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A New Graphical Benchmark - The Order 1886
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The Shogun
Banned
Oh yeah, in terms of console games I'd agree that Order is likely unmatched in 2015 in terms of "Wow" factor. I didn't think the UC4 gameplay looked near as nice as The Order, even though in some ways its more impressive because of the larger environments, full native 1080p resolution, etc.
In terms of texture work and materials I don't see anything on PS4 / Xbox touching it this year though yeah.
Yeah, they would have to be upscaled because it is not true 1080. The black bars serve no purpose other than shrinking the screen and making it so there is less to render.
I think we should wait until E3 to see if Uncharted 4 will match The Order in visual fidelity. That PSX demo still has a way to go to match The Order in terms of IQ, lighting and shading but ND still has 8 months to go. At release date, I think Uncharted 4 will match The Order in most areas but get bested in some areas.
Rising_Hei
Member
I don't think ND can match it since Uncharted 4 will have more of a open nature to its gameplay...
I do think it will have WOW moments that The Order can only dream of, tho (i still remember very specific moments from U2 and U3 that would amaze anyone)
I do think it will have WOW moments that The Order can only dream of, tho (i still remember very specific moments from U2 and U3 that would amaze anyone)
Yeah, ND targeting 60 FPS doesn't really help either. But if a smaller, more inexperienced studio can pull something like this off, I think ND should at least be able to match it. Like I said, only time will tell.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Fewer pixels to render, but a wider view which can mean more things in the horizontal view.
Jawbreaker
Member
Hah, too transparent.
Insane Metal
Member
It does look very good, but all in all I still think Ryse looks better, especially the characters. Also, I think the game is very repetitive, I'm glad I didn't pre order it.
No, its the same amount of horizontal pixels. Why is this so hard for you all to grasp?
Native 1080p (1920x1080)
1920 horizontal pixels
1080 vertical pixels
The Order (1920x800)
1920 horizontal pixels
800 vertical pixels
The remaining 280 vertical pixels are black bars, which render nothing. 1920x800 is about 25% less total pixels than Native 1080p. It is actually much closer to 1600x900 than it is to native 1080p
Well, you didn't play The Order. Also, i tried today Ryse on PC on high settings. The Order is technically better than Ryse in any possible way IMO.
You really refuse to accept that black bars are part of the The Order's 1080p image and game is NOT upscaled.
The Order (1920x1080 in 21:9 aspect ratio)
1920 horizontal pixels
800 vertical pixels
280 inactive pixels ( EDIT: FIXED )
Fixed for you!
1920x1080 is a 16:9 aspect ratio
1920x800 is a 2.4:1 aspect ratio
I never said it was upscaled. I said it is not native 1080p, which it is not. You're the one not accepting the facts. It also has 280 (not 240) "inactive pixels" aka nothing but a waste of screen real estate.
Insane Metal
Member
Yes I did. On a Panny VT42. As I did with Ryse on XBone.
Nope, you're the one not accepting the facts! Write properly than :
The Order (1920x1080 in 21:9 aspect ratio)
1920 horizontal pixels
800 vertical pixels
280 inactive pixels ( i was wrong for 40p, my bad )
Resolution in that aspect ratio DOESN'T EXIST!!! This EXIST : 1920x1080 in 21:9 aspect ratio
Show me where I said it was upscaled
Edit: 2.4:1 and 21:9 are the same aspect ratios, just written differently (21/9 = 2.4 and 9/9 = 1)
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
This chatter over the black bars and resolution is so sorry lol. It's such a worthless debate too. Really sucks that Hollywood has been cheating me out of 1080p with all these Blu-Ray movies.
You never said it was. But you sound like it is.
IAmRandom31
Banned
All this talk about PC is forgetting the simple fact that you have to brute force games to up the IQ with insane resolutions and AA methods to create those crisp / clean images. Something that takes a solid $1000 PC with a 500+$ GPU.
This is being rendered by a $400 console with the power of a mid-level PC ( or really low-mid level now )
So its pretty impressive to say the least.
This is being rendered by a $400 console with the power of a mid-level PC ( or really low-mid level now )
So its pretty impressive to say the least.
Sounds like you made logic leap on that one.
son of a Sven
Banned
Yeah I can't believe it took this long for someone to mention the graphics /sarcasm
Yep, I see The Order as native 1080p with bars, just like a Blu Ray. The image you are seeing is 1:1 pixel mapped, with no up-scaling. Those are all the qualities of a native image that I care about. I can get past non-rendered black bars pretty easy anyway, they don't bother me during gameplay. I play 480p Dreamcast games pillar boxed and stop noticing those as well. I can understand people wanting their whole display filled, but that just wasn't the choice the developers went with. They easily could have had a full 1080p image if they wanted to, they simply didn't want to compromise on the 4x MSAA. The bars do attribute to the filmic look too, which had to be intentional.
