They can't charge you for online play like they can on Xbox, tho, so that's a big loss. Plus, I imagine if you buy a game on a different store (Steam/GOG etc) as opposed to W10 store, than they'd definitely care.
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2017 Microsoft E3 Conference [Over]
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Good luck with that.
Caipirinha
Member
There were two possible scenarios:
Scenario 1, Microsoft cared strongly about being a market leader in the console gaming space and wanted to hit back against Sony with a more powerful, competitively priced box featuring multiple big budget AAA exclusive first party games.
Scenario 2, Microsoft, under the leadership of Satya Nadella, in their process of steering the company away from the disastrous Devices push taken by his predecessor (of which the Xbox was a product of), agreed to give the Xbox division a relatively modest budget to make one final attempt to prove the Xbox is worthy of Redmond's time and if not, at least segway it's user base onto the PC.
For the last 2 years every sign has pointed towards scenario 2 but diehard Xbox fans who aren't really aware of the wider context of Microsoft as primarily an enterprise productivity software company insisted that E3 would prove scenario 1 to be true.
Well here we are, let this be the end of the debate. I can't even call this a failure or a bad conference, if I was in the position of the Xbox division heads with a limited amount of money to squeeze the remaining juice out of the brand I would probably just moneyhat a few timed exclusives and call it a day too. I don't really know what else people expected.
I thought the conference was really bad. Not MS bad but bad as in general.
This must be the worst conference I've ever seen actually.
Scorpio was my selling point. The rest is just so fucked up.
As an Xbox gamer first, it's an embarrassment.
But I guess they have things for next year. I remember Phill said they are not gonna show games early in development, So next year maybe.
This must be the worst conference I've ever seen actually.
Scorpio was my selling point. The rest is just so fucked up.
As an Xbox gamer first, it's an embarrassment.
But I guess they have things for next year. I remember Phill said they are not gonna show games early in development, So next year maybe.
Which is fucking stupid. I want to see games in development.
wapplew
Member
E3 is not be all and end all, plenty of time and opportunities for MS to make a case for Xbox one X again.
Gamescom is coming, they can tease what coming later half of 2018 with mind blowing Halo 6 trailer etc or they could host special hands on and showcase event.
They can also add games bundle or elite controller to sweeten the deal, they can do trade in program or even cut the price before launch.
If anything Phil Spencer good at, it's his quick reaction and execution.
Gamescom is coming, they can tease what coming later half of 2018 with mind blowing Halo 6 trailer etc or they could host special hands on and showcase event.
They can also add games bundle or elite controller to sweeten the deal, they can do trade in program or even cut the price before launch.
If anything Phil Spencer good at, it's his quick reaction and execution.
Yeah, to me it looked like MS game studios as a whole is as messed as 343.
LastChance2Frag
Neo Member
Just rewatched some of the trailers on YouTube. Pretty happy over all. Shame there was no killer surprise or new IP to go along with the launch of xbx. Sea of thieves looks like it's coming along. Don't understand why crackdown 3 got such little time but happy about the Black Desert announcement but that's 2018.
How is 343 a mess?
Yeah, SoT looked fucking fantastic!
You must have been living under a rock the past 10 years .
RichiRamjag
Member
Really not seeming that way on the games front.
You haven't answered the question. How is the studio a mess. Your evidence MCC?
Okami Haundo
Member
Even though I was bummed about the pricing on Xbox One X, the rest of the conference was great to me. They had an awesome variety of games and that was honestly the most important thing to me. I get why people expecting some AAA exclusive bombshells were disappointed, but that's not why I play stuff on Xbox.
The real reason is that I get almost all of my games for free through Bing rewards.
Halo 4, MCC and halo 5.
The fact is that Halo has been in decline ever since 343 took over should give you a hint.
Halo 4 the messed up MP and the decline it saw a year later compared to 3 and Reach which had approximately 1 million active players a year later compared to Halo 4 which had 20k I think.
The MCC
The launch of Halo 5, the fucked up campaign and the constant problems with it and it's servers , also incredibly low in population.
That's just the some points.
If there is something Phil Spencer is good at above all else, its saying what people wanna hear.
Halo 4 still sold huge numbers. Since XBO everything has been in decline (for xbox I mean). Probably more to do with that.
