But then they wouldn't be able to say: "we have made over 40 improvements on our new controller".
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Battlefield 4 - Xbox One Impressions + Bonus XB1 Controller Impressions & Vid
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But then they wouldn't be able to say: "we have made over 40 improvements on our new controller".
George Claw M.D.
Member
He must have attended the Leadbetter & Penello school of thought.
I think that's a slightly misleading figure, insofar as it seems to imply that MS spent that amount developing the impulse triggers and modified elements of the next-Gen iteration.
I read somewhere that they did a bunch of development of crazy controller tech, including introducing smells into the controller. Most likely they spent a large portion of that money experimenting with wild ideas about what might be The Next Big Thing in controller tech over the past eight years, eventually deciding that none of them were really viable (aside from the impulse triggers) and just decided upon a lightly modified version of the 360 controller.
I'd like to know too, it seems hard to tackle since it took DICE 399 days to fix input lag on the PS3 version of BF3.
But one who can use the word exaggerate rather than hyperbole. That's what matters.
dragonbane
Member
Here are all the XB1 controller impressions I could find from the gamescom thread:
I was a little bit disappointed from the Xbox One controller and loved the Dualshock 4 controller from the first touch. That comes from a so called Xbox Fanboy. I preordered both console's and will keep it that way but the Ds4 feels ace. The Xbox One Controller has bad lb rb buttons and the analog sticks are to loose like the DS3 ones. But I liked the Ryse Coop Gameplay it looked ace and was fun. The first game on the Xbox One was Lococycle.
Microsoft has a uphill battle compared to Sony with their controller. The 360 controller was universally praised where the DS3 was mixed bag for many. I am guessing the impressions of the XB1 will be more negative compared to the DS4 because of the predecessors people will be comparing them to.
A friend of mine who went to the Eurogamer Expo had exactly the same complaints about the Xbox One's controller. He's a huge fan of the 360 and the 360 pad as well which I found strange. His biggest complaints about the new pad were also the bumpers and triggers.
combination of both it had noticeable lag and at that time most LCD had horrible lag.specially with any mode.plus the gif is like 5 frames per second
that input lag looks like a textbook example of a TV that isn't set to 'game mode' (which makes a night and day difference for anyone who's seen it).
the fact that this is the only instance where we've seen this and not in other video reviews strongly point to the kiosk setup being wrong, not the X1 or the X1 version of BF4 itself.
the fact that this is the only instance where we've seen this and not in other video reviews strongly point to the kiosk setup being wrong, not the X1 or the X1 version of BF4 itself.
Laughing_Man__
Neo Member
Ive seen a few other videos talking about BF4. This seems like a poor set up or something wrong with the TV. One guy even said the game looks amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zvcfHHtIWf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zvcfHHtIWf0
Darkwaknight
Banned
Hmmm me thinks hyperbole ahoy in th OP.
That tv was setup wrong for sure, probably an LG with cinema mode on...
Dat drama!
That tv was setup wrong for sure, probably an LG with cinema mode on...
Dat drama!
Risk Breaker
Member
Well, I personally think it is worse. And I'm not the only person I know who thinks so as well, whereas DS4 feedback has always been positive, in varying amounts.
Just my 2 cents as someone who has extensively tried both.
the_mane_6
Neo Member
like how uncharted 3 was what uncharted 2 shoulda been, but that's just my opinion.
Where are all of you reading these impressions all i have read is that it is not as good as the 360.
WeAreStarStuff
Member
Hmmm, I think I've seen more negative than positive impressions about the new controller.
Wishmaster92
Member
What the fuck? Damn pc build. Why do developers keep doing this.
I haven't played BF4, so I can't comment on that, but I have used both a PS4 and Xbox One controller, and I think there's some hyperbole there. But then opinions are assholes; everyone's got one!
