SquiddyCracker
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Amazing.
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Pornography Is What The End of the World Looks Like - Chris Hedges
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Amazing.
He can be all of those things and still be anti porn because he's a minister.
Considering the "art" of pornography doesn't go very far beyond the video...these are really just like his own racist and otherwise prejudiced thoughts
This is his personal interpretation of porn and it says more about him and what he watched than anything lol
"Porn is bad because in it black women are lusty beasts, Asians are meek something"... Like dude you kind of filled in your own blanks there they were just people having sex
This is his personal interpretation of porn and it says more about him and what he watched than anything lol
"Porn is bad because in it black women are lusty beasts, Asians are meek something"... Like dude you kind of filled in your own blanks there they were just people having sex
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
This. The author poses the question why anti-porn articles never come to press, which in of itself seems dubious because I have seen plenty. No evidence why he thinks this is provided. Then he theorizes that his faulty premise about anti-porn media is due to said media being in bed with corporate interests. This point is never mentioned again except for occasional mention of the word "capitalism" without any elaboration on what it means in the context of his article. The inclusion of a 50 shades of gray picture at the top (which is hilarious considering how tame the movie actually is, even compared to the book) just solidifies the idea that the author stitched together a bunch of different half-baked thesis ideas and then slapped a few attention grabbing quotes in and called it a day.
Modern journalism in a nutshell.
Perhaps.
I'm going to assume that neither of you are actors. That's what people tend to forget about porn. These people get paid to act like they're having the best sex in the world. Their having sex for the camera, for the viewer. You two would be having sex and just happened to film it. I believe there's a difference.
jts
...hate me...
And I would respond by saying if he ever actually satisfied a woman. He sounds like a prude, and some girls can't just be satisfied by traditional means. Besides, I discover my kinks way before I found porn, and honestly, porn doesn't turn me on like it does for others.
It's an idiotic statement then(by him) if that's how he sees it. If you do dominant/submissive acts correctly then it's really the submissive one who's in control. It's not about smacking the submissive person around and making them feel lesser. In fact, it should make them feel extremely safe, secure, and open in your hands. The dom deals the pleasure and leads the sex but the actual pleasure is focused on things the sub likes and enjoys and trusts you enjoy to be open and vulnerable. It's as much about emotional connections and trust as it is spanking and whips. Tons of men enjoy being sub as well. It's not gender specific.
Shake Appeal
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This is my suspicion too, but we have a pretty flimsy understanding of sexual desire (and especially "transgressive" or unusual sexual desire), and sex research struggles for funding because society is fucked up about sex.
Pretty much this. Even if you disregard the more artsy stuff like X-Art/Babes/random massage porn, even the mainstream sites aren't that hardcore. Sure, there's some dirty talk, and it's clearly catered towards men, but it's nowhere near what this article is on about.
If this article isn't a load of shit, I don't know what is. There's too much quoteworthy stuff in there..
And the comments. Some of those damn comments. They may or may not actually be worse than the article itself, wow.
Lol - oh god.
And the comments. Some of those damn comments. They may or may not actually be worse than the article itself, wow.
Lol - oh god.
OricWindstar
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I think mainstream hollywood is worse about female body expectations than porn. At least you're getting different body types in porn and, hey, it's super hot to have a regular job like being a teacher!
Red Liquorice
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I kind of agree. Porn is a product, it has one goal - profit. Porn is not representative of human sexuality, or maybe it is and that's the problem?
TyrantGuardian
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I'm sure he would. Then I would ask him if he thinks people end up gay because they watch gay porn? I discovered my sexual kinks way before I saw any of them represented in porn of any kind, so I know for a fact that he would be wrong in at least a number of cases. Porn does, however, allow people to further explore their sexuality in situations where having real-life equivalence is not feasible for whatever reason. But, again, the article completely ignores all of this.
vas_a_morir
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Chicken or the egg. Do they trick boys into liking specific types of porn, or rather, are boys drawn to particular types of porn for whatever psychological reason? Which came first: the fetish or the porn, lol.