You must be joking. It's obvious Halo has been at a decline since 343 and their direction. The studio is clearly at a crossroads. No Halo announcement this year is a clear sign. The studio is pondering their future with the franchise. IMO I think it would be smart to let Halo 6 go. Let the franchise breathe. Create a new FPS IP. Then next generation, reboot Halo in the veins of Halo 1-3. Halo is just not going to do it for them this generation. The damage to the franchise has been done.
MarmiteBadger
Member
I agree, Ever since COD 4: Modern Warfare came out and took the number 1 spot on xbox live, Halo has never been the same since.
No man. Halo 5 makes huge money! Don't know where you are getting that and Halo I think always had a 3 year window.
Sells is not everything,
And the fact it sold so well and declined so much in just a year should be obvious and proof my point. It was a messed up game .
Reineldinho
Member
R&D isn't cheap (at all), and If anything Xbox One X probes that it's not a 'final attempt'. MS is making money (finally) with the xbox brand. Not being first doesn't mean is worthless.
About 1st party support: we've got several games to be released (all presumably) within the next year.
My two cents: based on the recent E3s looks like MS was serious about not revealing games too early. Now, everything which has been showcased will be released within a 1 - 2 years release window. So, we won't have Halo 6 nor GoW5 on holidays 2018 but 2019. With Forza 7, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2 and Sea of Thieves, Ori 2 already in the pipeline (all of them known or at least expected, case of Ori 2), which surprises has MS prepared for next year holiday season besides Forza Horizon 4? I guess will find out later down the line; so far next 12 month 1st party support looks great.
It looks anything but great and has been anything but great. They just dont have the capicity anymore - they gutted their studios( Sony has too which is deeply dissappointing but they still have at least 3 x the output capability as MS).
Sorry but 500$ console is not the answer for any of this. I still don't understand why they went in this direction. Even if there existing base of (26-30 mil) jumped ship it would still be the same people. I don't think this will inject an extra 30-40 mil users for microsoft to be market leader. I think it will do ok in US but I strongly feel it will not do good in Europe which has always been sony land.
Looking at SoD2 and Crackdown 3 it didn't look like the highlight for Xbox One X like it should have. They should've inject money/resources into these 2 games to make them be the big games they shouldve been. Oh well.
MisterR
Member
I honestly think they'd cancel Crackdown, if they hadn't already gotten so much shit from cancelling Fable and Scalebound. It's supposed to release this year and that's all that was shown of it?
MisterR
Member
That Sony got the marketing on Big Third party games etc doesnt mean shit. The Xbox One X IS THE best place to play the games on console. Microsoft had CoD for 2 years (Ghost and AW) and Microsoft had Fifa and Battlefield but nobody talked like this then? Everbody said it didnt matter because PS4 hade the best versions anyway. (Sorry for maybe bad english)
You're comparing apples and oranges. At the time the PS4 was cheaper and more capable and the sales leader. Yes, if you want to spend 500 bucks you can get the best version of 3rd party games on the One X, that's not at all the same thing as comparing base models.
MisterR
Member
It's definitely a pro consumer move for me, it means I don't have to rebuy an Xbox.
So whatever happened to that "little something" Halo that was supposed to be at E3? Anything Halo outside of the conference?
Only thing I remember is the mentioning of a 4K update for Halo Wars 2 but that hardly seemed worth mentioning.
Only thing I remember is the mentioning of a 4K update for Halo Wars 2 but that hardly seemed worth mentioning.
Maximus P
Member
It wasn't all bad for me-
Pros:
Metro looked incredible
As did Ori 2
and Anthem
Original Xbox games coming is a nice feature
The design and size of the Xbox one X is really nice
I'm excited about Player Unknown
Minecraft cross play and servers will be huge in my household
Cons:
I really expected an Elite controller to be packed in at the $499 or at least a new game
I've seen way too much of Shadow or War
No big new AAA exclusive
Closing the show off with a multiplatform game that was announced 24 hours prior, just seemed strange to me and left me with a 'is that it?' feeling at the end
it was solid for gamers as a whole. and I'm happy with the show. But i expected more and feel slightly let down.