To be honest, in my view, I felt both the PS4 and Xbox One pad were better than the 360 pad, which is generally considered the best pad of the current gen. But even if you're a DS3 fan, I think both controllers are better than that too. There is definitely a marked improvement on the older generation.
Sticks on the Xbox One controller felt a little looser than on 360, so maybe that's where the dislike stems from. I could go with that, but personally I thought it was okay. Then again, I am not a competitive FPS player, so I don't know if it hits the standards that players at that level expect. Personally, I just feel that for the single player and co-op games I like to play, it was fine. However, I do agree that the bumpers on the Xbox One pad are not good; the only part of the controller that is a downgrade on the 360 pad. Depending on the games you play, I think it could be a dealbreaker on that controller. For me, no.
But if you want a general PS4 vs Xbox One pad comparison, the PS4 pad wins. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the DS4 whatsoever. The symmetrical sticks, I feel, are no longer an issue given the size of the controller. Face buttons are less mushy due to the lack of pressure sensitive buttons, and the same goes for the d-pad (which while not as clicky as the Vita's d-pad, feels firm rather than slightly mushy like it was on the DS3). L1 and R1 are fine, as you'd expect, while the triggers are a significant improvement over the ones on the DS3. Sticks had more heft to them compared to the DS3, which felt loose and rather flimsy. That's the best way to describe it. I just generally preferred playing with it compared to any other dual stick controller I've ever used.
TL;DR: I find it hard to hate on either, but PS4 has the better controller this time around.
To be honest, in my view, I felt both the PS4 and Xbox One pad were better than the 360 pad, which is generally considered the best pad of the current gen. But even if you're a DS3 fan, I think both controllers are better than that too. There is definitely a marked improvement on the older generation.
Sticks on the Xbox One controller felt a little looser than on 360, so maybe that's where the dislike stems from. I could go with that, but personally I thought it was okay. Then again, I am not a competitive FPS player, so I don't know if it hits the standards that players at that level expect. Personally, I just feel that for the single player and co-op games I like to play, it was fine. However, I do agree that the bumpers on the Xbox One pad are not good; the only part of the controller that is a downgrade on the 360 pad. Depending on the games you play, I think it could be a dealbreaker on that controller. For me, no.
But if you want a general PS4 vs Xbox One pad comparison, the PS4 pad wins. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the DS4 whatsoever. The symmetrical sticks, I feel, are no longer an issue given the size of the controller. Face buttons are less mushy due to the lack of pressure sensitive buttons, and the same goes for the d-pad (which while not as clicky as the Vita's d-pad, feels firm rather than slightly mushy like it was on the DS3). L1 and R1 are fine, as you'd expect, while the triggers are a significant improvement over the ones on the DS3. Sticks had more heft to them compared to the DS3, which felt loose and rather flimsy. That's the best way to describe it. I just generally preferred playing with it compared to any other dual stick controller I've ever used.
TL;DR: I find it hard to hate on either, but PS4 has the better controller this time around.
fluffydelusions
Member
Didn't DICE admit that was PC later after that photo showed up with the monster PC underneath the table?
This is first time i have heard anything negative about it. you always have to take all opinions close to launch with a grain of salt.
Phoenix Fang
Banned
Yeah, because one person automatically make it a horrible controller. I played with the DS4 at Euro and I still find it a piece of shit but that doesn't mean my opinion of it suddenly debunk everyone who loves it.
Laughing_Man__
Neo Member
Looks like a crappy TV or someone change the TV mode
The most consistent complaint concerning the Xbone controller I've been reading is over the bumpers/triggers, and the video in the OP seems to nicely highlight why that might be. The rest of his gripes sound like things that might just be a matter of getting used to, though of course that remains to be seen.