It also has really low FOV like The Evil Within right? I'm sure that also helps.
Looks great though, like when you look at things through a magnifying glass.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
On anything. There's nothing really in that realistic style that looks better.
joecanada
Member
I don't know about the order but for example in destiny which is often lauded only for gameplay, the ai will literally just stand there if you are too far away.
I'd like to see an example of a current video game with so called great ai
It's all very similar I can tell you now. And don't bother with a " in this one section of X game, the enemies... " every game has been glitched or cheated and has multiple YouTube videos showing ai doing nothing
Yes, i know.
LOL this is an insane discussion.
If they remove the black and for whatever reason keep 800p in rendering resolution they would have to scale. But if they remove the black-bars and rendered it in 1080p they would not need to scale (you would only see more). Is this a really hard concept to grasp?
On-topic (per se); This is (one of) the best looking games I have seen, that is attributed to excellent models, animation, post-processing and attention to detail.
son of a Sven
Banned
Because of the amount of cut-scenes?
Jawbreaker
Member
I meant the user; they don't even try to hide it. I've seen their posts before.
Yes, and i thought of it!
Mr. PlayStation
Member
On my second play through, can't get enough of how stunning the game looks. The Order is your first reason to buy a gaming projector and play it on THE Big screen >=70"!
Thought of what?
If they up'ed it to 1080p and removed the blackbars they would not have to scale (which is the point DPoole is trying to make). You would see as much in the width and more in height.
Buy your logic a 640x320 game on a 1080p display is 1080p, as long it has black bars around it. Native pixel representation does not equal the game being the display's native resolution.
But I am out, this is between you and DPool
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
If they did that, they'd likely lower the FOV to make it about as narrow as usual in 3rd person games. I could be wrong, but I think FOV in TO is a bit wider than typical, which makes it so that you can see about the same vertically as you normally would in 16:9 games, but you get to see more to the sides. Or it's some middle ground. I'm pretty sure they didn't just cut off the top and the bottom of the typical 3rd person FOV, like they did in the Evil Within.
pixelation
Member
I agree, if they know of any game on any system that looks better then i wanna see the receipts...
pixelation
Member
I disagree... however everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
hendersonhank
Member
By your logic, half or more of the bluray movie discs released aren't 1080p. What are they? How can your display report 1080p if no upscaling is taking place? Are you aware that bluray specification does not allow resolutions of 1920 x anything other than 1080? And yet there are all those movies from Lawrence of Arabia to Lord of the Rings to Guardians of the Galaxy....
When and more importantly HOW did so many people decide that "resolution" is dependent on the color of the pixels being displayed and black pixels don't count?
A lot of you sure seem mightily confused by the difference between resolution and aspect ratio.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Of course it's the same pixels being rendered. When I said "things" I was referring to objects in the environment. A wider aspect ratio means more of it will be in view horizontally.
But, yeah, you're obviously right about the resolution. 1600x900 is 69.4% of 1080p, whereas 1920x800 is around 74.1%.
His point is that it has to fill less of the screen each frame and thus there are performance gains compared to a fully filled 1920x1080 16:9 screen.
Dictator93
Member
That is only if you have a lower FOV by default at normal 1080p. No reason to not increase or maintain a higher horizontal FOV. Having the aspect ratio of the order does not necessarily mean more horizontal world objects being in view.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Please tell that to console devs and their notoriously narrow FOVs in so many games.
pixelation
Member
1886 Gameplay Reveal 1 year before release
U4 Gameplay Reveal (possibly) 1 year before release
UC4 doesn't look that good in that gif, RAD has set the bar way to high i'm afraid...
Dictator93
Member
I wish.
If you add per object motion blur and actually have a competently frame paced gif, the two would look surprisingly similar actually.
UC4 never looked that impressive to me. The reveal footage looked just ok
pixelation
Member
Well hopefully they implement those things.
What?, not even at the Playstation event back in May?... it did look mighty good to me back then.
Box quote of the century
The Order 1886
"The game looks like titties in my face"
You, sir, are a poet.
Of course according to RaD, the black bars are for 'artistic direction'. They're not going to say we included black bars because the PS4 could not render our game in 1080p, would they? They have to defend their decision to include black bars in a positive light or else, that would bring negative attention. If you think RaD wanted black bars than you're being naive. The reality is they had to include black bars because they could not render the game with their effects in full 1080p without sacrifices.
Oh lawd.
All Xbox One games should have black bars so they're 1080p.
Video games that are classified 1080p do not have 280 inactive pixels. This is totally disingenuous.