Anyway, I'd wager that most adult men like the same kind of porn they liked when they were 12. So maybe they are onto something. But, my generation was a bit different then today. Before tabs and cable modems, dammit, you had to make what you found work for you. Nowadays with tabs you are like "Wow, this is the greatest porn I've ever seen. It's as if they looked into my soul and captured the very essence of pure human sexuality. So, let's open a new tab and keep this one on the back burner." lol lol lol Marilyn Monroe-bot future.
Anyway, I'd wager that most adult men like the same kind of porn they liked when they were 12. So maybe they are onto something. But, my generation was a bit different then today. Before tabs and cable modems, dammit, you had to make what you found work for you. Nowadays with tabs you are like "Wow, this is the greatest porn I've ever seen. It's as if they looked into my soul and captured the very essence of pure human sexuality. So, let's open a new tab and keep this one on the back burner." lol lol lol Marilyn Monroe-bot future.
Valkerionseven
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I agree with the first few lines in the first quote about stereotypes and what not. It just strikes me as odd as I got more aware of it.
Orbis Tabula
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Churning and churning the hardening spire
The fapper cannot hear the fappening;
Things fall apart; the cumshot will not load;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The cum-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some erection is at hand;
Surely the Second Cumming is at hand.
The Second Cumming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of PornHub Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with female body and the body of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the incessant stroking hands.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of horny sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to watch porn?
The fapper cannot hear the fappening;
Things fall apart; the cumshot will not load;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The cum-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some erection is at hand;
Surely the Second Cumming is at hand.
The Second Cumming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of PornHub Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with female body and the body of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the incessant stroking hands.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of horny sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to watch porn?
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What would a person do with that info though? Take a statement like "being inherently submissive is a bad thing", the inherently implies the person can't really change it, but should they now feel bad because they are a certain way. Should they try to crush something inside them that turns them on because it's deemed bad. If it's brought on by identifiable influences should they deprogram themselves if they could? How much of their kinks factor into their core identity? Could you do something like that without damaging the person and what would be the benefit if all of this were possible? Seems like it would lead to a very totalitarian way of thought.
plasmawave
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The end of the world can't come any sooner.
It might if it had some porn around.
Shake Appeal
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You're preaching to the choir here. I have nothing but respect for the (responsible, normative) BDSM community, and a lot of my own sexual quirks run along a dominant axis. I understand and agree with all of what you said.
But the question remains about the extent to which dominant and submissive urges are "natural." And even if they are, should we embrace them? Are they good or useful for us? To what extent are they culturally and societally instilled? How do they interact with consumption of sexual materials, including hardcore pornography? To what extent do they reflect our propensity for violence or power structures? Would we still feel dominant and submissive urges if we grew up in a radically different culture that doesn't have the same gender and class constructions? And so on.
I have my own answers to all those questions. Some are more open-ended than others. But they're interesting questions without clear-cut answers.
perfectchaos007
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porn adapts to the desires and fantasies of human sexuality. It's why porn has to take it to the next level every 5 years or so because people can't become aroused by something they're accustomed and desensitized to. The intensity of someones sexual fantasies progress, and rarely regress.
The two don't have to be related at all. When he was ordained there wasn't a "you have to be down on porn" requirement. Becoming a minister was a choice dude made just as much as being a reporter and just as much as writing this article. "He's writing against abusive, exploitative porn because he's a minister" is begging the question.
echoshifting
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What does a woman sound like?
Funny you would say that about an author who obviously doesn't know the first thing about women. Sounds like a preacher!
Fenderputty
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What a load of garbage.
zer0blivion
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For a second there, I though you were quoting Lovage. Song NSFW.
Lovage - Sex (I`m A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9mrwpz-wOs
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I love that song/album. Book of the Month is probably my favorite track on it.
Has it though? Sure, if you look at the most extreme stuff out there they're always pushing boundaries I guess, but has the "median" porn flick really become more extreme in the last 5 years? I'd argue the opposite actually.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Right. And so there are a few different things to consider. I agree that there is a difference and I think that we as a society tend to forget to brush aside those differences. Porn is not real. With porn everything is considered: angles, position, lighting, colors, environment, pubic hair etc. All of these are tweaked to perfection to elicit the most response. Thus I think having watched porn and had sex, my own recording does not even come close to matching what I've seen for many reasons. This isn't necessarily a bad thing but I think it may have negative consequences in regards to body image for women (and men) and also negative effects on arousal. The article touches on that last point briefly and I think that is one of the parts that is actually worth discussing.
...Scatter...
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Are people desensitized though? I still get a hard on to basic shit. Hell it doesn't take much really. And I've seen some nasty shit. I honestly think people fall into their range naturally. Some people are just extra. Have been since the beginning of time.
Agreed. The text should be restored. Edits are there for minor corrections or expanding the point, not totally altering it. Not cool OP.
I think what would make this guy happy is porn with a message. Imagine a website where right after the cumshot the screen freezes and a fact scrolls down the screen:
"Are you gonna cum for me daddy?"
"Ehhhgrrrughhhh"
*screen freezes and text scrolls*
"On this day in 1923, in Thebes, Egypt, English archaeologist Howard Carter enters the sealed burial chamber of the ancient Egyptian ruler King Tutankhamen."
I think it's a fair middle ground. You get yourself off and you learn something.
"Are you gonna cum for me daddy?"
"Ehhhgrrrughhhh"
*screen freezes and text scrolls*
"On this day in 1923, in Thebes, Egypt, English archaeologist Howard Carter enters the sealed burial chamber of the ancient Egyptian ruler King Tutankhamen."
I think it's a fair middle ground. You get yourself off and you learn something.
Shake Appeal
Member
I'm not talking about some weird programmatic thing where we take people with kinks society has deemed damaging and teach them not to act on their destructive urges. That sounds absolutely horrendous. But there are genuine, fascinating questions about what our porn habits, and our sexual culture, do to reproduce themselves, and what they say about us more broadly as people. We can shape culture and values to some degree without shaming and punishing individuals. We've done it since the dawn of man.
All of this assumes that dominant and submissive urges are bad. I should lay my cards on that table and say I personally think they are normal and healthy, especially when explored between consenting partners in a way that is mutually gratifying. But I could be wrong. And they could still be a net negative for society. In which case, I would want society and activists to take steps to wean us off them.
As a hypothetical.
zer0blivion
Member
It is an amazing album. You can't go wrong with Mike Patton, Jennifer Charles, Kid Koala, and Dan Nakamura.
pants
Member
porn sounds like the borg or replicants.
Yeah, that's complete bullshit. Violent crime is down overall - rape among those crimes in decline.
Note that every one of his arguments is focused on straight porn - gay porn pretty much blows arguments like his out of the water because everyone involved is a willing participant of the same gender.
yankeeforever2
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Prostitution is one of the oldest professions.
Sex business will always bee evolving and alive, and peoples everyday life will not be affected.
Sex business will always bee evolving and alive, and peoples everyday life will not be affected.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
haha i think you chose the wrong canned response button, check those macro's.
Awesome.
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The Everyman
im wiling to bet that teenagers today treat women much better than the baby boomer generation did when they were teenagers.
we really need some stats in this discussion.
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Yeah, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I roughly got what you meant but was thinking of where those questions might lead when taken to extremes and in a scenario where there would be an authoritative source deeming them bad. It does bring up interesting questions and I also wish there would be more proper research instead of it being stifled out of moralistic concerns.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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LOL
First post proves the article correct. Article has issues with people correlating pornography with sex and I'll be damned if you don't go right ahead and do it.
Fenderputty
Banned
Vanilla porn hasn't changed at all.
With this logic, you can argue that reason women initiate divorce with their husbands is due to "problematic" romance novels and romantic movies that screw with their perceptions of what a man should be. Don Jon film, yadda yadda
This entire idea that entertainment creates people and not vice versa is unverifiable, poorly argued and often grasps at straws.
Chainsawkitten
Member
Or one of those slutty teacher porns where the "teacher" actually is a teacher and holds an hour long presentation on tax laws before the fucking.
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