Have you seriously ever read /v/? Because they are that bad. Sure some or even most of it is just trolling but some of the comments there are genuine for sure. The whole board for the most part is just a misogynistic cesspool of stupidity.
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A harassment campaign against Zoë Quinn, the developer behind Depression Quest
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Have you seriously ever read /v/? Because they are that bad. Sure some or even most of it is just trolling but some of the comments there are genuine for sure. The whole board for the most part is just a misogynistic cesspool of stupidity.
Great way to blame the victim, people.
If your mothers went to a shitty part of town and some guy pulled down their pants and started jerking it next to her while calling her a "dumb slut", I'd totally blame her for it.
Great logic, people.
I'm glad women in the industry are speaking out about how shitty and frustrating it is. It opens my eyes when they would otherwise be closed shut. She's not looking for apologies, she's just looking for people to understand her frustrations and not look the other way.
I know it's too much to ask of the internet at large, but is that too much to ask from people that read and comment on GAF?
This on all levels.
The fact that people can be so blasé about this sort of treatment and accept it as the norm is almost just as damaging as the harassment itself.
wow lol you are truly in no position to be calling anyone a dumbass right now
...why'd she set her private information to public? Basic common sense tells you not to have private information out there. I know for a fact if anyone pulled that shit on me, due to my military rank they'd be federally charged.
If you get offended by an image board there's more things you need to worry about.
I'm sure most of us here have been to 4chan.
For starters, even the "good" parts of 4chan are still full of homophobic and racist slurs.
Have you ever read /v/? I mean, have you? Because painting the whole thing as just a misogynistic cesspool really makes it sound like you don't.
However, none of that actually matters here because this didn't come from /v/. Hell from the looks of it it didn't come from 4chan at all, rather one of the spinoff chans like 7chan or 420chan, where they still regularly encourage shit like this.
m00t doesn't let shit like this fly on 4chan anymore. Give him some credit.
So let me get this straight. If someone did this to you, they would be charged. Because it would be a crime.
But it happened to her. And she's not military. so it's just "being offended".
That military training must be real handy for the hole you're digging yourself here.
It's good to know the US armed forces are staffed with sympathetic people who don't blame victims.
AcademicSaucer
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I cant even express in english what I feel about this situation, is really fucked up ,
Like someone said above, /v/ is basically what NeoGAF would be if it had anonymity. I don't think this community would seem so pristine if it was nameless and we didn't have powerful moderation. There are just as many "enthusiasts" who go there as there are here.
I haven't gone to /v/ in a while because they spoil game plots two weeks before a game comes out, and I dislike their weird bitterness towards certain members of the GB crew as well as anyone who doesn't have a penis (and that's coming from someone who doesn't care at all about social justice), but I don't see a tremendous difference between here and there outside of moderation and no anonymity. This results in people acting less rude, not pulling off raids, and not spoiling games openly too often, but I wonder what would happen if we didn't have a username and moderation...
I haven't gone to /v/ in a while because they spoil game plots two weeks before a game comes out, and I dislike their weird bitterness towards certain members of the GB crew as well as anyone who doesn't have a penis (and that's coming from someone who doesn't care at all about social justice), but I don't see a tremendous difference between here and there outside of moderation and no anonymity. This results in people acting less rude, not pulling off raids, and not spoiling games openly too often, but I wonder what would happen if we didn't have a username and moderation...
Having someone personally call to sexually harass you over the phone is just "being offended" of course.
If you want to call people dumb asses maybe you could at least read the OP link.
mugurumakensei
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This wasn't 4chan by the way. It was wizardchan going by the pictures.
Hexa
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No. It really isn't. Not at all. When's the last time you've read /v/?
meltingparappa
Member
Yeah, what a dumb fucking slut for wanting to make it through the day without someone jacking off into her phone.
They probably didn't get her number from a phonebook, but any whore who has their number listed deserves it.
But it's ok, because if someone does it to you they'd be federally charged. But if they do it to her, she needs to worry about bigger things, right?
Maybe i was being a bit hyperbolic but you can't deny that stuff like this ain't happening on a regular basis on /v/
Did she 'set her private information to public' as you suggest? I'm not aware of how her phone number was uncovered, but as you pointed out, it doesn't really matter -- it isn't acceptable. Even if you yourself set private information to be public, as you've pointed out, it's still not okay or legal to be harassed like this. It's not so much about the fact that there are disgusting posts somewhere on the internet.. but the fact that there are people actually calling her and spouting the same crap. She's using the posts as an easy reference to show examples of what she is dealing with -- the posts themselves aren't the real problem here.
TheBaronOfNA
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Feel for her. Depression Quest is genuily touching for me.
Yes, but a number of posters seem to be implying that she went on 4chan herself, which is what attracted the attackers.
Flachmatuch
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This is a disgusting post indicative of the normal dregs that post on /v/.
I don't deny that at all. But given the very, very large amount of traffic /v/ (and 4chan in general) receives, the "regular basis" is still just a tiny subset of the overall community.
It's still horrible and I can't argue that it needs to stop.
Just a heads up I have a degree, DLPT'ed in 2 Middle Eastern languages, and work in intel. I'm no where near the Enlisted side.
She's a fucking indie game developer, not a celebrity. How would you like it if someone pulled your gamertag or PSN name from GAF (hypothetically, I have no idea whether you have either here), called you up, and started leaving messages of themselves jerking off?
That'd be publicly given information too.
