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Cinemablend calls out gaming press, accuses them of living in a Doritocracy
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shinobi602
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lol
This it what annoys me the most: The press ignore that their loyalty is the consumer and not the corporations - their purpose is to help guide the consumer in buying the best product because this entertainment is an expensive one.
The fact that they choose to ignore the price difference, the inferiority of multiplatform products and instead try and defend it proves that they don't really understand the consumer or the value of money. Still, they must have some inkling because they resort to crying on twitter when they don't get free games or consoles.
The fact that they choose to ignore the price difference, the inferiority of multiplatform products and instead try and defend it proves that they don't really understand the consumer or the value of money. Still, they must have some inkling because they resort to crying on twitter when they don't get free games or consoles.
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Simple, right? Exceedingly, I would say. If it winds up going over your head I can get my 3 year old nephew to explain, if you'd like.
That doesn't somehow invalidates this article. None of the big sites should tell it's public to not sweat about the details. That's bullshit. When comparing the hardware alone, it's obvious that there is a gap, and there is NO reason for an unbiased media outlet to downplay it.
Not only that, they would wonder how such a thing could only happen. Sony took MS offguard in a major way, and even after all these months it's hard to understand, knowing how competitive these two companies are.
Flamebaiting posting partial snippets here and there that don't really represent the position of the "press." in general, or of any press sites in particular.
What many in the "press" are doing is simply keeping a balanced stance instead of pandering to the "resolutiongate" fanboy rage.
And keeping a balanced stance until the systems are in our hands and we can see performance with our own eyes is the right thing to do, especially considering that resolution is only part of the picture, and many are focusing on the numbers a tad too much.
I'm a PC gamer, mostly, so I got the full "numbers" advantage, but even in my eyes this whole pixel/polygon counting is getting ridiculous, and people like cinemablend use it only to grab hits.
Not *overplaying* it like the average raging gaffer doesn't mean downplaying it. I don't know many outlets that did not report the news on resolution differences. Not harping on them like it was the end of the world has nothing to do with "downplaying" them.
People take gaming this seriously? Good lord....
EatinOlives
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I'd rather have this kind of "garbage flamebait reporting" than the all-flash-no-substance manure of Polygon.
Messofanego
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JoeyJungle
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What articles are they alluding to?! Who fuck is saying the XBone version of BF4 or COD is better than the PS4 article?! Because I keep seeing people making fun of dumb websites, but don't see any article reflecting these views.
The only thing I've seen close to that is Gies saying on twitter that the XBone and PS4 versions look almost identical.
It seems like all of neogaf is on a "game journo lol" circlejerk for no apparent reason.
The only thing I've seen close to that is Gies saying on twitter that the XBone and PS4 versions look almost identical.
It seems like all of neogaf is on a "game journo lol" circlejerk for no apparent reason.
SolidSnakex
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Were you around during the start of the current-gen? Because there was no amount of "balance" going on when the press was laying into Sony about all the bullshit they were pulling.
PAULINK
I microwave steaks.
I don't think it's the job of a gaming blog to sway purchasing decisions either way. They've laid out the facts, and they've laid out some decent justification, trying to give an objective standpoint in regards to the differences in resolution.
DragonSworne
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Why don't you read the article, both pages, and click the specific links to the offending articles that he provides?
Gaming 'journalism' is really no different to other product-sector journalism like cars or home entertainment - hell, even literary criticism & book/music reviews have these kinds of biases, non-declaration of prior interest (especially bad in book reviews apparently - reviewers not disclosing they are friends with the author being quite common) but the closest comparison would be automotive journalism.
The big car manufacturers frequently do 3-7 day jollies to lovely places, lay on loads of freebies & so on - but the journos who write about iffy safety, investigate supply chain issues don't get invited to those events. Same goes for gaming - freebies, early access for the 'exclusives' that gamers seem to need obsessively (seriously - is it such a big deal to wait 5 days after release for a review written by someone who has actually paid for the product?)
There is another commercial element here though. The 360 in the US/UK is by far the dominant system; it's owners read the websites, click on the ads, buy the product. No publisher wants to alienate their audience and advertisers by saying 'Yeah, the next version of your brand product isn't as good as the competitor brand you've been lording it over these last few years.' I'd be interested to see the coverage in markets where share between current gen is more even.
The second is more 'corporate'. Most gaming sites are owned by big publishers with interests beyond gaming - if they're in IT & tech related markets, MS may well be a big advertiser in other mags or sites they own.
And before anyone screams conspiracy, I've seen editorial lines and stories spiked on the back of advertisers threatening to withdraw spend as a media buyer - this stuff happens people, it's not just something Noam Chomsky makes up for fun.
The big car manufacturers frequently do 3-7 day jollies to lovely places, lay on loads of freebies & so on - but the journos who write about iffy safety, investigate supply chain issues don't get invited to those events. Same goes for gaming - freebies, early access for the 'exclusives' that gamers seem to need obsessively (seriously - is it such a big deal to wait 5 days after release for a review written by someone who has actually paid for the product?)
