Robert at Zeboyd Games
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Yes, there's a retry battle option.
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Yes, there's a retry battle option.
Any battle?
Feel like most modern jrpgs allow you to retry bosses but you have to reload a save when you die against mobs.
Did lose a bit of progress in berseria lol.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Yes, the retry function works on all battles.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
It will be cross-buy, but the Vita version is coming out later.
Got it. Thanks. I'll buy it now and see if it plays well through remote play then.
Is there anything prerendered? I would have figured that scaling down the resolution would've already dropped the file size considerably.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
There's no scaling down - the default native resolution is 480 x 270. Nothing prerendered either. Lots of uncompressed 2D art & music.
Ah, I see. Guess it comes down to the artistic integrity of keeping that stuff uncompressed or if it's needed to be unpacked for access on the fly.
But what do I know? I'm not in game development; I just get to critique.
EVA UNIT 01
Member
Preordering now
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Robert, you might have answered this already, but will the Steam version have a 20% discount at launch, or is that only for the pre-order versions?
I know that the Humble Bundle version with a Steam key is 20% off, but I have $24 credit on my Steam account
Plan is for Steam version to have a 20% discount at launch.
That's great news. I really want this and also have steam credit hanging around. Will buy as soon as it's available on steam.
Pellegri Testament
Member
Ya....that basically kills any chance of it coming physically then lol. Not sure people would be too happy with getting a cartridge and then having to download almost 2gbs of data either, even though I know it's been done with some games and the patches that came later (Senran Kagura Estival Versus is an example that the West has gotten).
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Just be glad you have it on Vita at all, you damn cultists
Valkyrie Drive is another example of a big game on Vita that has to circumvent the 4GB limit for game cards for the physical release. The card uses compressed audio and you have the option to download a high-quality sound pack from the PSN store. Tough I obviously don't know if that would be at all possible or, perhaps more importantly, economically feasible for this game just for a potential physical release on Vita.
YianGaruga
Banned
Just be glad you have it on Vita at all, you damn cultists
At this point we don't even have that.
Well, hasn't a LRG release been confirmed for a while now?
I don't know how bad the audio is in vanilla Valkyrie Drive, but putting a high quality version of it on the store seems like a good idea. Or maybe releasing a game with the audio coming exclusively as a dlc/update is not even allowed by Sony, I don't know.
I don't know how bad the audio is in vanilla Valkyrie Drive, but putting a high quality version of it on the store seems like a good idea. Or maybe releasing a game with the audio coming exclusively as a dlc/update is not even allowed by Sony, I don't know.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Maybe I just imagined it, but I thought you could do 8GB Vita carts these days.
Pellegri Testament
Member
We know it's allowed since Square did it with World of Final Fantasy, then again that's Square. For this it would be an issue of just how much effort it would take to potentially split the game just for physical buyers and how much backlash there could potentially be from LRG customers if they had to download a large chunk of the game outside of the cart to even be able to play.
Nope, 4gb is the largest and even then the max amount of data that can be on the cart is 3.2gbs. Bandai Namco tried a "dual cart" approach with one of their recent games, but that ended up being a dud as the 2nd cart was a glorified install file which you were forced to download to even be able to play the game, which was all played using cart 1.
CEJames
Member
Cross buy?
Edit: Saw the answer. It is, which is awesome!
lol the ultimate temper tantrum.
Edit: Saw the answer. It is, which is awesome!
but, but, but......
lol the ultimate temper tantrum.
Native res is 480x270 on all platforms. Those same assets are being scaled up by integer for larger resolution screens. It's pixel art, not super HD 4K textures for consoles and low res textures for Vita, so I'm not really sure what you'd be "shrinking."
He said art & audio assets are uncompressed. It being a 2d game there's no reason for the game to be smaller on Vita. This is not an HD game where the PS4 game would have HD assets and Vita could do with lower quality ones.
You're right, I forgot about WoFF, I thought it was only for the jp dub.
I wonder what determines what can go into an update or not, it seems like something required for the game to work would make more sense as an update instead of a dlc (and iirc there's no fees for updates) so that's kinda weird.
You'd think that would be the case. I'm pretty sure Falcom was like "Hey, Sony, we kinda need them, we'll even manufacture them ourselves." and Sony said no.
Audio? I'm guessing that's what is mostly bloating the file size.
Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. I guess it could be compressed, but how much while maintaining quality, I don't know.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
No, the art assets are taking up more space than the audio. About a gig for all the location art, half a gig for the cutscenes, a few hundred for character & enemy sprites, etc. Anyway, we'll look into ways to try to reduce size when we finish up the Vita version. And if we still can't get it down to acceptable cart size, well, then at least we tried.
Yes, it'd have to be a patch for everyone to be able to get it.
YianGaruga
Banned
Uncompressed 2D assets are nice and all but I'm really curious about the technical details, how does a game like Chrono Trigger manage to squeeze itself into 3MB while CSH is 5GB (over 1500x the size) with apparently no way to make it smaller? The increase in resolution is only 2.26 (480*270 / 256*224) so that can't be it. I guess colour depth is another thing, but that still doesn't add up.
So the announced LRG release is in limbo at this point?
So the announced LRG release is in limbo at this point?
SolidChamp
Banned
Happy to give you guys my support by preordering on PSN.
Won't dig in until the Vita version is out, though.
Oh, wait...did you say cross-save or not?
Also, is your review code out in the wild for critics to dig into?
Won't dig in until the Vita version is out, though.
Oh, wait...did you say cross-save or not?
Also, is your review code out in the wild for critics to dig into?
Kresnik258
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CEJames
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SolidChamp
Banned
Much obliged.
Maybe I'll wait for the Vita version before I start playing, then. Preordered nonetheless!
Wonder if it's have to do with the unity engine? Also back in the day tons of tricks and shortcuts are needed to make games smaller which aren't needed these days for better or worse.
Anyways hopefully we won't be seeing 5 recolors of a goblin or something xD
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
I have no clue how SNES games were able to be so small although with Chrono Trigger, there's a lot of asset reuse with map & enemy assets. Our maps are setup more along the lines of Square's PS1 games like FF7 & Parasite Eve where each map is several large image files layered on top of each other.
Zippedpinhead
Member
I know cross save is up in the air, but is it cross-buy? Already preordered and you have my money. Just want to know...
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Yes, it's cross-buy.
Is the game fully 2d or 'top down 3d' like quite a few unity 2d games lol?
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
The game uses the 2DToolkit 3rd party add-on to handle the graphics & camera (we started work on the game before Unity had built-in 2D support). All of the assets are 2D; we don't use any 3D assets in the game.
Neat.
Is the KS codes still ETA this weekend? Would love to get some time into it as a break from persona.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Yeah, we're going to try to get codes out this weekend.
Just got an email from LRG and they said they've had a lot of success in reducing file size on Unity Vita games and they'd be happy to take a look at our game and see how much they can shrink things when we're ready. They're pretty confident they can get it within cart size.
Just got an email from LRG and they said they've had a lot of success in reducing file size on Unity Vita games and they'd be happy to take a look at our game and see how much they can shrink things when we're ready. They're pretty confident they can get it within cart size.
IbukiLordSA
Member
Just seeing this now, game looks great and comes with a 20% discount on PSN. Better be cause I see EU getting it a week late
Looks great though, will stick a review up at AWX Nexus when I've completed. Always have to try get the word out on these types of games.
Looks great though, will stick a review up at AWX Nexus when I've completed. Always have to try get the word out on these types of games.
Orakio Rob
Member
Robert, any plans to localize the game into other languages?