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Cinemablend calls out gaming press, accuses them of living in a Doritocracy
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Wasn't that texturing problem an issue with the map rather than the port?
haZethew0rld
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PS4 + CoD + year ps plus = $510
XB1 + CoD + XBL = $620
That's over $100 just to play the same game at a lower resolution. I think people are smarter than you think.
PAULINK
I microwave steaks.
I agree, the discrepancy between resolutions is good point to lock on, and the press are downplaying the resolution game a little bit, but is that really an indication that their pockets are lined? I don't think it's their job to tell the reader "The ps4 is the definitive version! Xbox one just pales in performance!!!" People can make those decisions their-selves.
And then with the price point comparisons, the console is weaker for sure but it comes with a bundled accessory. To me, that really makes the console around the $400 range. But I was going to buy the Kinect 2 regardless and I realize I am in the minority here.
And then with the price point comparisons, the console is weaker for sure but it comes with a bundled accessory. To me, that really makes the console around the $400 range. But I was going to buy the Kinect 2 regardless and I realize I am in the minority here.
Yes. Thank you.
Breaking it down per pixel it's crazy. Shameless re-post:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88352211&postcount=82
weekend_warrior
Banned
"Doritocracy" is a delightful word
I'd much rather live in one of those than a... wait for it...
...a Diptatorship!
Though I guess those would probably be pretty much the same thing, wouldn't they?
Nicely done.
Unknown One
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Gaming Journalists are pretty detached from the gaming consumers and perhaps are way too attached to the industry itself. It's the ad dollars that is important to their paychecks and with news being more easy to pass around there is much more competition compared to the past. The ad dollars not just keeps them running. It can be used to improve their website. Making it more user friendly and pretty. That gives them a heads up over their competition.
/end useless rant.
/end useless rant.
SolidSnakex
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So you don't think the press should be honest with their readers? If the PS4 version is the definitive version, then why exactly would you not inform your readers of that?
theprodigy
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CadetMahoney
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paying same $ for games and getting inferior performance isn't my idea of customer satisfaction. It's why I mostly played on 360.
Yeah, I think it's the job of reviewers to point out disadvantages of any version of a multiplatform game.
turnbuckle
Member
So you're telling us you know what the next 8 years are going to look like?
BTW, saying $100 isn't that much of a difference sounds kind of silly when one realizes that the PS3 launched at JUST $100 more than the Xbox 1.
I'm not saying you're making a bad investment. Just challenging you on the logic behind justifying paying more money for technically inferior hardware. To be fair, I'm not including Kinect but it's impossible to buy one without it currently.
Yup. Up until a couple of years ago I did most of my gaming on my 360. Nearly every multiplatform game I bought I opted for the 360 (or PC) version. Unless something funny happens, it'll be the other way around next gen. If I even buy an Xbox 1. If Titanfall somehow manages to be one of those game of the generation type phenomenons then I may have to reconsider, but otherwise it's a tough sell for me.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Which is why I said $100 alone isn't enough to make people prefer the PS4. Right now we're seeing the hardcore portion of the gaming community prefer the PS4, and all in all its because it is the more powerful system which had a more friendly consumer approach from the get go.
As we go on we'll see how things will turn out when the more casual gamers and the generous parents start buying systems for their kids. Xbox One had cards in its favors as well, Kinect 2. Right now the hardcore portion hates Kinect, just like it hated Kinect 1 (and still does), but maybe the casual market and family market will love the Kinect (again). At that point, when we get to the casuals who probably don't give care in the slightest about 1080p vs 720p, we'll see how much the $100 difference matters. I don't think it will. I think the general marker will see enough value in Kinect 2 to not care about spending $100 more.
Think of it likes Tablets. Ipads dominate the market (as a single unit, not Ipads vs All Androids vs All Windows Tablet.) as the unit that sell the most, and those are generally much, much, much more expensive then other tablets, even ones that have better specs than the Ipads. Consumers still line up and buy more Ipads each year over Galaxy Tabs, etc. Because consumers see value and luxury with the Ipads.
Honestly I don't get the point of this article. Seem like the man is a little salty that the Xbox One isn't getting insulted left and right, up and down by the gaming media, because of the "resolution war". It doesn't deserve to be. It really, really, is a small touch that won't matter much to the general market, which is who these articles are written for. For example, The Wii didn't deserve to be insulted left and right because it's version of Call of Duty was terrible compared to the Xbox 360's and PS3's. Its not downplaying anything, it's just not caring, because the audience really doesn't care.
I stand by everything I said but honestly I don't know too much about the tablet market and I'm just going by "what I've heard/seen." So there's a chance I'm wrong about Ipad dominating other tablets. I would research but I typed this (and my last post) all on my way to work. So I don't have time. Sorry if I'm wrong.
Both articles read like forum posts.
CassidyIzABeast
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Dude knows the shit he's writing is embarrassing. That's why he's the only one on the Cinemablend staff who doesn't have a picture of himself up on their about us page.
FranXico
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Let's be honest, though. Flamebaiting by posting facts is just too easy when the rest of the gaming press are making such a huge joke of themselves.
