I mean from a strictly practical perspective, you think a jury in St. Louis county (or anything else for that matter) is super likely to convict a white cop of murdering a black #NotAnAngel?
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Ex-St. Louis police officer Jason Stockley found not guilty of murder
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Dubbedinenglish
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If the judge's statement isn't a clear demonstration that the racists run the system, I don't know what is.
Man Called Aerodynamics
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St. Louisan. If blocking the highway is what will get people to actually pay attention to this issue, I'm not going to criticize anyone for doing it. That doesn't seem to be a very popular opinion around here though...
HellforLeather
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Was the bag containing the gun brought over by the other officer on the scene? I mean thats the only way that he could have not gone over to the car, yet had his DNA on the gun. Again, Im no DNA expert, but i would assume if you owned a gun and handled it once or twice, there would be trace amounts of your DNA on the gun. I have a friend that works for a forensic department that Im tempted to call and talk to about this.
RastaMentality
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Hope protestors in St. louis turn the fuck up. This whole situation is just devastating.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
sighhhhh
Finale Fireworker
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What can you even do at this point.
Violence Jack
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Because officers would rather protect the shield than protect the lives of the innocent and their cities.
VendettaRed07
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That statement. Holy shit.... I expected the outcome, but the fact that he said that still somehow managed to blow me away.
This stuck out to me too.
sturgboski
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Hope the protesters are safe as many terrorists, I mean Republicans, in government are trying to make it ok to run over protesters.
Fuck this judge.
Ambiguous, really? No relation to action that immediately followed it? Straight up BS.
After "plus he probably didn't mean it even though he said he was going to kill and did".
It's getting increasingly obvious that a revolution is needed because America is broken almost beyond repair.
ZiggyPalffyLA
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We need more Christopher Dorners
Impossible.
Absolutely. The system is broken and any attempts to correct it within the system's rules are foolish.
You mean COLD BLOODED MURDER?
sturgboski
Member
You and your family would be ruined. Either the other cops kill you on the spot or sometime later on. Harshest punishments are trotted out for anyone who does anything to a cop. If you can be arrested for bleeding on a cop after they beat you, trust me it's going to be terrible for you if you try.
Dubbedinenglish
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IIRC there have been cases where police conducted raids on wrong houses (which they didn't have a warrant for). I think there was one where a vet shot at the police entering his home, and was killed. Officers faced no consequence.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
It's not broken, it's working as intended.
ZiggyPalffyLA
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They'd kill you, defame your family, and ESPECIALLY shoot your dog. They love that.
maabus1999
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Curious if the DA's office appeals this verdict by the judge.
SolidSnakeUS
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I'm surprised that the test you have to take (if there is one) to become a cop doesn't ask, "Are you pumped to kill anyone and not get in trouble? Y/N."
I'd appeal to the ends of the earth about this shit.
I'd appeal to the ends of the earth about this shit.
Fenderputty
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I wonder how ambiguous the judge would feel if someone said they were going to kill him before popping shots off?
Morally justified in many cases to kill cops nowadays. Will never be legally justified obviously.
In self defense? Just wondering if the many cases revolve around that or..?
Lil'DigiOp
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You will die. I'm not kidding. Cops are trained to put down ANYTHING they perceive as a threat no questions. hence dead unarmed black men nationwide.
If you do survive, you will be hunted and you will be considered a fugitive.
If you decide to truly fight back... you really have to make the decision that your life was in immediate jeopardy, and you have to come with the realization that you may only be extending your life for a few minutes.
I don't think full video justifying your actions would even save you from the slander and libel nationwide especially after your family buries you.
Edit: let's not forgot the tons of blue lives hate crime legislation that just passed.
AVOID COPS, DON'T FIGHT THEM
Generally speaking, pulling a weapon on U.S. law enforcement is a very easy way to get yourself shot or killed. So much so that "suicide by cop" is a thing, unfortunately.
Also, U.S. law generally doesn't hold police accountable for deaths if they acted in self defense (i.e., you attack the police first) or perceived something as a direct threat to their life (one of the defense's major arguments in this trial - not to say it was valid at all in this situation).
If you are black, you will absolutely die. White, that's not a 100% guarantee.
Someone said South Carolina iirc the last time this was answered.
I guess they could appeal on "abuse of discretion" but I doubt it they pursue it.
Lil'DigiOp
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Would "abuse of discretion" apply to the judge as fact finder though?
It has been ages since I took crim law and procedure but I believe abuse of discretion over the evidence is grounds for appeal and a new trial.
Living the Dream
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So TIL that I can say "I am going to kill this motherfucker" and then shoot any policemen, politician, and President and it's A-OKAY.
WOW.
WOW.
You can't. There were a series of actions that occurred between when the statement was made and when the weapon was fired. I mean if you shouted that I am going to kill my wife and she is dead the next morning you better believe the prosecutor will use that against you to establish mens rea.