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A harassment campaign against Zoë Quinn, the developer behind Depression Quest
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Architechnophile
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People trying to partition this incident--"Oh, that's not 4chan." or "Of course, it's 4chan."--are missing the point.
This kind of harassment is a persistent issue that happens all over the games industry: on boards, in comment sections, in blog posts, tweets, on Facebook, at bars, over the phone, and in convention halls. It's not something to be dismissed as a couple of rude people in some foreign corner of the internet.
It's a terrible problem, and waving it away allows it to continue.
This kind of harassment is a persistent issue that happens all over the games industry: on boards, in comment sections, in blog posts, tweets, on Facebook, at bars, over the phone, and in convention halls. It's not something to be dismissed as a couple of rude people in some foreign corner of the internet.
It's a terrible problem, and waving it away allows it to continue.
What do you propose to do?
Exactly. It's not quite moving the goalposts when the goalposts are everywhere.
True. *nods*
my girlfriend has depression, a SO, some friends, and a job
assholes on the internet who self-diagnose and harass people for daring to be female and speak out on mental illness issues have no excuse
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I feel like it's the other way around. If you can't stand those imbeciles you have proof that you are still human inside.
Fuck this shit man, I hope this game gets greenlit even though I don't really care about it
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
She is very literally a victim. Of a crime.
she got a phone call from someone who jacked off at her and was harassed on twitter
try again asshole
First thing is support new developers making interesting games regardless of their sexual identity.
Second, if you go to /v/ or /b/ or have ever playfully participated in a conversation that would not be out of place on either of those boards, then stop. Stop justifying it by saying it's not all bad, or by saying that you used the word 'bitch cunt' as a joke. Have discussions like an adult who's not afraid of the changing face of game development.
If you already do those two things, then you're golden. You've done your part.
plutoknight
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This is all well and true, but it seems the overwhelming majority of the hate spewed by the gaming community is towards women, even if it's not-specifically targeted toward one female or another. "That's just the misogynist culture of gaming" (or, "That's just the Internet") is a horrible answer, and lends this complacency toward our hobby that paints us in a very bad light AND simultaneously traps us in this tunnel vision of objectification and harassment towards people who aren't "us." (we reinforce the system, yadda yadda)
Unfortunately, the Internet is the world's fastest hate tool, and the last respite for ideas attacked in the 'real world.'
I don't think being called and bombarded with the sounds of one pleasuring themselves can go hand in hand with the "victim" card.
Surely you can find better examples of people playing the victim card. This isn't one of them.
And the post above me nails it.
meltingparappa
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Internet vigilantism (for whatever reason) is truly all over the place. As awful an example as this is, it doesn't compare to the Boston bomber witch hunt, or when Spike Lee tweeted the wrong address of George Zimmerman. If you really somehow believed in mob justice, you could give parts of /b/ credit for going after dozens of perpetrators of animal abuse.
I wonder if people wouldn't have immediately taken to shitting on 4chan if goodwill ambassador MOPP didn't come in swinging.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
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It wasn't 4chan. Apparently it was some depression board.
VibratingDonkey
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The place where these dregs choose to hang out isn't the problem, it's the dregs. I'm sure 4chan would be a lovely place without them.
If you don't like this reputation then stop your shitty people from being shitty. He shouldn't take it personally. Unless he is one of the aforementioned dregs.
If the worst a 4chan person has to say about NeoGAF is that we're whiteknighting, then hey, that's kind of a compliment. Thank you.
It's weird to me that this guy appears bothered by his hangout being wrongfully accused of despicable acts when it's been linked to plenty such previously, which is why the notion wasn't challenged in the first place. Most were just "abhorrent behavior from 4chan? makes sense."
(Durrrr, wrong again.)
If you don't like this reputation then stop your shitty people from being shitty. He shouldn't take it personally. Unless he is one of the aforementioned dregs.
If the worst a 4chan person has to say about NeoGAF is that we're whiteknighting, then hey, that's kind of a compliment. Thank you.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
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moondoggerr
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I am in two minds reading the responses on this thread.
The first mind is incredibly depressed at seeing the knee-jerk victim blaming and mind-boggling insensitivity.
The second mind is relieved that it seems the majority of posters have a heart, some common sense, and are somewhat decent people.
I wish this woman nothing but the best.
The first mind is incredibly depressed at seeing the knee-jerk victim blaming and mind-boggling insensitivity.
The second mind is relieved that it seems the majority of posters have a heart, some common sense, and are somewhat decent people.
I wish this woman nothing but the best.
First of all, calm down with the insults, I didn't insult you, learn how to discuss with others. Second, her proof in those tweets is 4chan trolling which is the prevalent form of "communication" in 4chan. The phone call is indeed disgusting if true but not something uncommon when 4chan finds out someone's phone number. This has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with 4chan being assholes.
Green Card
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All of which many of these people don't have. There is no denying that these people are sexist or hateful but starting with "You are a mid-twenties human being. You have a significant other named Alex who you are rather fond of, that you have been seeing exclusively for the past few months. The rest of your social circle consists of a variety of friends and acquaintances, some of whom you met at your day job which is a little boring, but pays the rent." would make them hate the game regardless of the gender of who made it. I'd imagine the hate was intensified because the creator was a women though.
You think this is wild, you should visit the off topic forum sometimes.
Well yes it is expected from 4chan, but the harassment originated from wizchan.
Of course, that didn't stop /v/ from calling her an attention whore and a cunt.
dapperbandit
Banned
I remember when that game first came out /v/ liked it.