Pros:
Metro looked incredible
As did Ori 2
and Anthem
Original Xbox games coming is a nice feature
The design and size of the Xbox one X is really nice
I'm excited about Player Unknown
Minecraft cross play and servers will be huge in my household
Cons:
I really expected an Elite controller to be packed in at the $499 or at least a new game
I've seen way too much of Shadow or War
No big new AAA exclusive
Closing the show off with a multiplatform game that was announced 24 hours prior, just seemed strange to me and left me with a 'is that it?' feeling at the end
it was solid for gamers as a whole. and I'm happy with the show. But i expected more and feel slightly let down.
yukianderson
Member
They spend all this time talking about the world's most powerful console. They even had people wearing the shirts that said I witnessed the world's most powerful console. To then show a bunch of indies that some guy keep saying exclusive but I'll be able to play on PS4 at a later date. We been promised for years that they made a billion dollar investments in firts party and every year we end up disappointed and say well maybe next year they will show them. MS truly learn nothing from the past mistakes. They be lucky to sell a million Xbox one X by 2018.
Hawk269
Member
My biggest fear is regards to being able to watch the conference was if Mixer would be able to handle the 4k/HDR feed and it delivered. Very impressed with the quality of the stream and was shocked it was in HDR also. Some of the games looked downright impressive in 4k.
Okami Haundo
Member
Came back here quick to say holy shit Anthem blew my mind. I'm finding it really hard to be excited for Destiny 2 now when I know I'll be able to play as space Iron Man a year later. I will take all of that game please.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I think Microsofts conference missed the point a bit.
They have been hyping up Scorpio and its superior horsepower for months now.
E3 would have been the time to show games which show of a substantial visual jump over what we've seen in recent months.
Just repeating the "true 4k" slogan again and again won't convince people if what they see in the trailers looks pretty much the same as what we are already used to.
They had 2 hours to show something to justify the 499.
The hardware in the box surely is worth it, but specs don't convince many people.
Microsoft needed at least one exclusive AAA visual showcase, something like Anthem, but fully exclusive.
They have been hyping up Scorpio and its superior horsepower for months now.
E3 would have been the time to show games which show of a substantial visual jump over what we've seen in recent months.
Just repeating the "true 4k" slogan again and again won't convince people if what they see in the trailers looks pretty much the same as what we are already used to.
They had 2 hours to show something to justify the 499.
The hardware in the box surely is worth it, but specs don't convince many people.
Microsoft needed at least one exclusive AAA visual showcase, something like Anthem, but fully exclusive.
I love the short announcement to release schedule. Gears 5 would be holiday 2019 halo 6 is most definitely holiday 2018. I imagine their e3 will start to just paint the road map up until the next e3 going forward now.
I've never been happier for trading in my Xbox One for a PS4 in early 2015. Nothing against Microsoft, I really want to see every company thrive and be successful but my favorite games are on PlayStation. I wish I had the money to have all three consoles but for now I have to set for only one.
With that said, I think Microsoft needed a really big exclusive game at this conference. Something to make me (a PlayStation owner) want an Xbox console. Every year I watch expecting this to happen. To this day, the one exclusive game I really wish I could play is Sunset Overdrive, it looks so good.
With that said, I think Microsoft needed a really big exclusive game at this conference. Something to make me (a PlayStation owner) want an Xbox console. Every year I watch expecting this to happen. To this day, the one exclusive game I really wish I could play is Sunset Overdrive, it looks so good.
Doug Heffernan
Member
The free games showing up on my account 1 hour later was a nice touch but it didn't make up for the mediocre show I was conned into watching.
outunderthestars
Banned
Bummed there was no sign of Below.
Yep. Was awesome.
Razzmatazzer
Member
Conference was definitely a letdown imo. I was really hoping for a big surprise or two. Not that some of the 3rd party stuff wasn't incredible (Anthem, holy shit) but multi-platform games aren't what i was looking for. I was really hoping for some exclusive surprises, stuff we didn't know about and didn't expect.
The one game I was anticipating, Crackdown, didn't even have a good showing. After all this time I just assumed we'd see a playthrough or maybe a multiplayer match... not just some quick montage of footage.
The one game I was anticipating, Crackdown, didn't even have a good showing. After all this time I just assumed we'd see a playthrough or maybe a multiplayer match... not just some quick montage of footage.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
6/10
- Good format
- Anthem was impressive
- A lot of games shown
- Severe lack of new first party games, especially ones with a notable budget.
- Bad pricing
- Touting exclusive to games that are nearly all either console exclusive or timed console exclusives
Funniest thing was Phil having his Japan trip to supposedly get DBZ and Code Vein on Xbox when those games would be coming to Xbox anyway lol
- Good format
- Anthem was impressive
- A lot of games shown
- Severe lack of new first party games, especially ones with a notable budget.
