Bomber Bob
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Is Incest illegal in europe?
Kidnapping?so if it's no incenst and legal age, then what exactly is the legal issue that warrants this manhunt?
In germany only first degree. So direct lineage and siblings are illegal, everything else is fairplay.Is Incest illegal in europe?
Is Incest illegal in europe?
In germany only first degree. So direct lineage and siblings are illegal, everything else is fairplay.
I don't really see the problem either. People sure are quick to judge.
I don't really see the problem either. People sure are quick to judge.
Oh, that kind of uncle? It's not incest then, they can legally have sex at this point, as icky as it is.She is the daughter of his brother in law, so no blood relation, wouldn't call it incest. Morally still another thing.
14 is not the age of consent per se in Germany, it is if both participants are in a similar age spectrum, e.g. 14 and 15 or 16 and 17. As soon as you're 18, sex with persons under 18 can be punishable by law.
so if it's no incenst and legal age, then what exactly is the legal issue that warrants this manhunt?
14 is the age of consent in germany.
incest.
Seriously?
The fuck....
What's the reasoning for not having a blanket ban? Because there's less chance of genetic issues if it's a niece and uncle compared to a brother and sister or mother and son?
Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo, the advisory committee said in a statement released Wednesday. The fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination is to be weighed more heavily than the abstract idea of protection of the family.
[...] it is believed that incest carries a higher risk of resulting in children with genetic abnormalities.
But the Ethics Council dismissed that argument, on the basis that other genetically affected couples are not banned from having children.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-fundamental-right-German-committee-says.html
It's pretty shady.
Pretty much forbidden in France but apparently you can marry your cousins for example.
wait a second.
They've been having a "relationship" for 18 months, so i take it he hasn't kidnapped her, she wilfully ran away with him, is that correct?
doesn't make any of it less wrong on his side, as she's a minor and not his daughter, but that's the "entire" crime, right?
exactly my thoughts. Consent doesn't make any of this less illegal or wrong, just wondering if we're talking about an actual abduction here or just a really really sick case of lolita-incest-"love".
apparently no blood relation though...
I think this vigilant witch hunt is way more disgusting and dangerous than two people presumably just fucking.
There is a reason why we have laws (and law enforcement). So unless the german police or interpol decide to look for them on a larger scale, I don't see why anyone should care really.
Just look at this thread, most people would probably shoot the guy on sight without even knowing anything about the situation. Unjustifiable bloodlust thanks to an exaggerated sense for their own version of justice. What is this? the 1600s?
Them having sex before she was 14 is an assumption at this point if I understand it right...
Seriously? That's messed up.
We can't choose who we fall in love with.
So what you're trying to tell me is you think it's cool for a 46 year old man to have sex with a 12 year old. Is that correct? Because this started 18 months ago. I just want to be clear here. Even in the country you're from that shit would be illegal.
12-13 isn't okay just like 14 isn't okay. Fuck arbitrary limits, it's a fucking number.Dude they have been in a relationship for 18 months so they started when she was 12/13. That aint okay
Well they are looking for her, so that helps.strange in the US her photo would not be released would it?
Oh I didn't know that. Seems kind of low, as I doubt a 14 year old girl has the maturity to handle a relationship with a man in his 40's. But even so, that age gap is disgusting to me. Not because of the amount of years, but because of the age itself.14 is the age of consent in germany, the incest might be a bigger concern at the moment, I assume that's why they're talking about two fugitives and not a kidnapping or rape.
What part of having a 18 month relationship with a 14 year old is it you don't get?
Well to be fair we don't know yet whether he had sex with her or not. And apparently they're not blood related.
Still though. 47 to 14... wow.
They should get rid of it (the ban) alltogether.
Oh I didn't know that. Seems kind of low, as I doubt a 14 year old girl has the maturity to handle a relationship with a man in his 40's. But even so, that age gap is disgusting to me. Not because of the amount of years, but because of the age itself.
Exactly. This is absolutely disgusting, I hope he's caught as soon as possible.Let me get this straight.
Girl is of age, Uncle is 47 years old but not blood related
Legally her Uncle however
Relationship reportedly going on for 18 months (so she wouldn't have been of age)
No clue on whether or not they had sex before she was of age
Dude is married and runs away with her
Carrying a weapon
So...
Morally wrong things he definitely did:
Cheating on his wife
Runs away with his brother-in-law's child (who must be married to his sibling)
Morally wrong things he might have done:
Started a relationship with a minor (12 y/o)
Illegal things he did:
Run away with a minor (without permission)
Illegal things he is reported to have done:
Posession of a firearm
Started a relationship with a minor (12 y/o)
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Oh COME ON why is there an incest defense force on GAF? =(
Oh COME ON why is there an incest defense force on GAF? =(
EDIT: I didn't understand the German law at first so I had to edit
Is Incest illegal in europe?
I don't know if I agree.
It's definitely a hard one, but I feel knowingly having a child that will suffer from severe genetic abnormalities that will greatly affect its ability to live somewhat fulfilling and normal life is something that does need to be banned.
It's a tough one for sure though.
A. She's underage (legal in Germany but still)
B. It's incest (which I'm pretty sure is illegal over there)
Usually? I would have imagined that non-consensual incest via molestation or rape by a parent/relative was more common.Because incest is usually between consenting adults and thus a victimless crime as long as they have no children. Why should it be forbidden by law?
If this has been going for 18 months then she was below the age of consent when this started. It's a crime then.
The fact that he's her uncle just makes things more fucked up.
I don't really see the problem either. People sure are quick to judge.
I wonder if this guy looks at himself in the mirror in the morning and thinks "Yup, I'm a monster".
Urgh. Scumbag.
Let me get this straight.
Girl is of age, Uncle is 47 years old but not blood related
Legally her Uncle however
Relationship reportedly going on for 18 months (so she wouldn't have been of age)
She is not of age of consent (14) due to him being over 18
Dude is married and runs away with her
Carrying a weapon
So...
Morally wrong things he definitely did:
Cheating on his wife
Runs away with his brother-in-law's child (who must be married to his sibling)
Morally wrong things he might have done:
Started a sexual relationship with a minor
Kidnapping
Illegal things he did:
Run away with a minor (without permission)
Started a sexual relationship with a minor
Illegal things he is reported to have done:
Posession of a firearm
Kidnapping
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Oh COME ON why is there an incest defense force on GAF? =(
EDIT: I didn't understand the German law at first so I had to edit