I'm aware the caps on her twitter aren't from 4chan, just thought I'd point it out.
Although the whole site has a hateboner for the tiniest hint of feminism now that knowing it was made by a woman has discredited it.
I'm aware the caps on her twitter aren't from 4chan, just thought I'd point it out.
Although the whole site has a hateboner for the tiniest hint of feminism now that knowing it was made by a woman has discredited it.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
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Mobius and pet octopus
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She isn't exactly responding well but it is understandable. I am not certain it is precisely because she is a woman which she makes it out to be. I am certain other devs, even males, get harassed over the internet including with death threats etc. Definitely isn't an issue that should be easily brushed aside, but the day bullying is dealt with entirely - I'll be shocked.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
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Mods the people in here aren't reading the thread. Just lock it already.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Oh, well that makes it all better. It's just what 4chan does. Calm down everybody, nothing to see here.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
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I think the person who isn't reading the thread...is you.
VibratingDonkey
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jim-jam bongs
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Two things: saying "she can just go out and get laid and have all her problems solved" is basically admitting that your biggest problem personally is an inability find someone drunk and/or stupid enough to fuck you; saying "don't go to 4chan if you don't like it lol" is a bullshit response which is the same as saying someone walking down the street at night deserved to be mugged because it was dark and the neighbourhood was sketchy.
And had someone wank off into her phone.
CHICKS AMIRITE
And had someone wank off into her phone.
CHICKS AMIRITE
SteveWinwood
Member
have you
Red Mage
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I cannot speak for anyone else, but I don't think there's a hivemind on 4Chan. This site has some awful people, any site does. But none of those other sites are full of pedophiles, miscreants, etc. which are tolerated in any form or fashion. It'd be like posting on Storm Front. You may not share those views, but they're prevalent enough, imo, that you taint yourself by association.
EventHorizon
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Why are you playing the blame the victim card over obviously negative and stupid comments made against her?
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
I have a long term intimate relationship and a very happy life in general. I still suffer from depression.
Treating depression like it's caused solely by factors in your life and not the condition itself is one of the worst mistakes a depressed person can make and hinders discussion of the subject in general.
And a woman is no less qualified to talk about depression than a man (not that you're saying this, but the perpetrators are).
I've been reading the thread and from what I can read it seems people have jumped on the good old "let's hate 4chan" bandwagon. There's something with the internet that if anything has anything to do with any chan of any kind doing something, the blame gets put straight onto 4chan for pretty much 0 reason. Yes, you have people who were calling her an attention whore on /v/ more than likely but It'd be strange if someone wasn't called an attention whore on /v/ regardless of whatever sex they are.
meltingparappa
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It's hard to talk about this specific type of harassment without:
1) saying "oh it's 4chan, it's just what they do, ignore it / she brought it on herself"
2) blaming 4chan for stuff they didn't do, or at worst, stuff a handful of assholes do whom just happen to post on 4chan.
I hope the main takeaway of this thread is that people know about the game. It's really fantastic
Hah, I should have written my post better to make certain that I don't think there's a 4chan hivemind, just like there's no gaf hivemind. Going from the cosplay board to the science and math one is about as different as to two communities can get, but they're still both under the '4chan' banner.
I'm not a victim of any kind of harassment on the web (the worst I've got is a few nasty PMs here on NeoGAF) but I can imagine that given enough harassment over time it's inevitable that someone will eventually respond badly to it. She's just blowing off steam in a public way, which is necessary sometimes.
Responding badly to harassment is Phil Fish. :lol
Of course I do number one, but...I am never alllowed to use 4chan again? That seems a bit unreasonable, or what do you mean?
Look, Adam Sessler, Phil Fish, Patrick Klepeck, Marcus Beer, Boogie2988, Peter Molyneux, Robert Florence, Jim Sterling, Geoff Keighly, Don Mattrick, Bobby Kotick, those Call Of Duty community managers, etc. etc. I could go on for ages, are not women. Yet they still get a lot of hate and abuse.
So what unites most of these guys with the women that you say are so often the target of harassment? I assume you mean Anita Sarkeesian, Jennifer Hepler, that MN9 CM and now this case.
They are all doing things that people dislike alot, in many cases they are openly engaging in controversial conversations in a rather aggressive and or judgemental fashion. It should come as no suprise, that on the internet, where every anonymous frustrated man or woman can say anything without repercussions, that results in a very agressive mob.
The overall frustration and annoyance in the gaming community will not recede, if we ignore that not only women get treated like shit, because if we always have a gender discussion during every single incident like this that involves women, it further seperates female and male video game enthusiasts.
I certainly feel that I become weary and suspicious of feminists do and say and I hate myself for that. I really hate it, believe me.
I just want everyone to be nice and treated equal. =(
Edit: I hope I don't come across as if I was of the opinion those people deserv what they get. They don't, even if I wish some would be a bit more friendly or do some things differently. Situations like this are horrible and wrong, wether you made a stupid comment or mean business decision or not.
Hey, I'm just tellin' ya how I feel. I wish I didn't feel this way because it definitely belittles people like yourself who actually suffer from real depression, but I kinda do, and so do those loser folk on 4chan or whatever chan the posts are from.
Is there a version of the game where the person is like a really big loser and nothing good happens to them at all? Like, no gf, no friends, no parties, no people showing interest in them at all, nothing? That's the type of game I'd like. I want more characters in video games or film or tv like that.
Red Mage
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No. I wasn't even going to post until he started up with his crap.
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