That's very good, but I can see it going over the head of lots of people.
Aztechnology
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This is either brilliantly sarcastic or he has no idea what the consoles costed on launch. I want to believe he just understands doritocracy.
It's a good summary of what has transpired so far across most of the major sites.
I think the comparison to graphics cards is a good one. If an AMD card beat the Titan and cost $100 less, sites would never dream of being cagey about which one to recommend.
I think the comparison to graphics cards is a good one. If an AMD card beat the Titan and cost $100 less, sites would never dream of being cagey about which one to recommend.
SolidSnakex
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People have acknowledged that the article isn't particularly good. But he does have a point with his general message. People have been picking up on that point over the past few days as more and more of the more popular sites have come out to downplay the differences between 720p and 1080p.
Prepare to be disappointed. Unfortunately , consumers are pretty stupid.
NEOPARADIGM
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I'm honestly perplexed how it's even so popular to begin with. Seems like 90% of it boils down to "some dude's opinion."
I'm not sure that negates the point he's making which is largely true, if not a bit obvious to most gamers who have been paying attention for the past few years.
If there is a right and wrong choice, would you be happier that you spent $100 more on the wrong choice?
I know there are people who do that, in fact I remember discussing it with people here who bought a Vita simply because of it. Gamers caring about those particular games you mentioned has absolutely nothing to do with my post.
MutonCommander
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While I am glad that someone finally decided to speak up against this issue, I am uncomfortable with the ease with which a lot of posters throw around allegations of bribery. Especially when in many cases they are accusing the same sites or publications that they hailed as the pinnacle of journalism just a few months ago. It's just not a healthy attitude and it seems to be going completely unchecked these last few months. Maybe the mods could lay down some new ground rules, it's strange that you can be banned for a false rumor but not by saying that a games journalist is on the take without proof.
As for the topic at hand, the press can try as much as they want to keep both sides happy but this is doing a disservice to their readers. So you'll lose a few fanboy clicks by saying openly that the XBO is weak. So what? You'll gain more from people who appreciate honesty.
As for the topic at hand, the press can try as much as they want to keep both sides happy but this is doing a disservice to their readers. So you'll lose a few fanboy clicks by saying openly that the XBO is weak. So what? You'll gain more from people who appreciate honesty.
Alx
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Yeah you're right, it's completely crazy to break it down per pixel. What next, break down per megabyte ? Are we still playing games or what ?
semiconscious
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obviously the comments of yet another deluded victim of current gen thinking. get with the program, son - yesterday's gone, & the 'parity uber alles!' future's upon us
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And how much cheaper is a decent GPU/CPU for a PC? If you're using cost per pixel as some kind of metric then every console owner ever is a gods damned moron, myself included.
We're not buying this stuff for performance alone; we're buying it for convenience, interface, secondary applications, exclusive titles...
How do I up vote this post?
Pound_lb003
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I think there's two main issues the press face at the moment.
1) Press are scared of pissing off people, because this industry's circulation of people is very fast. And while you're slagging someone off at one company, you might be asking them a favour at another company the next month.
Working by the rule: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all".
2) They try their absolute hardest to maintain balance between ALL companies because they're concerned leaning too far one direction might be misconstrued by their audience or even worse, their peers as not being impartial/professional.
For some reason impartiality is such a big issue in this industry. And when it's hammered into you, it allows most to lose sight of TANGIBLE and ACTUAL faults any company at hand has.
1) Press are scared of pissing off people, because this industry's circulation of people is very fast. And while you're slagging someone off at one company, you might be asking them a favour at another company the next month.
Working by the rule: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all".
2) They try their absolute hardest to maintain balance between ALL companies because they're concerned leaning too far one direction might be misconstrued by their audience or even worse, their peers as not being impartial/professional.
For some reason impartiality is such a big issue in this industry. And when it's hammered into you, it allows most to lose sight of TANGIBLE and ACTUAL faults any company at hand has.
pretty done
Member
This kind of behavior is like when people call out IGN and Kotaku even when they make a good point just because IGN/Kotaku. I'm not familiar with these guys' work but even a dead clock is right twice a day.
EatinOlives
Member
I agree with the article. It boggles my mind that the "journalists", who in theory are supposed to know what they're talking about, are the ones employing irrational mental gymnastics to justify objective inferiority like worse image quality for $100 more.
We're expected to drop half a grand on brand-new technology and "journalists" can't help themselves but obfuscate reality to further their agenda.
We're expected to drop half a grand on brand-new technology and "journalists" can't help themselves but obfuscate reality to further their agenda.
It's the result of the gaming press getting too comfortable with their ad paying masters, and further away from their readers.
The gaming press goes to industry events, they get advance review copies from the industry, they talk to industry folks, and they set up shop in industry areas. The gaming press is so close to the industry that they're simply an extension of the PR mechanisms of the industry itself.
When the gaming press has to pick a side, it's no surprise that they pick the side that directly pays the bills and the side that they're always talking to.
Viruz
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