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Wii U US November Sales Estimated at 149K by Pachter
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What I have been seeing is people expecting things like 1m which would be near unprecedented, having only been reached by consoles either on launch or at the massive prime as seen with Wii and Xbox 360. 400-600k is a safe, conservative estimation and would show the Wii U has a chance of a turnaround.
I don't think the Wii U has any chance of turnaround anymore, and I don't even need these numbers at all.
Mikey Jr.
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Not sure how C is possible. Wouldn't that destroy the confidence of their fans? Not saying they have a lot right now, but to sell a $350 system, then after 3 years on the market, just say "Ok, fuck that old system, here is the NEW hotness. Buy this one instead!"
Or do they just not replace it at all?
As opposed to not getting it at all?
titusandronicus
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Feels strange owning and playing a 'dead' console. Feels kinda punk.
Mauricio_Magus
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Nintendo will keep the console alive, there's some serious exaggeration in this thread.
KillerMan91
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Don't know how that has anything to do with current state and outlook for both companies. Sony is heading towards rising revenues and profits with PS4 and Nintendo is heading towards declining revenues as 3DS alone is unable patch huge hole left by death of their home console business. When it comes to video game market Sony is currently in better position than Nintendo.
Didn't own a dreamcast did ya?
According to aquamarine, Pachter did estimate 150k.
I am increasingly believing that is the case, but I was saying that such numbers (if they were true) must be bad enough to convince even the most hardened Nintendo fan that there is no hope for Wii U. That's tipping point type numbers. I don't think it's possible to articulate just how bad such numbers would be, there'd be no way to exaggerate the catastrophe from a sales standpoint.
geek_box12
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For a frame of reference, last year the 360 sold one million units on black Friday alone. An at the time the console was 7 years old. This is very disheartening for Wii U owners and Nintendo.
Tidesofblood
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Nintendo has to acknowledge that the Wii U is a failure in it's current state.
Iwata needs to be let go, the torch needs to be passed on to someone with bright ideas.
Compelling software is coming but is that enough to drive the platform?
Iwata needs to be let go, the torch needs to be passed on to someone with bright ideas.
Compelling software is coming but is that enough to drive the platform?
Thank you for sharing that. I have been paying more attention to the Wii U numbers, but that really puts things into perspective. My question now would be: if the Wii is beyond dead at 35k a month, then what the hell is the Wii U at 50k a month?
No one answer that please.
Aquamarine
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I agree that 400K-600K would be optimal for Wii U to show a glimmer of recovery (<300K would really be quite horrible), but I don't think that represents a conservative estimation for November 2013 Wii U NPD sales given its unique situation.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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I don't know what to say. I'm sitting here typing this watching my gf play Mario 3D World and it's glorious.
Enjoy the moment.
Was debating getting a Wii U for my GF, but a 3DS seems like a surefire bet.
SwiftDeath
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Eh I doubt it'll be that low
But could see around 225-250k which is still shockingly terrible but sub-200K for November would be pretty damn god awful
But could see around 225-250k which is still shockingly terrible but sub-200K for November would be pretty damn god awful
Rodney McKay
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Again I think this is overstating things a little and it's ignoring the possibility that Nintendo wouldn't be required to make games on multiple systems. I'm sure Microsoft and Sony would both pay a fortune to have Nintendo exclusive to their own consoles.
I'm not saying I think Nintendo will ever do this, but I don't feel like it's as logistically impossible as some people seem to think.
Steve Youngblood
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I'm not saying it's likely. Honestly, if they can't get this thing on course here soon, there really is no good option. That's why I'm hesitant to make any suggestions. I'm certainly not in the hotseat calling the shots. I guess if I had to make a guess, I'd assume that they'd continue on with the Wii U with support that consists of the titles we already know of (i.e. we'll at least get through Zelda U), and that they'd start working on the next platform to unveil at E3 2015. That is, of course, assuming that the U is beyond salvage. I'm pretty pessimistic of its chances, but I'm not writing its obituary just yet.
Pancakes R Us
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Plus, even the PS3 didn't sell this shit in its early doomed days post PS2. Wii U is totally dead and has been for ages. It's the power of the crazy-super-hardcore Nintendo fans on message boards like this and places like Nintendo Life that think the system may still survive. It won't, and this time around, Nintendo deserves it IMO.
Heck even the Zune existed for years so why not I guess.
I still use my Zune
Only problem with B is games will dry up. Just can't see them spending big budgets for future WiiU games if it's not going to make money. Personally I think whatever comes after WiiU will have similar hardware (the guts) but the look and feel will be very different. It will hopefully be the greatest repackaging of all time.
unless you consider the Wii to be the greatest GC repackaging of all time..
Mihael Mello Keehl
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When the games planned get cancelled for the system now that is when it is dead.
