the journos are saying in context, their narrative seemed to be that the differences where obvious to spot, but the overall impact on the game wasn't so huge..

Of course I'm sure most of us will get the PS4 version just add it is better, and MS have to live with the hardware power difference, but let's not pretend that the gap is so large weer end up with one being unplayable or unenjoyable.

 

[madmackem]

Everything obviously isn't the same but it shows that people CAN prefer a weaker console that's more expensive as long as it has enough compelling content/features.

That was my overall point.

Overall people care about different things and it's perfectly understandable why a good number are choosing the PS4 for certain multiplats (higher resolution).

No the weaker console was out a year before so people bought it, its doesnt have anything at all to do with what is going on now, ps2 was cheaper than the xbox as well at least in the uk as ms fucked up the pricing something rotten at launch.You just cant compare the two situations at all as they have very very little in common.

 

[quarkist]

Delivering racing games at 1080p is not a big deal. Gran turismo 5, 6 did it for ps3 at 1080p@60fps. Don't get why people talk Forza is doing 1080p for XBone????

 

[Feorax]

Jack frags said on his video that the differences where noticeable, but later said that the differences where small enough to not warrant choosing one console over the other, so if you actually listen to what the journos are saying in context, their narrative seemed to be that the differences where obvious to spot, but the overall impact on the game wasn't so huge..

Of course I'm sure most of us will get the PS4 version just add it is better, and MS have to live with the hardware power difference, but let's not pretend that the gap is so large weer end up with one being unplayable or unenjoyable.

I agree, but to be honest, I'm not convinced that the outcry is because people are claiming one version is unplayable. I think there are two issues that are winding people up.

1. Xbox buyers are being asked to pay $100 premium to play inferior versions of multiplats. This is why the PS3 took so much criticism early on in the last generation.

2. There are numerous members of the games press saying "no-one will even notice", which simply isn't true. People did notice last gen, and they will notice this gen. When you couple this with how the games press bent over when it came to MS' DRM tactics, you can understand why people are getting sick of the apologists.

 

[DBT85]

Jack frags said on his video that the differences where noticeable, but later said that the differences where small enough to not warrant choosing one console over the other, so if you actually listen to what the journos are saying in context, their narrative seemed to be that the differences where obvious to spot, but the overall impact on the game wasn't so huge..

Of course I'm sure most of us will get the PS4 version just add it is better, and MS have to live with the hardware power difference, but let's not pretend that the gap is so large weer end up with one being unplayable or unenjoyable.

Jack Frags also said he and other people at the event thought that the PS4 MP looked better than the Xbone SP. That is something of note, as it doesn't exactly bode well for the Xbone MP.

Delivering racing games at 1080p is not a big deal. Gran turismo 5, 6 did it for ps3 at 1080p@60fps. Don't get why people talk Forza is doing 1080p for XBone????

GT5 was 1280x1080 and then scaled horizontally. Not full native 1920x1080.

I think GT6 was 1440x1080 in the demo.

 

[R1CHO]

First the feel of 60 frames and now the feel of 1080p.

Let's just close our eyes and play audio games instead.

 

[twobear]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall of MS HQ right now, trying to think of a way to spin all this, and the upcoming issues, positively.

In the meantime, Adam Boyes (@amboyes) picks the winner in their offices Halloween costume contest:

They've brought it on their own heads frankly by insisting again and again that their console was as powerful. If they hadn't constantly invited comparisons by obfuscating and lying about the issue it wouldn't be nearly as big an issue now.

 

[FranXico]

Delivering racing games at 1080p is not a big deal. Gran turismo 5, 6 did it for ps3 at 1080p@60fps. Don't get why people talk Forza is doing 1080p for XBone????

Because they desperately need something remarkable to point at in the XBone launch lineup.

For all we know, Forza 5 was originally planned to release on the Xbox 360 last year, but they ported the engine and added more high rez assets just in time for E3.

 

[Yoday]

Ok, is there a way to end the drop kinect comment?
That will NOT happen. They designed a machine around that, taking that away removes a potential "ace in the sleeve".

Because MS have painted themselves into a corner, they should take the hit and figure out a way to lower the price of the machine.

Either lower the price and call it a day with that financial hit or do the cell-phone angle.
lower to 199-299 for a 2-3 year plan with XboxLive sub.
MS wants more paying costumers for their Live service and this is something that perhaps has to be considered more thorough..

But lowering the price without removing kinect IS the way to go. Kinect should stay.. that is their "dark horse" that can either crush or save Xbox One..

It kind of depends on who is ultimately calling the shots. If it is the Xbox division in control of what happens with the Kinect then they are going to drop it if they think it will boost sales, and save their division from being completely cut. However, if it is the suits at the top who get to make the decision, then it could be that they are more interested in getting Kinect into peoples homes than the Xbox itself. If that is the case then they would kill off the entire division before removing Kinect.

So ultimately it depends on what is more important to MS as a whole, Xbox or Kinect.

 

[wapplew]

Delivering racing games at 1080p is not a big deal. Gran turismo 5, 6 did it for ps3 at 1080p@60fps. Don't get why people talk Forza is doing 1080p for XBone????

Because Forza prove Xbone is able to do 1080p@60, with DriveClub only 1080p@30
And recent Ryse trailer show sign of Xbone is indeed capable of fancy tech graphic@900p
(Whether is gameplay or cut scene we shall see when the game come out)
Fans get to believe Xbone is actually stronger.

Let them dream

 

[Raide]

Because Forza prove Xbone is able to do 1080p@60, with DriveClub only 1080p@30
Fans get to believe Xbone is actually stronger.

Let them dream

Well, its not stronger in terms of pure numbers but its certainly not as weak as some people would like to make out.

 

[Jezbollah]

When I went to see the Xbox One in a Game lock-in event a couple of weeks ago, the MS rep who briefed us emphasised that Kinect was ONLY required during the initial activation and software update of the console, and not needed to be plugged in after.

To me that means that the initial concept of Kinect was a mandatory part of the Xbox One platform, but that has since changed.

I think MS COULD release an Xbox One without Kinect, but the moment they do, any past investment and commitment to Kinect ends. I think there is big pushback inside MS to that scenario.

 

[Maximilian E.]

Dropping kinect would be the worst worst decision MS could do to XboxOne.

With Kinect2, MS has a differentiator, something that can go both ways but at least it gives a possibility of "greatness" so to say.

Removing Kinect2 would make XboxOne just another machine with lower specs than the competitor with a potential cheaper price.

No, worst mistake ever if MS removes Kinect2.
MS has been a follower far to long, with Kinect2, at least they are leading that route.... NOW, if that route leads to their demise.. or to el dorado, that will be the interesting part of the journey

 

[aeroslash]

Yesterday i had my first experience with the Xbone and the aliasing was all other the place. I played, Forza, Ryse and Killer Instinct.