Wait, you have military rank so it'd be considered a crime for you. This "slut" though? Then it's worth nothing. Apparently she's just dumb for having a twitter account and not being the military.
Red Mage
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Occassionally I think to myself, meh, 4Chan probably isn't as bad as I think it is, and then I read something like this, and all is right with the world again.
The article never said she went to 4Chan. That's just the origination of the "raid." You know, like when they pull that crap on those facebook pages/websites dedicated to deceased loved ones or tries to take down gawker when they bring up the fact that they're harassing an 11-year old girl. (I know that wasn't the whole site, just /b/, yadda yadda yadda. That's how you can have pedophiles and To-Catch-A-Predator-Wannabes on the same site.)
Anyhow, I feel bad for her having to deal with these scumbags. One thing I don't understand from her posts, however, is this line:
Er... aren't games a meritocracy, in a way? If a game is good and/or interesting, it usually (but not always) becomes popular. If it's crap, not so much. I know there are exceptions to the rule, but I don't get what she's complaining about here.
The article never said she went to 4Chan. That's just the origination of the "raid." You know, like when they pull that crap on those facebook pages/websites dedicated to deceased loved ones or tries to take down gawker when they bring up the fact that they're harassing an 11-year old girl. (I know that wasn't the whole site, just /b/, yadda yadda yadda. That's how you can have pedophiles and To-Catch-A-Predator-Wannabes on the same site.)
Anyhow, I feel bad for her having to deal with these scumbags. One thing I don't understand from her posts, however, is this line:
Er... aren't games a meritocracy, in a way? If a game is good and/or interesting, it usually (but not always) becomes popular. If it's crap, not so much. I know there are exceptions to the rule, but I don't get what she's complaining about here.
Palette Swap
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Victim blaming post that starts with calling her a dumbass. That's got to be a new standard in crass posting.
Then stop fucking acting like it butterbar.
Unfortunately the anonymous nature of the site guarantees that it's probably never going to stop but at least reducing it would be something.
I think, and I may be wrong, that she means 'making games'. Making games shouldn't be a meritocracy where good and interesting games are derided because the creator is new to the industry or, heaven forbid, a woman making a game for the first time.
I could be wrong about her intention with that tweet. Otherwise yes, the actual games themselves should be judged based on the merit of playing the games.
People are assuming it's 4chan because of the board layout in her twitter screenshot.
I just clicked on a Walking Dead topic on the first page in /v/
About two thirds of the posts in there would get you permabanned on gaf.
I just clicked on a Walking Dead topic on the first page in /v/
About two thirds of the posts in there would get you permabanned on gaf.
Because NeoGAF loves to hate on /v/, they feel like it gives them some kind of moral high ground or something.
There isn't even a walking dead thread on /v/ at the moment unless it literally just got pruned.
meltingparappa
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That's how I interpreted it too. That (ignoring the financial side), no group should dictate who can and cannot make an artistic expression for whatever arbitrary reason.
So some people on /b apparently don't like that woman made a startlingly accurate educational game about a medical condition and put it up on greenlight? Tough.
I just loaded up /v/ for shits and giggles and hey, there is a picture of a man shitting on a baby.
Yep.
Red Mage
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Ah, okay, that makes sense. I think she should've chosen a better term, though:
First definition of Bing Dictionary (Don't hate, work hates google for some reason):
1.system based on ability: a social system that gives opportunities and advantages to people on the basis of their ability rather than, e.g. their wealth or seniority.
Hence my confusion. xD
It's probably awful for me to say so, but I sort of hope your CO's see these posts somehow, or perhaps some of the crap you obviously post on /v/.
If only the military gave classes on how to formulate better arguments and how to not victim blame.
dragonbane
Member
Awful.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
meltingparappa
Member
Lot of "ironic" use of the f and n bombs, although that's just become part of a completely crass but RELATIVELY benign memetic lexicon, compared to the intention behind the way those words are thrown around on a white supremacist site.
Who cares where it came from? Those posts may have been from elsewhere, but I literally just grabbed these from /v/. They're just as bad, people are fucking awful and there's no reason to defend the aggressors.
Fun fact, contrary to popular belief, /v/ has rules.
When something like that gets posted, it gets reported, and then a janitor/mod deletes it.
People post shit like that all the time to Facebook/Reddit to see what they can get away with. It doesn't mean everyone on Facebook has a baby shitting fetish.
I'd say they're mixed in with the other kind of usage thanks to /pol/ giving the crazies a foothold on the site.
Japanmanx3
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OP needs to be editted to note this or else the thread will continue to go downhill (might be to far gone as is)...
The very fact that you made your claim, and then I was able to go literally 2 minutes later and find that on the front page means that it is infested.
Or just a one in a million coinkidink, huh?
Citing 4chan (or some board on the web which has known elements or screwed up people like these)..seriously? I think people should just stop taking it up to their nostrils and restrain themselves from being part of above boards/forums/etc.
As for the phone calls*.. <- that down right harassment (complain and kick their butts in the jail?)
Edit: People should just avoid taking part in such circumstances, only attracts more flak. I am not saying not defend yourself, I am saying defend where there are people around one/you; who have sense (logic, understanding, etc).
As for the phone calls*.. <- that down right harassment (complain and kick their butts in the jail?)
Edit: People should just avoid taking part in such circumstances, only attracts more flak. I am not saying not defend yourself, I am saying defend where there are people around one/you; who have sense (logic, understanding, etc).
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