Really, the most bewildering thing about it is that it's all coming off the back of the 360 controller, which was generally agreed to be perfection in console controllers aside from the god-awful D-pad. They could've just dealt with that and called it a day, satisfied with a controller that would be guaranteed to be hailed. Maybe they could go above and beyond the call by making the battery pack flush with the back on the controller and fixing whatever issue a few folks have with the bumpers (personally I quite like them, but then I like dualshock controllers as well so apparently I'm just crazy), but that'd just be bonus points. That they spent so much money to make changes that are really questionable in their necessity is what makes the whole situation confusing in why it's even come about in the first place.
rudieboy77
Member
With three weeks to go this game looks like trash on the 360 and plays as bad because you can't see anyone in the sea of brown and brown fog.
Windom Earle
Member
Probably, but the performance of the beta is kinda shitty on PC at the moment.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
I saw your Dualshock 4 vs Xbox One pad video. Can you give me some more impressions on how the Dualshock 4 feels in the hands. Does it feel small like the Dualshock 3 or does it feel more full and fitting like the Xbox 360 controller?
You haven't been paying attention then. Hell, even several journalists made the same complaints, and that was well before gamers and laymen got their hands on it.
I'm sure it'll be an awesome controller, but I doubt it'll be as good as the 360's. We'll see I guess.
The funny thing is Microsoft added things that 360 gamers disliked about the DS3, that is looser and slightly taller sticks, plus spongier triggers that are now wider and closer to the bumpers.
simplythebest
Banned
And now we got racist emblems already appearing in Battlefield 4. How classy. -_-
Ol No Bones
Banned
Controller changes take a little time to het used to for me unless the previous was really bad. I'm sure the ds4 will be a breath of fresh air compared to ds3. The xb1 might take a little getting used too because I am so fond of the 369 controller. I actually did not like the 360 controller initially because I was so used to the Xbox controller and it felt different but that changed a couple weeks later. I think a lot of the critisisms are just things to get used too after a while. I could be wrong but nothing changed so much to warrant some of the comments but then again I am ignorant and have never touched the Xb1 controller.
93xfan
Banned
day one patches and all that... Can't wait to get this game on the PS4 and forget the horrible PS3 beta ever existed.
ethomaz
Banned
I found that in Xbone Tour thread... interesting read too from a guy that loved the controller at first time.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=84590453&postcount=41
Heavenly Sword was a laggy as hell game, but the gif is slowed down exaggerating the severity of the lag.
No way, the controller is actually shittier than the Xbox 360? That's the one thing that had me going for their console along with TitanFall.
Fuck Microsoft, why ruin a good thing. The Xbox 360 controller was a godsend. Just use the same exact shape, use better material for the sticks and buttons and just make a better dpad.
Fuck Microsoft, why ruin a good thing. The Xbox 360 controller was a godsend. Just use the same exact shape, use better material for the sticks and buttons and just make a better dpad.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
No one played BF4 on ps4?? Can we get some impressions from that
I think there was PS4 BF4 at Gamescom and PAX but only the XO version playable at Eurogamer.
blurredvision
Member
I remember that one thread where a site posted that the DS4 was crap and everybody defended it by saying everybody else thinks it's great. None of that going on with the X1 controller even though it's the exact same situation.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
What were the impressions of the PS4 version?
93xfan
Banned
Titanfall is only a timed exclusive. I personally don't mind waiting for Titanfall, since I'll have Destiny coming out in the Spring.
Anyway, the analog sticks not having add much range is worrying. I personally use FPS Freak's analog stick extenders, so I was hoping the might negate my need for that by making longer sticks.
Totally different actually. It's sitting well in your hands like - ironically - very improved DS3. Not that somehow bulky but very solid feeling of X360, but just smoothly. Even the symmetrical sticks (I hated them all the time straight from 1998) are not felt that bad - you just don't pay attention to that fact anymore.
Uhh no... persecution complex much?
First, lots of people already said the triggers/analog sticks on the X1 controller are worse than on the 360 controller (see dragonbane's post).
Second, there are actually lots of these reactions you just described in this thread.
fluffydelusions
Member
I thought it's just the beta in spring?