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so it seems the answer is "No", at least on neogaf.
There is a backlash against jokes that rely on racist, sexist and homophobic punchlines because more and more people are being outspoken about no longer accepting casual racism, sexism and homophobia. And that's a good thing.
The premise isn't on free speech grounds, though. It's on faux outrage.
sit back and take what, though?
they ARE just whining. no one is stopping them from telling jokes
they're upset because some people are criticizing their jokes
what is there to "take"? no one is arresting them
i mean..i didnt say the movie shouldn't exist. i just disagreed with the point they're trying to make
edit: and you know, i really don't feel bad that a bunch of (subjectively) unfunny comedians are getting criticized for shitty jokes that punch down at minorities or whatever they're upset about
I'd also just like to point out that, regardless of your political views on the topic, this is a pretty shoddily-made trailer. I'm not even convinced this will be a competently made look on the topic.
If you'd have watched the trailer, there's several instances noted of comedians getting arrested, physically attacked, and publicly harassed by people 'outraged' at their jokes.
The film isn't about stereotypical criticism of comedy. It's about how severe, focused and organized that criticism has become in the internet/outrage culture age. There's a huge difference between people getting offended by the content of your jokes - and people getting so offended they run up on stage and punch you in the face, call the police, or call you "Black Hitler". The movie clearly appears to be focusing on the latter - which is definitely a problem that's grown significantly worse in the past 10 or so years.
"just a joke" is 100% of what stand up comedians do on stage.
Not Understanding That Freedom of Speech Doesn't Mean Freedom From Criticism: The Movie
well if its is a joke with no bad intentions than thats fine,i didnt realize this was mostly about stand up comedy until after i made the comment
My issue with this sentiment is that it often comes across as comically hypocritical a demonstrates a complete lack of self-awareness. The crux of the issue is that "people are just too damn sensitive these days!" And in whining about that, it carries with it the same sort of oversensitivity that you're decrying the opposition of being guilty of. If the issue really is something where some namby pampy Social Justice Warrior is getting outraged for the umpteenth time and making a mountain out of a molehill, maybe the most productive thing to do is to simply ignore it and move on and focus on appealing to your fans instead of throwing fuel on the fire and creating a bigger divide?
My issue with this sentiment is that it often comes across as comically hypocritical a demonstrates a complete lack of self-awareness. The crux of the issue is that "people are just too damn sensitive these days!" And in whining about that, it carries with it the same sort of oversensitivity that you're decrying the opposition of being guilty of. If the issue really is something where some namby pampy Social Justice Warrior is getting outraged for the umpteenth time and making a mountain out of a molehill, maybe the most productive thing to do is to simply ignore it and move on and focus on appealing to your fans instead of throwing fuel on the fire and creating a bigger divide?
"I'm mad that they are mad" is truly delicious irony of the modern age
That's not really the impression I got. It seems more like a response to the outrage culture where every mole hill gets turned into a mountain.
That being said, I have a hard time backing anything with Adam Carolla
so it seems the answer is "No", at least on neogaf.
It's harder to ignore if your career is being affected by the nonstop outrage machine. People lose their jobs for dumb jokes on Twitter. Comedians are apologizing for jokes constantly, when it's their job to make stupid jokes that might cause offense.If the issue really is something where some namby pampy Social Justice Warrior is getting outraged for the umpteenth time and making a mountain out of a molehill, maybe the most productive thing to do is to simply ignore it and move on and focus on appealing to your fans instead of throwing fuel on the fire and creating a bigger divide?
Looks good, glad to see good ol' Jimmy Norton in it.
Nice to see some NeoGaf posters reacting predictably.
I kinda agree, plus it needed much wider breath of comedians such as Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Jerry Seinfeld, Louis CK, Bill Burr, Dave Chappelle, Aries Spears, etc...
and when those detractors are attacking the comedians or lobbying venues to cancel shows, then what?
no, i get that. and maybe being ignorant here is gonna make me look stupid. but are instanced of people attacking comedians, because of a joke seriously, all that common? or has it happened a few times? i wouldnt be surprised if they used the footage of the only times it's ever happened in this trailer
Criticism also isn't free from criticism.
I've been subjected to Adam Carolla for decades. I'm not flying blind here.
so it seems the answer is "No", at least on neogaf.
Attacking them how? Have these lobbying efforts been successful? Have any venues expressed disappointment that a show that would have otherwise sold well and been profitable and generated solid revenue for both the club and the performer have had to be canceled for no other reason than placating an angry mob? I'm not unwilling to hear counterpoints here, but I'm interested in specific examples of this happening.
Right. There are a ton of comedians who do good work, have large followings, and don't receive the same kind of backlash that folks like Carolla do. Yet, none of them are featured here.
"I'm mad that they are mad" is truly delicious irony of the modern age
Criticism without self-awareness or tact doesn't hold much weight. Screaming "faux outrage" is as ignorant as you can get.
I'm not familiar with him outside of the Man Show where he just basically the guy Kimmel used to fill dead air. Has he had some big controversies with his standup?
It's harder to ignore if your career is being affected by the nonstop outrage machine. People lose their jobs for dumb jokes on Twitter. Comedians are apologizing for jokes constantly, when it's their job to make stupid jokes that might cause offense.
The saying is 'take a joke' so they should learn to do that.What is the solution then? Should the people who do have greviences towards these "jokes" just shut up and not say anything? Seems a bit hypocritical then.
Did you watch the trailer? I thought it was at least required to watch the video in the OP before responding around here.
The saying is 'take a joke' so they should learn to do that.
Right. There are a ton of comedians who do good work, have large followings, and don't receive the same kind of backlash that folks like Carolla do. Yet, none of them are featured here.
how is losing jobs because people are offended by your jokes any different than losing jobs because you're not funny?
people dont find the jokes funny. in this case its because they find them offensive
you're a comedian. if there's not a big enough audience for your shitty fucking jokes, that sucks for you doesn't it?
I do not mind humor that is light hearted and funny. However, if the joke is based on a negative connotation then yes it is an issue.There is a backlash against jokes that rely on racist, sexist and homophobic punchlines because more and more people are being outspoken about no longer accepting casual racism, sexism and homophobia. And that's a good thing.
I will give them Penn, but he is more a magician than a comedian.Hahaha!
"Notable"
Hahaha!
My issue with this sentiment is that it often comes across as comically hypocritical and demonstrates a complete lack of self-awareness. The crux of the issue is that "people are just too damn sensitive these days!" And in whining about that, it carries with it the same sort of oversensitivity that you're decrying the opposition of being guilty of. If the issue really is something where some namby pampy Social Justice Warrior is getting outraged for the umpteenth time and making a mountain out of a molehill, maybe the most productive thing to do is to simply ignore it and move on and focus on appealing to your fans instead of throwing fuel on the fire and creating a bigger divide?
with notables like Gilbert Gottfried, Penn Jillette, Lisa Lampanelli, and Adam Carolla
Hahaha!
"Notable"
Hahaha!
I hope an issue they bring up, and they did show a very brief screen grap of it in there, is stuff like the #CancelColbert incident and how this apparent "Outrage" culture sometimes gets it really wrong and their reactions are beginning to go from vocal criticism to being extremely hateful and threatening, if not violent as per some of their clips seem to show.