It's my Monster Hunter box, which has given me more than enough hours to justify purchasing it.
I've also owned a Saturn which gave me the Panzer Dragoon trilogy and the Dreamcast which gave me Skies of Arcadia, so I have yet to find a home console that I've regretted. No matter how bad the sales wind up, there's always some games that I'm glad to have experienced when they were new.
titusandronicus
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Nah, was PS2 and GC that gen.
Except they really aren't. Sony was making a loss on PS3, and they are going to continue to make a loss on PS4. PSVita is performing as poorly as Wii U. There's the difference. Nintendo's strong market is actually profitable.
We've yet to see 2DS sales, which will undoubtedly catapult their already strong market even further, let alone the holiday Pokemon sales.
Boy you just threw down a gauntlet.
geek_box12
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Hah I got my dreamcast in 2000. told my mom it was tanking an we jumped ship over Xmas 2001.
Just removing Iwata wouldn't do a damned thing. That would essentially be scapegoating. It's not "just" Iwata's fault, it's all of the higher ups.
For them to be able to do what people here think would happen by firing Iwata, they would essentially have to clear house and that would be far more detrimental.
Conservative was perhaps a poor choice of words. I'm just attempting to be realistic with a slither of optimism since I do love Nintendo and a big part of my life is actually contingent on their success. Sometimes it makes me come off badly to people, but alas.
The real issue is that while Nintendo dragged it's feet on offering certain features the other had earlier, it seems that when they decided they were going to do it, they started development too late. So, the features come out barely working, flawed and not on parity with the competition. It'd be fine if they waited for HD and then went "BAM" out the gate. It'd be fine if they were slow on their eShop and then "BAM" titles left right and centre, single accounts not tied to machines etc etc. But no, they wait, wait, wait, resist, wait some more then go "Ok, let's do something but make sure you do the least possible and keep control as much as you can. Do NOT give consumers what they've been asking for, give them what we think they should have."
Its not unusual to replace CEO's when a business is in flames.
Aquamarine
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That's perfectly understandable. I have personal connections to Nintendo, so their success / failure is quite important for me as well...while I'm a bitter realist online, I tend to get quite sentimental about them behind the scenes.
Ninja Scooter
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RIP Wii U. See you at the crossroads. I miss my uncles Charles, y'all.
Even if these numbers are off by 150% percent, those would still be bad numbers for the Wii U. This thing is just dead.
Pancakes R Us
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Yep. I don't think people need to be fired, but the company just needs some new blood in there to take control of the ship. Stop trying the same old fucking tried and tested things over and over again. Another NSMB will do jack all for your system bar sell to the crazy Nintendo crowd that is absolutely tiny these days. The Iwatas, Miyamotos and other stuck-in-the-mud senior people that are basically the gatekeepers of all game output at Nintendo need to either accept new ideas and move with the times or let people step in and try things they haven't done or done much of before.
ab.aeterno
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Lest we forget: the WiiU is cheaper, has more games, had games from huge classic IPs that are traditionally seen as system sellers, and had sales and bundles available while the Xbone and PS4 were supply constrained during the month.
If it does this badly, with more marketing and a high profile release, it's a bleak outlook. I personally expect <350k (to put money where my mouth is and poor out a prediction.)
You're right; expecting 1mil+ is extraordinarily high and unrealistic, but if it can't beat 450k, it's only doing as well as the GameCube, which was cheaper.
If it does this badly, with more marketing and a high profile release, it's a bleak outlook. I personally expect <350k (to put money where my mouth is and poor out a prediction.)
I was speaking more to the "why can't people call disaster yet/when can they" questions.
You're right; expecting 1mil+ is extraordinarily high and unrealistic, but if it can't beat 450k, it's only doing as well as the GameCube, which was cheaper.
Nightstick11
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If this is even remotely correct, the Wii U is Nintendo's Saturn/Vita.
I'm just sayin' Log! If the number was 150k in November, what hope is left? That just would represent a catatonic level of interest for your product, that people are just over whatever you have to offer for it. I mean, we already had a New! Super Mario Bros. game and a damn good 3D Mario Bros. game, and a DLC New Luigi Bros game, and not a single one of them made even the slightest dent in Wii U's fortunes. I don't know what else Nintendo could pull out of their hat since Mario Kart and Smash Bros. aren't going to have better odds at changing things than NSMB.
In the west, sure. Though that doesn't suddenly fix things
I think Nintendo should have a new system planned for release in 2016, but I'm not sure whether they should reveal it more than a year off or not. I guess it depends on the state of the WiiU at that point. If the WiiU is completely out of the picture, then perhaps an early reveal would be better for keeping Nintendo in the public conscious.
Manmademan
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cliffhanger? lol. check the filename.
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