- Bad pricing
- Touting exclusive to games that are nearly all either console exclusive or timed console exclusives
Funniest thing was Phil having his Japan trip to supposedly get DBZ and Code Vein on Xbox when those games would be coming to Xbox anyway lol
I never gave my 2 cents so I'll throw it in here now.
It was great to see a lot of games being shown off. That's what I want to see. I'm really excited for a lot of the titles coming up. But in saying this, there wasn't a home run moment of the show for a game. Anthem looked cool but I kinda know already how it's going to play looking at Destiny and The Division. In addition to being well over a year away it's hard to get too excited now. 1st party stuff is obviously a concern and it's not getting better.
With this, XB1 X isn't a big need for me at the moment. I wanted it to be a Day 1 thing after the show. I'm just not getting the push I wanted to see to want to get it right away. My OG XB1 will continue to ride it out with me through this holiday it seems.
Conference overall was fine but not great. Want to see them redo the stage for next years. Focus on games was good. Need that home run moment though.
It was great to see a lot of games being shown off. That's what I want to see. I'm really excited for a lot of the titles coming up. But in saying this, there wasn't a home run moment of the show for a game. Anthem looked cool but I kinda know already how it's going to play looking at Destiny and The Division. In addition to being well over a year away it's hard to get too excited now. 1st party stuff is obviously a concern and it's not getting better.
With this, XB1 X isn't a big need for me at the moment. I wanted it to be a Day 1 thing after the show. I'm just not getting the push I wanted to see to want to get it right away. My OG XB1 will continue to ride it out with me through this holiday it seems.
Conference overall was fine but not great. Want to see them redo the stage for next years. Focus on games was good. Need that home run moment though.
JetBlackPanda
Member
This was a pretty rough conference. I was ready to get a Xbox One X if they had a couple first party or exclusives. Instead Sea of Thieves was pretty much the only thing I would like to play but even that looked a little weird in the demo they showed.
I don't know I don't really want to be negative but I did not enjoy the show at all.
I hated the (EXCLUSIVE) voice over only to be met with a (console launch exclusive) in the fine print.
I feel like they didn't really do much to sell people on the power advantage of the X.
weird year for E3 all around.
I don't know I don't really want to be negative but I did not enjoy the show at all.
I hated the (EXCLUSIVE) voice over only to be met with a (console launch exclusive) in the fine print.
I feel like they didn't really do much to sell people on the power advantage of the X.
weird year for E3 all around.
bubaglobalj
Member
I am not sure why people are applauding that there will be X amount of Xbox Exclusives. Exclusives are a bad thing for gamers...
yukianderson
Member
You can't show games that don't exist.
This was honestly the first Xbox E3 press conference I was disappointed in in a long time...
They seemed like they had a lot of momentum going into the pricing of the XOneX... And then "$499" escapes Phil's lips and that was it.
It's just not a competitive price given their opponent's install base lead and with no MUST HAVE IP on display... They didn't sell the $499 price tag. They could have with an experience that won't run on PS4 Pro... But they didn't.
Coming out of this press conference I really feel like I just witnessed the last Xbox that will ever be unveiled...
Do I want an XOneX?
Sure.
All of my 3rd party releases have been on the Microsoft platform since the X360...
But do I think they're going to make another generation of consoles after this?
Quite frankly... I don't know.
They made a pretty box with lots of power, but they don't seem to be spending the capital needed to give it the software backing it deserves.
Will wait and see if FFVII Remake gets an XOneX enhanced version I guess...
They seemed like they had a lot of momentum going into the pricing of the XOneX... And then "$499" escapes Phil's lips and that was it.
It's just not a competitive price given their opponent's install base lead and with no MUST HAVE IP on display... They didn't sell the $499 price tag. They could have with an experience that won't run on PS4 Pro... But they didn't.
Coming out of this press conference I really feel like I just witnessed the last Xbox that will ever be unveiled...
Do I want an XOneX?
Sure.
All of my 3rd party releases have been on the Microsoft platform since the X360...
But do I think they're going to make another generation of consoles after this?
Quite frankly... I don't know.
They made a pretty box with lots of power, but they don't seem to be spending the capital needed to give it the software backing it deserves.
Will wait and see if FFVII Remake gets an XOneX enhanced version I guess...
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