I thought you were talking about Ps4 games, but anyway.. Star Citizen sure looks stunning, though it doesn't strike me as CG-like as the Order does, even though it surely is technically more advanced (even just for polycount).
Yeah, they would have to be upscaled because it is not true 1080. The black bars serve no purpose other than shrinking the screen and making it so there is less to render.Sorry, but it is! Black bars ARE part of the image. Like it or not! Remove black bars, pixels will be upscaled. So, they are part of the image.
I think we should wait until E3 to see if Uncharted 4 will match The Order in visual fidelity. That PSX demo still has a way to go to match The Order in terms of IQ, lighting and shading but ND still has 8 months to go. At release date, I think Uncharted 4 will match The Order in most areas but get bested in some areas.Oh yeah, in terms of console games I'd agree that Order is likely unmatched in 2015 in terms of "Wow" factor. I didn't think the UC4 gameplay looked near as nice as The Order, even though in some ways its more impressive because of the larger environments, full native 1080p resolution, etc.
In terms of texture work and materials I don't see anything on PS4 / Xbox touching it this year though yeah.
Yeah, ND targeting 60 FPS doesn't really help either. But if a smaller, more inexperienced studio can pull something like this off, I think ND should at least be able to match it. Like I said, only time will tell.I don't think ND can match it since Uncharted 4 will have more of a open nature to its gameplay...
I do think it will have WOW moments that The Order can only dream of, tho (i still remember very specific moments from U2 and U3 that would amaze anyone)
Yeah, they would have to be upscaled because it is not true 1080. The black bars serve no purpose other than shrinking the screen and making it so there is less to render.
I know I'm late but why bother coming into PS4 threads when you dont even own one (and I doubt you consider buying one, taking into account your post history) ?
- You came in a lot of The Order threads just to basically say its a shitty game (and yet you say that « Ryse is so much better than the the mediocre reviews it got »).
- You came in MLB: The Show threads to say its gameplay and presentation are lame, not good and that the games are not fun. (funny, considering its one of the most highly-praised sport franchise)
- You came in a lot of Racing threads to downplay Driveclub. Heres one of your fine citation: « But if you are looking for pure racing, Forza 5 is going to be a million times better than Driveclub. »
- You came in DualShock4 threads clamoring about those crumbling sticks and how it lights up dark rooms. Id understand if you owned one and had these issues, but nah
- You claimed that Microsoft's biggest mistake was locking up Titanfall because it would have showed how bad PSN is compared to Live.
- Etc
I mean, why do you even feel the need to come into these threads? I just don't understand.
And Im not even getting into some of your claims about how you think rain has no place in sim-racing games because in real life « theres no races when it rains », or that « 4 player split screen is not fun, so thanks 343i for not giving us the option. »
Fewer pixels to render, but a wider view which can mean more things in the horizontal view.
It does look very good, but all in all I still think Ryse looks better, especially the characters. Also, I think the game is very repetitive, I'm glad I didn't pre order it.
No, its the same amount of horizontal pixels. Why is this so hard for you all to grasp?
Native 1080p (1920x1080)
1920 horizontal pixels
1080 vertical pixels
The Order (1920x800)
1920 horizontal pixels
800 vertical pixels
The remaining 280 vertical pixels are black bars, which render nothing. 1920x800 is about 25% less total pixels than Native 1080p. It is actually much closer to 1600x900 than it is to native 1080p
1920x1080 is a 16:9 aspect ratioWell, you didn't play The Order. Also, i tried today Ryse on PC on high settings. The Order is technically better than Ryse in any possible way IMO.
You really refuse to accept that black bars are part of the The Order's 1080p image and game is NOT upscaled.
The Order (1920x1080 in 21:9 aspect ratio)
1920 horizontal pixels
800 vertical pixels
240 inactive pixels
Fixed for you!
Well, you didn't play The Order. Also, i tried today Ryse on PC on high settings. The Order is technically better than Ryse in any possible way IMO.
I never said it was upscaled. I said it is not native 1080p, which it is not. You're the one not accepting the facts
1920x800 is a 2.4:1 aspect ratio
Nope, you're the one not accepting the facts! Write properly than :
The Order (1920x1080 in 21:9 aspect ratio)
1920 horizontal pixels
800 vertical pixels
280 inactive pixels ( i was wrong for 40p, my bad )
Resolution in that aspect ratio DOESN'T EXIST!!! This EXIST : (1920x1080 in 21:9 aspect ratio)
Show me where I said it was upscaled
You never said it was. But you sound like it is.
Yeah I can't believe it took this long for someone to mention the graphics /sarcasmWhile we have talked at great length about The Orders failings one of its greatest successes is the visuals.
