Said it in multiple threads but the WiiU has been dead for months. The only thing even keeping this system (or Nintendo for that matter) relevant is nostalgia and pure delusion.
I would still love to hear your response, JoeM86
That would be so catastrophic I think any thinking person would be forced to conclude the Wii u has no chance of being turned around. No price drop or Nintendo game can change such a course for the Wii U. That's just unprecedented for a major console.
I hope it's not true
Well, again, I'm no analyst. But my suspicion is that you either:
A.) Hold out and come up with a last ditch effort to salvage the system with Mario Kart.
B.) Follow Sony's playbook with the Vita and just have it continue to just exist with no real plan. Hopefully just selling the hardware will be profitable by this point, and they can make modest profits on the hardware/first party software.
C.) Throw in the towel and discontinue it.
I'd lean more towards B myself, but let's see how the holiday actually pans out.
Just kill it off already. I don't want to see good software bomb because of dumb hardware decisions.
Except Nintendo's operating loss comes after consecutive profit where as Sony's comes off of consecutive loss.
Feels strange owning and playing a 'dead' console. Feels kinda punk.
That estimate is egregious. I do find it interesting how Pachter made his estimate to be 149K instead of a rounded 150K as if he deliberately wanted to make a sub 150 estimate for headline purposes. Either way, if the Wii U did sell close to that projection, Nintendo needs a HUGE december for the console otherwise, the remaining few 3rd parties still developing retail titles for the system may scrape their projects. It seems that grim to me.
I don't think the Wii U has any chance of turnaround anymore, and I don't even need these numbers at all.
Well, last year was launch period, so the drop shouldn't be too surprising I think
nope. wii is beyond dead.
from last month's NPD:
Highly unlikely the wii outsells the wiiU, but both numbers are terrible.
Nintendo is totally irrelevant in the console space right now.
What I have been seeing is people expecting things like 1m which would be near unprecedented, having only been reached by consoles either on launch or at the massive prime as seen with Wii and Xbox 360. 400-600k is a safe, conservative estimation and would show the Wii U has a chance of a turnaround.
I don't know what to say. I'm sitting here typing this watching my gf play Mario 3D World and it's glorious.
It's because Nintendo intend for their games to run as close to perfect as possible. To do that on multiple consoles would require a considerable amount of further work which would delay games and severely increase the cost of the games to develop.
Not sure how C is possible. Wouldn't that destroy the confidence of their fans? Not saying they have a lot right now, but to sell a $350 system, then after 3 years on the market, just say "Ok, fuck that old system, here is the NEW hotness. Buy this one instead!"
Or do they just not replace it at all?
Plus, even the PS3 didn't sell this shit in its early doomed days post PS2. Wii U is totally dead and has been for ages. It's the power of the crazy-super-hardcore Nintendo fans on message boards like this and places like Nintendo Life that think the system may still survive. It won't, and this time around, Nintendo deserves it IMO.Don't know how that has anything to do with current state and outlook for both companies. Sony is heading towards rising revenues and profits with PS4 and Nintendo is heading towards declining revenues as 3DS alone is unable patch huge hole left by death of their home console business. When it comes to video game market Sony is currently in better position than Nintendo.
Well, again, I'm no analyst. But my suspicion is that you either:
A.) Hold out and come up with a last ditch effort to salvage the system with Mario Kart.
B.) Follow Sony's playbook with the Vita and just have it continue to just exist with no real plan. Hopefully just selling the hardware will be profitable by this point, and they can make modest profits on the hardware/first party software.
C.) Throw in the towel and discontinue it.
I'd lean more towards B myself, but let's see how the holiday actually pans out.
It's my Monster Hunter box, which has given me more than enough hours to justify purchasing it.I bought one, still not sure if it was a good decision. The thing is absurdly overpriced, and conceded to that when I bought the thing. Of course I have too much disposable income so that didn't stop me, but for others... ya...
Didn't own a dreamcast did ya?
Don't know how that has anything to do with current state and outlook for both companies. Sony is heading towards rising revenues and profits with PS4 and Nintendo is heading towards declining revenues as 3DS alone is unable patch huge hole left by death of their home console business. When it comes to video game market Sony is currently in better position than Nintendo.