There is another commercial element here though. The 360 in the US/UK is by far the dominant system; it's owners read the websites, click on the ads, buy the product. No publisher wants to alienate their audience and advertisers by saying 'Yeah, the next version of your brand product isn't as good as the competitor brand you've been lording it over these last few years.' I'd be interested to see the coverage in markets where share between current gen is more even.
The second is more 'corporate'. Most gaming sites are owned by big publishers with interests beyond gaming - if they're in IT & tech related markets, MS may well be a big advertiser in other mags or sites they own.
And before anyone screams conspiracy, I've seen editorial lines and stories spiked on the back of advertisers threatening to withdraw spend as a media buyer - this stuff happens people, it's not just something Noam Chomsky makes up for fun.
and here I thought the reason you bought a console was for the games... I guess I was wrong it was for the benchmarks... this guy is a tool. If we were talking about building a PC from scratch he would have a case, but consoles purchases should be based solely on the games you want to play on them and to a slightly lesser extent the friends you play with.
seventynine
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The spineless shits of the gaming press have been a fucking letdown over this topic. I was hoping Edge or Eurogamer would step in, but alas no. I have no hope for Giant Bomb, Ars much less for IGN either.
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Okay, okay.
Where the hell does that come from? I need to know now! XD
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LOL where is this from?
JesseEwiak
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Ignoring the fact that a large part of the gaming press wasn't even working for various websites eight years ago, my response is....so? Will the multinational corporation love you more if you go out into the trenches of the Internet and get revenge from the games press for the horrors of 2005?
shinobi602
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FranXico
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Except that those snippets do represent the position of the some press sites in particular.
Strange that after pandering to multiple "resolutiongates" from 2006/2007 onwards, they suddenly decided to keep a level-headed stance now that the shoe is on the other foot. Funny how that works.
Dat balance.
Richard, is that you?
This is the illusion the press likes to maintain, but its not true. All commercial media exists as a channel for advertisers to reach their audience. This is as true of newspapers as it is gaming websites.
I used to think this too. Past two weeks have shown me this isn't the case. Quite a shame since I really want an Xbox One for Forza which looks more amazing by the day but that's hardly what anyone wants to concentrate on.
I've lost respect for just about every gaming site except, strangely, Kotaku. (and Siliconera and Gematsu, but they're both more into the niche of Japanese games than console wars)
I know, right? Who the fuck likes games enough to actually post on a gaming forum am I right? Hahaha! Nerds!
See post number 155.
Well that was how many years ago? Maybe they realized it's not that big of a deal.
SolidSnakex
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Who said anything about swaying purchasing decisions? People are simply asking for journalists to lay out the facts. And that's not happening when you see stuff like this
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/28/call-of-duty-native-1080p-on-ps4-720p-on-xbox-one
Everything about that sentence is pure bullshit.
Cerebral Assassin
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Join the dark side bro
Those Doritos look amazing.
Yeah that line was -really- out of whack.
Do they? I don't see any of these snippets being an accurate representation of the whole production of the sites they're used to represent. You don't represent tens of articles by cherry picking three lines, unless you're trying to be disingenuous for hits, and that's exactly what this article is doing.
But again, it's one of the most trashy tabloid sites on the internet, so who's surprised. Maybe they're just mad at "the press" because no one would ever consider them press.
Some would be happy that part of the press has matured and comes with less fanboyish raging after 6 years.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
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Muchi Muchi Pink
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JoeyJungle
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Fuck, I posted an angry message without even reading the article. I didn't even realize. I'm sorry, no sarcasm. I'm part of the problem.
There's a difference someone who enjoys games and being someone who obsess with graphics and thinks that's the only aspect that's important in games.
You fall in the latter of those two groups. It would be like if I watched a movie and only cared for how it was filmed and presented. Sure, those two aspects are important, but obviously the actual content of the movie is of far more importance.
NoirVisage
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Articles dont exist for no reason. They are written to get a point across, and this point seems particularly motivated. I don't think most customers would know about the difference in pixels, yet they do understand the notion of superiority. While that doesnt neccessarily equal superior sales it deserves to be reported and not downplayed. Especially when this console is more expensive. So this lack of integrity in reporting, likely motivated by financial revenue from Microsoft, is why people are upset dude. I think you know that
semiconscious
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the 'yes, the ps4 graphics are technically superior' part is objective. it's the (seemingly obligatory) spate of 'tho i, personally, don't notice the difference, or really care' tacked-on qualifiers that veer from objectivity off into subjectivity...
how does this discredit my point? just because other establishments are guilty of this does not absolve journalism of this behavior. and yes, while this behavior can be found else where, there is still an elements of transparency, especially in regards to how articles are written (i.e. keeping writing of the article neutral and factual while offering other quotes/sources to show opposing opinion) and openly declaring their bias.
Impossiburu
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Weren't we openly blowing some of these sites this past June for shaming the shit out of Microsoft and their terrible policies surrounding the Xbox One?
Now, they're suddenly back to being the lapdogs of video game publishers and console makers?
Now, they're suddenly back to being the lapdogs of video game publishers and console makers?
it doesn't "run better" on the PS4... it has a higher resolution... but run at 60 fps and both likely have the exact same draw distances... and even if they don't friends and controller > some pixels
I don't take it to that level, but i do kinda take it serious when i have to pay $400 (plus taxes) for a console.
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