This chatter over the black bars and resolution is so sorry lol. It's such a worthless debate too. Really sucks that Hollywood has been cheating me out of 1080p with all these Blu-Ray movies.
Yeah, they would have to be upscaled because it is not true 1080. The black bars serve no purpose other than shrinking the screen and making it so there is less to render.
On anything. There's nothing really in that realistic style that looks better.On consoles? Certainly. Really great looking game besides the stuff with the missing reflections.
If the pixels are not rendering anything then they do not count in the display image
Most of those are glitches. The Order's AI working as intended is bad.
Edit: 2.4:1 and 21:9 are the same aspect ratios, just written differently (21/9 = 2.4 and 9/9 = 1)
Sorry, but it is! Black bars ARE part of the image. Like it or not! Remove black bars, pixels will be upscaled. So, they are part of the image.
Because of the amount of cut-scenes?Movies in 2.39:1 are considered 1080p on Blu-ray because of pixel density. I don't consider The Order any different.
Yeah, I could have been more subtle, but he kinda forced my hand.
LOL this is an insane discussion.
If they remove the black and for whatever reason keep 800p in rendering resolution they would have to scale.
Yes, and i thought of it!
If they did that, they'd likely lower the FOV to make it about as narrow as usual in 3rd person games. I could be wrong, but I think FOV in TO is a bit wider than typical, which makes it so that you can see about the same vertically as you normally would in 16:9 games, but you get to see more to the sides. Or it's some middle ground. I'm pretty sure they didn't just cut off the top and the bottom of the typical 3rd person FOV, like they did in the Evil Within.Thought of what?
If they up'ed it to 1080p and removed the blackbars they would not have to scale (which is the point DPoole is trying to make). You would see as much in the width and more in height.
On anything. There's nothing really in that realistic style that looks better.
The Order looks great up close and in the interior details, but I still think Unity on console is more impressive. Based on graphics alone, I'd say Ryse on PC is the best I've seen.
It is not native 1080p. Native 1080 is 1920x1080 which is a 16:9 aspect ratio. Due to the black bars, it changes the aspect ratio to some whack ass ratio that no TV in existance uses, so what is being displayed on screen is only 1920x800. By your logic, a dev could make the res 1920x100 and you'd have a skinny line of actual picture, and you'd still consider that full 1080p, even though only 19200 pixels being rendered
No, its the same amount of horizontal pixels. Why is this so hard for you all to grasp?
Native 1080p (1920x1080)
1920 horizontal pixels
1080 vertical pixels
The Order (1920x800)
1920 horizontal pixels
800 vertical pixels
The remaining 280 vertical pixels are black bars, which render nothing. 1920x800 is about 25% less total pixels than Native 1080p. It is actually much closer to 1600x900 than it is to native 1080p
By your logic, half or more of the bluray movie discs released aren't 1080p. What are they? How can your display report 1080p if no upscaling is taking place? Are you aware that bluray specification does not allow resolutions of 1920 x anything other than 1080? And yet there are all those movies from Lawrence of Arabia to Lord of the Rings to Guardians of the Galaxy....
When and more importantly HOW did so many people decide that "resolution" is dependent on the color of the pixels being displayed and black pixels don't count?
A lot of you sure seem mightily confused by the difference between resolution and aspect ratio.
Of course it's the same pixels being rendered. When I said "things" I was referring to objects in the environment. A wider aspect ratio means more of it will be in view horizontally.
No reason to not increase or maintain a higher horizontal FOV.
1886 Gameplay Reveal 1 year before release
U4 Gameplay Reveal (possibly) 1 year before release
Please tell that to console devs and their notoriously narrow FOVs in so many games.
If you add per object motion blur and actually have a competently frame paced gif, the two would look surprisingly similar actually.UC4 doesn't look that good in that gif, RAD has set the bar way to high i'm afraid...
UC4 doesn't look that good in that gif, RAD has set the bar way to high i'm afraid...
I wish.
If you add per object motion blur and actually have a competently frame paced gif, the two would look surprisingly similar actually.
UC4 never looked that impressive to me. The reveal footage looked just ok
I haven't played enough of it yet. Only the first chapter or so. The game looks like titties in in my face. Really impressive stuff. PEACE.
Plus, the developers have said multiple times that they could've gone for full-screen 1080p easily, but they chose 21:9 + much wider FoV, sticking with the artistic direction in place since before the order was actually a thing. Then they realized they could also fit 4x msaa on it. The more, the better.
You really refuse to accept that black bars are part of the The Order's 1080p image and game is NOT upscaled