I am increasingly believing that is the case, but I was saying that such numbers (if they were true) must be bad enough to convince even the most hardened Nintendo fan that there is no hope for Wii U..
Didn't own a dreamcast did ya?
Nintendo has to acknowledge that the Wii U is a failure in it's current state.
Iwata needs to be let go, the torch needs to be passed on to someone with bright ideas.
Compelling software is coming but is that enough to drive the platform?
I agree that 400K-600K would be optimal for Wii U to show a glimmer of recovery (<300K would really be quite horrible), but I don't think that represents a conservative estimation for November 2013 Wii U NPD sales given its unique situation.
I think NINTY really missed a huge opportunity to lock up it's userbase
Think about it for a second, how the others hold their bases
MS brought you Live, offered you a service that made your online experience be as smooth as possible, gave you features other didn't offer, made you prefer paying for the right to play MP
Now with X1, it's using it again to push it's service + console forward and taking it's base with it to the next one
Sony went free route, but then used PS+ as their trojan horse
They have locked you into annual subscription which on it face value feels like and is a goddamn fucking steal of the century
You have access to 3 platforms that give you free games on a monthly basis
You get cookie crumbed into giving in, cause slowly but surely, you see it's not a ruse
NINTY on the other hand friend codes, online eshop all over the place, not one dedicated account system setup to make it easier for their base to move around in their eco-system (it might change now, but it took till Nov 2013 for NINTY to merge everything...)
The region locking, retailer squabbles, games being held hostage, etc.
Seriously how many missteps does a company need to take before they go, why on earth do we keep tripping?
You can't keep buying new shoes to hide those broken ankles, need surgery to fix them fuckers ASAP
Just removing Iwata wouldn't do a damned thing. That would essentially be scapegoating. It's not "just" Iwata's fault, it's all of the higher ups.
For them to be able to do what people here think would happen by firing Iwata, they would essentially have to clear house and that would be far more detrimental.
Conservative was perhaps a poor choice of words. I'm just attempting to be realistic with a slither of optimism since I do love Nintendo and a big part of my life is actually contingent on their success. Sometimes it makes me come off badly to people, but alas.
Eh I doubt it'll be that low
But could see around 225-250k which is still shockingly terrible but sub-200K for November would be pretty damn god awful
Yep. I don't think people need to be fired, but the company just needs some new blood in there to take control of the ship. Stop trying the same old fucking tried and tested things over and over again. Another NSMB will do jack all for your system bar sell to the crazy Nintendo crowd that is absolutely tiny these days. The Iwatas, Miyamotos and other stuck-in-the-mud senior people that are basically the gatekeepers of all game output at Nintendo need to either accept new ideas and move with the times or let people step in and try things they haven't done or done much of before.Just removing Iwata wouldn't do a damned thing. That would essentially be scapegoating. It's not "just" Iwata's fault, it's all of the higher ups.
For them to be able to do what people here think would happen by firing Iwata, they would essentially have to clear house and that would be far more detrimental.
I was speaking more to the "why can't people call disaster yet/when can they" questions.What I have been seeing is people expecting things like 1m which would be near unprecedented, having only been reached by consoles either on launch or at the massive prime as seen with Wii and Xbox 360. 400-600k is a safe, conservative estimation and would show the Wii U has a chance of a turnaround.
Boy you just threw down a gauntlet.
Its not unusual to replace CEO's when a business is in flames.
I'm not saying it's likely. Honestly, if they can't get this thing on course here soon, there really is no good option. That's why I'm hesitant to make any suggestions. I'm certainly not in the hotseat calling the shots. I guess if I had to make a guess, I'd assume that they'd continue on with the Wii U with support that consists of the titles we already know of (i.e. we'll at least get through Zelda U), and that they'd start working on the next platform to unveil at E3 2015. That is, of course, assuming that the U is beyond salvage. I'm pretty pessimistic of its chances, but I'm not writing its obituary just yet.
I cried ;___;
Cliffhanger D: