DarkConfidant
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I feel like everytime I watch one of these videos, I spend the next 30 minutes trying to look up what checkerboarding is, or some other term like that.
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[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed
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Metalingus5150
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Xbox One games in 4K. What did others expect? A whole new generation?
MegaSackman
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Looks big but how much big is PS4 over Xbox One?
Actually yes, people were expecting that (I don't know why) even when Spencer stated that it won't.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm not the best mathematician, but 500MB more RAM is surely not just 6.5% of a total of 8GB the Pro has ?
The issue here is that they have established the narrative that PS4 Pro is faux 4K while Scorpio is a native 4K console. Maybe they'll deliver that with their own games, as you said, but something tells me with every "non native 4K game announcement" people will be anything but pleased. And even with native 4K, if those games don't look a lot better AND feature native 4K, this whole narrative falls apart. Which to be fair, that's also the fault of people who took their imagination of what Scorpio hardware could be and just ran with it.
"The whitepaper we've seen - dated to just after Scorpio's E3 reveal -[...]"
Well, this means that the whitepaper is quite old. But of course we also have to consider that at some point they have to finalize hardware but I also think that a lot could be changed in the meantime.
And yes, it's strange to see no mention of memory latency.
Well, this means that the whitepaper is quite old. But of course we also have to consider that at some point they have to finalize hardware but I also think that a lot could be changed in the meantime.
And yes, it's strange to see no mention of memory latency.
Proelite
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Usable ran for games it's 10% more.
Samurai G0SU
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I cant wait for the official reveal of Scorpio.
Come on yalll.... lol even the article says hold your buttocks tight.
Come on yalll.... lol even the article says hold your buttocks tight.
Filthy Casual
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Yangshouwen
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Why is nearly everybody commenting ignoring the fact that this information is 6 months old and anything can change ?
Even Frank O'Connor stated it's "Beefier" than he expected.
Even Frank O'Connor stated it's "Beefier" than he expected.
Duxxy3
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Yes, it had Gears as well. Which they still have.
What other big exclusives did they have?
PS3 had the exclusives. Xbox 360 had the network, the power and the controller.
Dark Cloud
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One good thing about this. Maybe MS feels forced to do a reveal before E3.
I doubt they care. This is meaningless. Once they unveil it and release the specs this won't matter.
CrimsonEclipse
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I am at a lost for words...seriously scratching my head over some of the comments in this thread.
Utterly disappointing
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How is this marginally better than the Pro in any way at all?? It's clearly 45% faster..
Whatever the case I'm sure it will be a real beauty when we finally get to see it. I'm picturing a black case with the same design of the One S only slightly bigger.
OminoMichelin
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It's roughly 1/16 more over regular ps4, so 6.25% more.
blue_phazon
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You forgot all the "exclusives" it had in the beginning, like BioShock, Mass Effect, etc.?
Nikodemos
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Architectures are locked in one year before release. Nobody makes fundamental changes to critical areas in the final stretch.
Broken Hope
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I'd be more worried about Microsoft's release schedule for games than the Scorpio specs, Sony appears to have them completely outmatched so far this year.
Because that is what they are hoping for. It's both obvious and hilarious.
These are the highest quality pixels that anybody has seen
Uncompressed pixels
Yeah not misleading at all. Just misinterpretation.
Stiiiiinklesss!!
Zen confirmed.
What? That's bull. If a game written for Xbox One relies on fast memory transfer from esram, there is close to no way to do that with RAM. Also what you say basically means we don't need caches. Which is of course also bull.
get2sammyb
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It would be a disaster anyway, though. Who's going to build specifically for a new-gen machine aside from first-party? There ain't no third-party ignoring the 50 million PS4s and 30 million Xbox Ones already on the market.
So, the mid-gen upgrade is the next best thing.
ethomaz
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If I'm not wrong these 512MB more RAM come from the Pro's OS having addictional 1GB DDR3... so it is not that simple.
PS4: 8GB (5.5GB for games + 2.5GB for OS)
Pro: 9GB (6GB for games + 3GB for OS)
GPU beneficies of latency to render a game is minimal... that is why GPUs have way small cache compared with CPUs... the GPU cache is most about memory allocation registers (the info where the data is in memory)... of curse GPUs are changing for compute processing and that requires more cache and latency (that is why AMD is increasing it in Vega... for Compute Processing not Gaming Processing).
Games rendering did not benefices from lower latency like it beneficies from fast speeds (big bandwidth).
You thinking it is bull doesn't make it bull... it is true.
MS SDK will make most of the issues with the lack of eSRAM imperceptible because there is enough bandwidth in RAM to not makes difference.
Wait, so when Jony Ive talks about a 'magical experience' using the latest iPad, you genuinely think the thing can cast firebolts?
For fuck's sake. What did you even expect out of the above sentences?
Both could very well just mean, 'we got games rendering at native 4K', and guess what. They will.
VincentMatts
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Head.spawn
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Well if anything other than what they actually said, including forumite labeling is what you gleaned; how does that relate to what they actually said?
They said:
-4k first party games
-all other developers are free to do whatever they want with the power and 4k is not mandatory
I don't get how people come up with these narratives they make up themselves and then argue that it's at all what was said.
It's not the monster they talked at E3 2016. It's slightly better than a PS4 Pro, and I assume Scorpio will use checkerboard rendering for 4k gaming as well.
It's surprising since MS talked about real, true 4K gaming.
It wasn't a mistake but a necessity at the time as MS always planned with 8 gb of RAM.
ultrazilla
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As a small aside, at least Nintendo will combat all this craziness with console "refreshes" and simply sell upgraded tablets, docks or supplemental computing device add ons to "bump specs" instead of expecting people to go out and buy entire new systems.
GarthVaderUK
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Facts don't matter these days, it's all about feelings. People feel that Phil Spencer lied, so it must be true.
Samurai G0SU
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They will care if IGN RYAN MCAFFREE posts about it lol
geordiemp
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Because the pro is imbalanced with a weak 2.1 Ghz Jaguar CPU. Thats what holds game performance back.
The next step for consoles is an I5 class CPU and 60 FPS gaming.
See that ? next to CPU, thats why it will be marginally better.
Shil Pencer
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Its the exact monster they described in the video 6TF
Because we all can't be console hardware developers.
Opus Angelorum
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Had this even been x3 the overall performance of the PS4 Pro some people would still be disappointed.
Duxxy3
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But it's exactly what they said it was...
longdi
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Where you get 50% ram increase from?
We do not know how much Scorpio will cost and 320gb/s of bandwidth is pushing the thermals in a box envelope.
XB1 had poor specs back then so somehow Sony got things better, cheaper and smaller, at the same time frame.
PS4 Pro = PS4 = $399, imo thats a strong price point to start at. Besides PS4 is the minimum specs. Scorpio will have to live with XB1 low fruit.
LOL
So you're going full commit?
Ever feel like you're wasting your time beating your head against a brick wall....I know that feel.
Muahahah, NO.
CrimsonEclipse
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So you've seen this thing in action I assume?
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